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Grondoth posted:I remember getting really confused when airstrikes via robots without any oversight or transparency suddenly became good, and getting upset about them was all of a sudden "weird" Did they have less oversight and transparency than piloted airstrikes?
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Phone posted:60%+ of people think that the estate tax should be fully repealed lmbo they just really love wyatt koch
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A good reminder that the markets are wildly irrational, if nothing else.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Did they have less oversight and transparency than piloted airstrikes? The risk of troop lives being lost acted as a soft check on military power, but now thanks to drones, that's all gone. If an American plane gets shot down and an American dies, it's a Big Deal, but if a drone gets shot down, some MIC contracter just got richer because they got a new order for another one.
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it there were young hillary nudes like there are young betty white nudes I'm not gonna pretend I wouldn't check them out.
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Vox Nihili posted:A good reminder that the markets are wildly irrational, if nothing else. how is it irrational for defense valuation to drop when the likelihood of war decreases?
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gradenko_2000 posted:On the one hand, "has not started any new wars" is a sort of deliberately narrow criteria. everyone forgets about John Bolton smh
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Seattle already backing down to Amazon https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/06/11/27451823/council-member-bruce-harrell-introduces-ordinance-to-repeal-head-tax
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Uncle Wemus posted:Seattle already backing down to Amazon https://twitter.com/BryanDisagrees/status/1006624196900937730
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Okay last defense of my Libby bourgeois ideals, I don't have anything else to say for myself after this. Real permanent progress (and even human continuity) regardless of economics requires the complete and utter eradication of all right wing political groups. Utterly destroyed forever.
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How you know that Trump is doing something right: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/06/12/trump-kim-handshake-peace-talks-korea-defense-stocks/693927002/
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ikanreed posted:Okay last defense of my Libby bourgeois ideals, I don't have anything else to say for myself after this. Yeah, sounds about right. Too bad that liberalism lets said groups operate freely until it's too late to stop them, though.
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Crowsbeak posted:I posted this at that "pastor" (Probably got her "degree" at a correspondence bible "college".) Got blocked. gonna steal this image
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ikanreed posted:Okay last defense of my Libby bourgeois ideals, I don't have anything else to say for myself after this. i agree but thats an extremely not liberal position
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Shear Modulus posted:i agree but thats an extremely not liberal position One could almost call it,  Tankie....
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Did they have less oversight and transparency than piloted airstrikes? the fishmech argument.
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ikanreed posted:Okay last defense of my Libby bourgeois ideals, I don't have anything else to say for myself after this. I think you'll find the left needs to be eradicated so that it stops voting for Schumer, pelosi, rahm, etc due to lesser of two evils stupidity
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i'm the people arguing it's bad we're making steps to normalize relations with north korea and demilitarize the nk/sk border because they won't hand over their nukes 
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Today I voted for the first time in a primary! Turns out I was registered as Undeclared which sounds reasonable but they let me change my party so I could vote in the primary for a party. Town office said 15 days yesterday and the website vaguely  says 21 days maybe so  I can only assume the people at the voting registration booth know this process the best since the outcome was beneficial towards my voting agencyToo bad ballotpedia doesn't have much for Maine candidates so I voted for the people who sounded the best from what I knew from local ads and the occasional search on my phone. My first choice in the Gov nominee (ranked choice voting woo!!!) was Betsy Sweet since she raised about the same amount of money as the more establishment folk while being the only one do the Maine Clean Election process for funding and she also wants M4A saying Healthcare is a right along with some other pretty sweet progressive ideas. We'll see if RCV helps her win despite not being establishment, but Maine's weird so she might be laser focused to the bernie movement that secrets itself away in plain sight in Maine so who knows. Other than District 2's house race there wasn't any other Ranked Choice options and the rest of the races were uncontested Also voted for the veto of the RCV delay. Hopefully this primary process goes smoothly to see how well it could be done in November, even if the veto doesn't win. Hard to say if it will since it's an mid-term primary rather than presidential general. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 22:38 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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ikanreed posted:Alright, I'm gonna be real awful but how about : top tax bracket of 3x what the average income in the country is and 99% tax rate in that bracket. Fund a full wellfare state Income limits dont fix the exploitative, alienating, and predatory nature of capitalism Try again
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ikanreed posted:Okay last defense of my Libby bourgeois ideals, I don't have anything else to say for myself after this. Aight you're cool. Just read a book about socialism or something
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Phi230 posted:Income limits dont fix the exploitative, alienating, and predatory nature of capitalism Hmm. We need mandatory Protestant church to make capitalism palatable ?
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Left-liberal is the morally best thing to be Left-liberal is a morally questionable ideology because it basically just accepts that there is no possible world that doesn't involve an upper class siphoning value from the labor of the rest of the population. Like, someone can plausibly believe that it's still the best of all options, but in my opinion it's far too early to just conclude that nothing possible is better. At the very least, you should strive for something beyond that, even on the off chance it turns out to not be possible. ikanreed posted:I mean kinda? The excesses of capitalism and the ultrarich are undeniable, which is a natural reason to sympathize with the left. The kind of ironic thing about opinions like this is that they're coming from a perspective of trying to be more reasonable/rational, but actually stem from a position of ignorance of the political ideologies in question. I know this because I used to basically have views identical to yours (and I think the story is the same for many others on this forum), and I was basically just acting on the knee-jerk assumption that anything beyond social democracy was somehow not "serious." Basically, the most important things to realize are the following: - Capitalism - which includes stuff like social democracy - is inherently immoral, simply because, by definition, it involves a portion of humanity freely profiting off of the labor of others. - We should naturally strive towards something better. Even if limitations might exist, humanity hasn't spent nearly enough time and effort exploring left-wing political ideologies to conclude that there's no way to make a left-wing non-capitalist system work. So even if you can't confidently say that socialism or communism would work and be better, you should still be striving to move in that direction. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 23:13 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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You should accept the correct position is to be socially conservative and fiscally liberal
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mastershakeman posted:You should accept the correct position is to be socially conservative and fiscally socialist Fixed.
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i'm starting to think the baddem fixation with the alt-right is entirely because they can't argue their position based on its actual merits all they can do is point to literal nazis and say at least we're not them (yet) chucky schumer might want to turn normalizing relations with a hostile nuclear capable power into a political football but lmfao at these blood and soil guys right
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Crowsbeak posted:Fixed. Need a new term for mmt theory of distribution
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mastershakeman posted:You should accept the correct position is to be socially conservative and fiscally liberal 
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the real third position is being socially fascist and fiscally socialist
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WampaLord posted:My favorite part was the "it's not enough I vote for Dems, I have to be happy about it too?" poster getting told essentially "Yes, you have to be happy about it too" I like how the logic is basically "because a lack of enthusiasm/positive language has a technically non-zero chance of influencing others to not vote Dem, which has a technically non-zero chance of making Republicans win," and they completely ignore that this same logic can be used to justify all sorts of ridiculous poo poo, like simply banning literally all criticism of Democrats at any point.
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ikanreed posted:Okay last defense of my Libby bourgeois ideals, I don't have anything else to say for myself after this. bougie liberal ideals are completely incapable of dealing with climate change and must be eradicated for humanity's survival. capitalist exploitation is a scourge upon humanity
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comedyblissoption posted:obama's administration doubled down many times on making climate change worse 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the real third position is being socially fascist and fiscally socialist Im down with fiscal socialism for all the fascists.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the real third position is being socially fascist and fiscally socialist Mandatory Luxury Gay Space Communism
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Would like to clarify: Im down with what fascists think socialism is inflicted on the fascists
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Control Volume posted:Would like to clarify: Im down with what fascists think socialism is inflicted on the fascists death panels for the fash
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Pomp posted:death panels for the fash
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socialism just means everybody is given the surplus value of their labor, which under capitalism is stolen by the capitalist class undern Socialism everyone would work like 3 days a week and you'd never have to worry about food, housing, medical care, bills, etc this is because there's already a huge excess of labor due to technology and automation, it just isn't used to the benefit of the worker because it would wreck the whole system/hierarchy
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the real third position is being socially fascist and fiscally socialist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-olrP8LElE
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Ytlaya posted:I like how the logic is basically "because a lack of enthusiasm/positive language has a technically non-zero chance of influencing others to not vote Dem, which has a technically non-zero chance of making Republicans win," and they completely ignore that this same logic can be used to justify all sorts of ridiculous poo poo, like simply banning literally all criticism of Democrats at any point. It's a real hell of a thing
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