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Cabbit posted:I can't follow the train. The train has mounts and aethernet access and is level 20, whereas I'm level 5, stuck on foot, and everything can one-shot me. To be fair, people are very accommodating if you join a group, but it's still incredibly boring and you'll also spend upwards of 30 hours contributing absolutely nothing and only getting lovely eureka XP that's not useful anywhere else. Eureka for gear is incredibly bad, so don't do it. I'd say run more dungeons with your newbie bonus to get tons of tomes and get gear super easy, but they cut 50% dungeons out of the game since ARR to put in poo poo like eureka, lmao Get a goon to craft you some gear instead.
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Cabbit posted:I can't follow the train. The train has mounts and aethernet access and is level 20, whereas I'm level 5, stuck on foot, and everything can one-shot me. Realistically, you're looking at more like 2-3 weeks to get to level 9 and at least get Aethernet access before you can follow the train comfortably. My personal recommendation is to instead spend that time earning gil and buying a weapon off the AH, which is both substantially better than the Eureka weapon and doesn't require you to sit in a field killing loving rats and slugs for 20 hours.
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Oh it's definitely bad for fast gearing up but as a place people really overblow how slow it is for just getting the stuff.
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Jun 13, 2018 03:59
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No it literally takes 20+ hours just to get into the level range where you start getting ingredients for gear regularly in fate trains. If you run dungeons that time investment will net you over 10k tomes at the minimum, and you get to actually play the game and contribute with damage or heals and whatnot. In eureka, you'll have absolutely nothing to show for in those first 20 hours, as fates above your level don't even drop loving tomes. It's really just awful awful design.
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Truga posted:No it literally takes 20+ hours just to get into the level range where you start getting ingredients for gear regularly in fate trains. If you run dungeons that time investment will net you over 10k tomes at the minimum, and you get to actually play the game and contribute with damage or heals and whatnot. In eureka, you'll have absolutely nothing to show for in those first 20 hours, as fates above your level don't even drop loving tomes. You are doing something severely wrong if it takes you 20 hours to get into train range. I'm not talking about gearing up, but for getting the actual eureka items people are vastly exaggerating the time requirements.
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Jun 13, 2018 04:15
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It took me 3 lockouts to get to level 9, that's already 9 hours. All I did was follow the train and get gold on all fates by spamming aoe heals. If there's a better way, I'd love to hear about it.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:You are doing something severely wrong if it takes you 20 hours to get into train range. It is 20 hours. It isn't 20 hours to just start getting resources, but I was in there 20 hours to finish my first weapon and armor set and be level 19.
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Jun 13, 2018 04:31
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Truga posted:It took me 3 lockouts to get to level 9, that's already 9 hours. All I did was follow the train and get gold on all fates by spamming aoe heals. If there's a better way, I'd love to hear about it. Do the challenge log
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Failboattootoot posted:It is 20 hours. It isn't 20 hours to just start getting resources, but I was in there 20 hours to finish my first weapon and armor set and be level 19. Please document how you did this in exacting detail, because I very much want a dyeable version of the SAM gear.
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Cabbit posted:Please document how you did this in exacting detail, because I very much want a dyeable version of the SAM gear. Now they've added challenge logs and you should do those too to make a little faster, but get on the train after you're done with them.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about challenge logs. It's really stupid that you can't do them in the train until you're high enough level, too.
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homeless snail posted:You get on the train and you follow it, from level 2 to level 20. Okay, well, this goes back to the "they have aethernet and mounts, I literally cannot keep up with the train" problem.
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Cabbit posted:Okay, well, this goes back to the "they have aethernet and mounts, I literally cannot keep up with the train" problem. You use sprint, the train will never be too fast on that front once you've joined the herd, and all the people ahead of you will aggro most of the mobs so you don't have to deal with them. I never had any issue keeping up with the swarm of mounted people.
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Cabbit posted:Okay, well, this goes back to the "they have aethernet and mounts, I literally cannot keep up with the train" problem.
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homeless snail posted:That's not true though. You can sneak past the monsters, the train stays in one place for ahwile, they probably won't touch the aethernet more than once or twice per cycle, and many people have two person mounts and would be glad to give you a ride if you ask. Seemed pretty true whenever I tried it, but I guess I'll give it another swing.
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Why are you assholes telling poor shadowpriest man to do eureka? HASNT HE SUFFERED ENOUGH?! Tbh if you need to upgrade your weapon 'd say just buy a decent weapon from the marketboard, it should run you <1mil? If you don't have enough I've always made a good profit from running maps which I assume goons will be up for.
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I saw an ADS mount identical to the Shatter one but it was glowing yellow. Where the hell do you get it?
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POLICE CAR AUCTION posted:I saw an ADS mount identical to the Shatter one but it was glowing yellow. Where the hell do you get it? 100 wins in the new frontline queue. Ibram Gaunt posted:You use sprint, the train will never be too fast on that front once you've joined the herd, and all the people ahead of you will aggro most of the mobs so you don't have to deal with them. I never had any issue keeping up with the swarm of mounted people. Pretty much this, although I will caveat and say I haven't set foot in that shithole since a week after it came out. At this time, maybe things are different.
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Cythereal posted:To be fair, when are video game flamethrowers fun? Ratchet and Clank
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Roepostin': They're so *dinky*! Regardless, in one month and a change of eyewear, I'll be able to go from Bohemian Librarian to Beach Bum, I can't wait.
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The most important thing about being low level in eureka has nothing to do with having mounts and aethernet access and everything to do with knowing the different kinds of aggro. Almost every mob in eureka has a vision cone, and the ones that don't either aggro by sound (not sure this applies to any of the NM mobs, actually), by spells being casted near them, or by being low health in their presence. You can literally walk right behind a lv19 mob at lv1 as long as it's the kind that aggros by sight.
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Sade posted:The most important thing about being low level in eureka has nothing to do with having mounts and aethernet access and everything to do with knowing the different kinds of aggro. Almost every mob in eureka has a vision cone, and the ones that don't either aggro by sound (not sure this applies to any of the NM mobs, actually), by spells being casted near them, or by being low health in their presence. You can literally walk right behind a lv19 mob at lv1 as long as it's the kind that aggros by sight. I don't think any are aggroed by sound. Most are aggroed by sight, the coffin arm guys in the north are aggroed by being low health (or just being hit? not positive, it's definitely blood related). Which ones aggro by spell cast? Haven't seen those before. I feel like I need to grind out Eureka 20 before the next wing comes out or i'll NEVER get it done.
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Thumbtacks posted:I don't think any are aggroed by sound. Most are aggroed by sight, the coffin arm guys in the north are aggroed by being low health (or just being hit? not positive, it's definitely blood related). Which ones aggro by spell cast? Haven't seen those before. Anything with "sprite" in the name has magic aggro for sure. Not sure if there are any others.
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Xun posted:Why are you assholes telling poor shadowpriest man to do eureka? HASNT HE SUFFERED ENOUGH?! No.
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Where in the Gold Saucer do I go for the gold dance and exclamation emote?
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Thumbtacks posted:Which ones aggro by spell cast? Haven't seen those before.
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Cabbit posted:Okay, well, this goes back to the "they have aethernet and mounts, I literally cannot keep up with the train" problem. Skip Eureka, wait until they add the dyable gear in some other form (or overhaul Eureka). Neither is likely to happen IMO so just skip Eureka because it's awful.
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Nomadic Scholar posted:Where in the Gold Saucer do I go for the gold dance and exclamation emote? One of the vendors should have the gold dance, sadly the exclamation is mogstation only now.
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I know about a Roe!  I think this might be the first time I've posted him in the thread actually.
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Thumbtacks posted:I don't think any are aggroed by sound. Most are aggroed by sight, the coffin arm guys in the north are aggroed by being low health (or just being hit? not positive, it's definitely blood related). Which ones aggro by spell cast? Haven't seen those before. The fans in the higher level cave areas are sound-aggro, that much I know for sure. As long as you make sure to walk and not run, you can stroll right past them and they won't know a thing. It's not super useful, but they exist. Eureka definitely gets less painful once you're over level 9 (as more fates start giving you good exp), but it's kind of a bear to get there. I leveled myself to 20 before the challenge log, and powergrinded my friends to 15 or so recently through the power of challenge logs and the fact that an unpartied paladin can flash to take aggro but not ruin peoples' exp. If you were dedicated and had a high level friend to spawn a few lower level fates for you, level 9 could be done in a few hours no problem. It's still faster to just go and get a lost allagan weapon or something, though. I dunno how the prices are on goonserver but where I play, 350 crafted stuff will run you 1.5m+ each, which just isn't feasible for some people. And clown crystalloids are still limited to one a week because reasons.
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orcane posted:Skip Eureka, wait until they add the dyable gear in some other form (or overhaul Eureka). Neither is likely to happen IMO so just skip Eureka because it's awful. Seems kind of lovely that they're putting the relics weapons this time around in there. I've never completed a relic and always regretted it, but goddamn trying to actually level up in Eureka is so boring and takes forever. At least with the older relics you could run different things to work on it I guess. Speaking of, how easy is it to complete a HW relic at this point? I wouldn't mind having the WHM one.
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Ouhei posted:I've never completed a relic and always regretted it Never regret this.
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Ouhei posted:Seems kind of lovely that they're putting the relics weapons this time around in there. I've never completed a relic and always regretted it, but goddamn trying to actually level up in Eureka is so boring and takes forever. At least with the older relics you could run different things to work on it I guess. I never expected good things when they started talking about having SB relic stuff take place in their next attempt at making Diadem good. The HW relics are not that bad anymore but they're still pretty grindy. You have the following stages:
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It's all the ARR and HW primal battles in a row. And not even on Extreme so yeah it's completely trivial.
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The relic should just go into your pockets and accrue points for doing group content, regardless of the class you're playing, with bonuses for helping first time donations and daily roulettes. Eureka is bad, but I think it could be okay as a Timeless Isle style zone. You would have to strip out the obnoxious levelling system and make the events there more varied and interesting though.
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orcane posted:I never expected good things when they started talking about having SB relic stuff take place in their next attempt at making Diadem good. Hmm, might be worth doing on the side as something to keep myself busy.
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Last step is going through all the Primal Hard trials.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Ratchet and Clank The first game's flamethrower sucked poo poo, sorry to say
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