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At least it’s a big enough profile that it should end up somewhere easily accessible. There’s nothing worse than seeing a trailer or reading about an interesting looking doc just for it to fall into the ether for years.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 05:20 |
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Just watched the Netflix version of The Staircase and man, what a ride. I watched the first Staircase when it came out and got completely hooked on it, then the second and finally now the third. It's so good. The one thing I noticed the Netflix version completely cut out was the whole Owl theory thing, I think it was fairly prominent in The Last Chance/Staircase 2 but the only reference to it is in passing by David Rudolf in the second to last episode. I liked having it as a part of the doc originally because it was such an out-there theory but I remember it being somewhat well justified. Still, check it out if you haven't already. It's up there with the best true crime, fly-on-the-wall, non-sensationalized courtroom documentaries.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 13:25 |
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Wait, is it a new documentary based on the same case? Or did they just upload that old documentary?
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 16:39 |
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Re-upload with extra episodes I believe.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 16:41 |
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Huh. Interesting.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 16:44 |
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EL BROMANCE posted:Re-upload with extra episodes I believe. Ohhhhh thats why it said 3 new episodes. I thought the whole thing was new, an just sat archived for years. Yea that docu is a loving ride and I was hit with a lot of defeat last night around episode 11
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 16:45 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Wait, is it a new documentary based on the same case? Or did they just upload that old documentary? It's the old documentary plus three new episodes' worth of more recent material edited into roughly hour-long episodes. The first Staircase covered the whole thing from Kathleen's death to Peterson's conviction, Staircase 2: Last Chance covered the appeal process and Peterson being granted a retrial and the third covers everything from there up until mid-to-late 2017 so it's very recent. But like I said, the old stuff has been slightly edited, for instance cutting out everything about the owl theory. It's still solid as hell and it was cool to see new stuff after such a long wait.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 16:51 |
Stare-Out posted:Just watched the Netflix version of The Staircase and man, what a ride. I watched the first Staircase when it came out and got completely hooked on it, then the second and finally now the third. It's so good. Henry Lee is the highlight of that show. He politely and charmingly destroys the DA's evidence but still gets ignored because he's too "foreign".
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 17:12 |
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Alhazred posted:Henry Lee is the highlight of that show. He politely and charmingly destroys the DA's evidence but still gets ignored because he's too "foreign". His joke about signing Rudolf's book killed too. As did Brad's "and one judge" line. So weird to see everyone laugh under those circumstances.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 17:28 |
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Stare-Out posted:It's the old documentary plus three new episodes' worth of more recent material edited into roughly hour-long episodes. The first Staircase covered the whole thing from Kathleen's death to Peterson's conviction, Staircase 2: Last Chance covered the appeal process and Peterson being granted a retrial and the third covers everything from there up until mid-to-late 2017 so it's very recent. Someone in this thread said that The Staircase was rather one-sided though, omitting a lot of details? I've tried googling, reading wikis, and I can't find any mention of said omissions. Does anybody know more about that part of the story?
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 17:46 |
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magnificent7 posted:Someone in this thread said that The Staircase was rather one-sided though, omitting a lot of details? I've tried googling, reading wikis, and I can't find any mention of said omissions. Does anybody know more about that part of the story? Well, it's one-sided in the sense that it predominantly focuses on Peterson and his family, the opposing side (DA/Kathleen's family) aren't given all that much screen time, especially as the story progresses. I haven't heard anything about any significant omissions, but the doc didn't sway me in either direction. Even after going through it twice now, I can't say whether Peterson is guilty or not.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 17:55 |
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Some dark rear end jokes were being had around epsiode 8/9
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 17:56 |
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I think the only thing I’m convinced of is that she was murdered by someone. I was just never convinced that an accident causes those kind of injuries.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 18:04 |
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After watching it twice I can't believe he murdered her. Like it makes no sense motive wise or murder weapon wise
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 18:31 |
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If he did murder her, or if she was murdered, there's no way it happened in the way the prosecution claims in the first trial. That whole blowpoke thing was a load of horseshit from the beginning. Owl theory all the way. Mahoning posted:I think the only thing I’m convinced of is that she was murdered by someone. I was just never convinced that an accident causes those kind of injuries. That's the thought I had when I first watched the documentary but if she hit her head hard enough on the door frame, and then slipped, it's possible. But then again we have no real idea of how things went down, the way she fell could've been a whole lot different than was presented during the trial by the biomechanics guy for instance. A hard enough of a fall would've caused a hell of a laceration and even without skull fractures the head bleeds a lot. I've gotten cuts to my head a few times and each time it was pretty alarming to see the amount of blood coming from a pretty tiny cut. I mean, face covered in blood-amount from a cut less than an inch wide.
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# ? Jun 15, 2018 19:45 |
Alan_Shore posted:After watching it twice I can't believe he murdered her. Like it makes no sense motive wise or murder weapon wise But he had filth on his computer. Pure filth!
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# ? Jun 16, 2018 09:56 |
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Alhazred posted:But he had filth on his computer. Pure filth! The man. Liked. DICKS
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# ? Jun 16, 2018 18:45 |
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I'm amazed the jury managed to (presumably) stay unbiased when faced with a ghoulish crone like Freda Black.
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# ? Jun 16, 2018 19:30 |
Honestly, I think the judge was the worst of them all of all. He just silently watches it all unfolds and then later non-nonchalantly admits how hosed up it was and that he might have ruined a man's life over nothing.
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# ? Jun 17, 2018 11:59 |
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Alan_Shore posted:After watching it twice I can't believe he murdered her. Like it makes no sense motive wise or murder weapon wise At the very least, the prosecution didn't come anywhere close to "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" and he should have never been sentenced after that shitshow of a trial.
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# ? Jun 17, 2018 13:50 |
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Alhazred posted:Honestly, I think the judge was the worst of them all of all. He just silently watches it all unfolds and then later non-nonchalantly admits how hosed up it was and that he might have ruined a man's life over nothing. Yea that is super hosed up.
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# ? Jun 17, 2018 17:04 |
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Also, the "Owl Theory" actually makes a whole lot of sense. She literally had feathers in her hair
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# ? Jun 17, 2018 17:06 |
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Wtf is this theory
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# ? Jun 17, 2018 17:08 |
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Alan_Shore posted:The man. Liked. DICKS The worst part of the series is when that woman is talking to the jury, and she adopts her "gee shucks ah'm just an old tyme Southern gal like y'all" and says things like "HE WAS A BAH. SEXUAL. DO YOU THINK THAT WOMAN WOULD HAVE STOOD FOR THAT FILTH!" Like yeah a rich couple who mix in the art world being freaky is a REAL SCANDAL HERE LADY.
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# ? Jun 17, 2018 17:09 |
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KoRMaK posted:Wtf is this theory It's on Youtube, the gist of it is that the wounds on her scalp look EXACTLY like owl raptor talons, they live in a place where Bard Owls attack humans without provocation, she had microfeathers and twigs in the hair she pulled out of her scalp, and Bard Owls are the only owls that even have microfeathers that go down to their talons. The wounds, extreme amount of blood, and so forth are consistent with someone attacked by an owl that got tangled in her hair and, because she was drunk and on Valium, it was made worse by her falling and hitting her body all over the steps.
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# ? Jun 17, 2018 17:11 |
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Any of you seen this? How good or bad is it?quote:The cultural aversion to a group of punks in a conservative Texas town leads to one of the most controversial hate crimes in American history. Based on the true story of Brian Deneke, Bomb City questions the morality of American justice. I mean, as a lifelong punk lover, I assume it'll angry up the blood since I sorta know the story already....but is it a good film?
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 03:50 |
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precision posted:It's on Youtube, the gist of it is that the wounds on her scalp look EXACTLY like owl raptor talons, they live in a place where Bard Owls attack humans without provocation, she had microfeathers and twigs in the hair she pulled out of her scalp, and Bard Owls are the only owls that even have microfeathers that go down to their talons. The wounds, extreme amount of blood, and so forth are consistent with someone attacked by an owl that got tangled in her hair and, because she was drunk and on Valium, it was made worse by her falling and hitting her body all over the steps. They strike me as the kind of people that would leave their back door open, for the dogs mostly and because who cares no one is going to walk in through the backyard. Makes me think about why it's important to keep your screen door closed and probably not even have a doggie door in places like Florida
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 04:19 |
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precision posted:It's on Youtube, the gist of it is that the wounds on her scalp look EXACTLY like owl raptor talons, they live in a place where Bard Owls attack humans without provocation, she had microfeathers and twigs in the hair she pulled out of her scalp, and Bard Owls are the only owls that even have microfeathers that go down to their talons. The wounds, extreme amount of blood, and so forth are consistent with someone attacked by an owl that got tangled in her hair and, because she was drunk and on Valium, it was made worse by her falling and hitting her body all over the steps. You'd think she would have had some wounds on her hands or did she just let the thing attack her and not even try to fight back or? So the bird just flew in, attacked her, and then just casually flew out? Like, it came in the house just to kill her like some assassin and found a way out without being confused and flying around the house leaving more feathers around? I think the feathers and twigs are more likely to have gone in her hair when they were sitting outside by the pool. Anything is possible though. But having watched the documentary, to me it's most likely that the guy did it. He gives out some weird OJ vibes with his nervous laughter and weird jokes about murder and killing etc. Plus, in the earlier episodes you can see it in the defense's faces that they are struggling to come up with different ways how the lady could have gotten those injuries and even admitting that it's tough to figure it out. An interesting case for sure, but to me it just seems to be so straight forward and obvious but with all the surrounding poo poo from both sides making it such a poo poo show that no one can think straight anymore.
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 12:26 |
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I imagine the owl would only have had to swoop and attack once, near the house to leave the marks, then she runs inside and brains herself on the stairs
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 12:42 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Any of you seen this? How good or bad is it? It's not a documentary but it is def. an above average indie
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 14:43 |
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KoRMaK posted:Omg lol why did they take that out of the Netflix upload? Did it ever run at trial? Presumably it was axed because it was a loose theory that, to be fair, felt a bit left field in the original doc as well. It never came up at trial if I recall because it first came up during the appeal process and I don't think there was enough solid evidence to put it forth as a credible alternate theory for what happened. The state would've blown it out of the water pretty easily. I personally think that while it's extremely unlikely, it's not impossible. There are ways it could've happened, all it takes is one swoop from an adult bard owl to do pretty severe damage, and they demonstrated in the documentary that if you were at the pool, you wouldn't hear a thing that was happening in the house. I'm still leaning towards it being an accident. She fell.
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 14:49 |
not trolled not crying posted:But having watched the documentary, to me it's most likely that the guy did it. He gives out some weird OJ vibes with his nervous laughter and weird jokes about murder and killing etc. quote:Plus, in the earlier episodes you can see it in the defense's faces that they are struggling to come up with different ways how the lady could have gotten those injuries and even admitting that it's tough to figure it out. An interesting case for sure, but to me it just seems to be so straight forward and obvious but with all the surrounding poo poo from both sides making it such a poo poo show that no one can think straight anymore. And for it having to be a murder Peterson would have chosen a weapon that could lacerate but not break the skull (blowpoke!), stand in a very specific angle and since there's no defense wounds his wife must've laid completely still while he beat her. Not to mention that his supposed motive boils down to "he was a filthy degenerative".
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 16:22 |
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Alan_Shore posted:I imagine the owl would only have had to swoop and attack once, near the house to leave the marks, then she runs inside and brains herself on the stairs This is also a way to explain why there were blood spots around the pool and leading indoors. Like yeah, it's a weird rear end theory, but also to me it's just as plausible as "guy who is in a happy marriage and doing well financially beats his wife to death for literally no reason, spends 10 years in jail, and then still balks at entering an Alford Plea even though that is the only thing he has to do in order to get, and stay, out of jail. I didn't get "OJ vibes" from him at all. Guy mostly just seemed insanely bewildered at how hosed up his situation was.
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 16:53 |
precision posted:I didn't get "OJ vibes" from him at all. Guy mostly just seemed insanely bewildered at how hosed up his situation was. I actually liked that he was aware enough to talk about how insanely more hosed he would have been if he wasn't a white rich man.
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 16:55 |
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precision posted:I didn't get "OJ vibes" from him at all. Guy mostly just seemed insanely bewildered at how hosed up his situation was. That's how I saw it too, it's hardly unusual for someone in his position to try and use morbid humor when his life is basically on the line and the odds are increasingly against him. It's not like the second his wife's body was taken away he was off cracking jokes about being a murderer. Plus he had a consistent habit of trying to convince everyone around him, his kids most notably, that he was doing okay so what better way to do that than to joke around. E: I also have to mention Kathleen's sisters. I mean there's trying to make sense of an insanely tragic and difficult situation by blaming anyone and everyone but they (Candace in particular) really went off the deep end. I actually felt pretty sorry for her at the end, despite how she came across. Stare-Out fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jun 18, 2018 |
# ? Jun 18, 2018 16:58 |
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I'm sorry y'all - you can say Owl, or Waterfowl, or Superbowl, but that all fades away when you hear, "His previous wife died from a fall down the stairs as well." BAM sorry what now why are we even discussing this again?
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:24 |
magnificent7 posted:I'm sorry y'all - you can say Owl, or Waterfowl, or Superbowl, but that all fades away when you hear, "His previous wife died from a fall down the stairs as well." He had absolutely no motive for killing her. The german doctor concluded that she died of an aneurysm.
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:52 |
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No she didn't. His previous wife stood by him in court last year. His friend and biological mother of his adopted daughers died after possibly suffering a stroke and then falling down the stairs. Easy to see as suspicious, no doubt. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm leaning towards a coincidence. Again, no motive, and pushing someone down the stairs isn't necessarily a surefire way of killing a person, especially when there's no clear evidence of any subsequent beating. If so, Peterson is a very lucky (in terms of success rate) and an oddly specific and sporadic murderer.
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:56 |
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I think it says something about what has changed in the past decade because in the last go-round, when the doc was originally aired, the owl theory was roundly mocked.
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:07 |
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Alhazred posted:It wasn't his previous wife, it was a friend's wife. Thanks for clearing this up. I swear I thought it was a case of "He did it before so... guilty?"
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# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:35 |