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spandexcajun posted:I am baffled by this. Piping in fake v8 sounds to newer smaller engine Mustangs and BMWs is dumb, but it make a little bit if sense (If I really twist my brain...). But what the hell is the appeal of just making up fake noise that never existed in the first place? Yea I don't get it either.
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Jun 15, 2018 18:04
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ClassH posted:Yea I don't get it either. Agreed... Rode in a BMW i8 during one of the Drive Electric Week events. The guy driving it had it in Sport mode, which makes the noises even louder and more aggressive. I thought it was the stupidest thing ever.
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Jun 15, 2018 18:25
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Agronox posted:Or just an appeal to people who like vroom vroom noises. But, I am one of these people! I'm probably just overthinking it... people like what they like, logic is sometimes not involved.
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Jun 15, 2018 18:52
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spandexcajun posted:I guess it's an appeal to people who need a car with "soul"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4xJ-4piQxI Oh Jesus loving Christ. I swear I did not see this before my post. "For reasons mystery and many..."  We anthropomorphize machines when they don't act in predictable and reliable ways (like people) so, yeah Porches have plenty of "soul" 
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Jun 15, 2018 22:01
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I think the "soul"-discussion is very fascinating. Obviously there is no such thing as soul, really. It's people with a certain set of cultural references artfully saying "wow I really like this". I like the animalistic way an engine can breathe, vocalize, you can imagine it purring at idle or tensing up before releasing a roar etc. But I also like the spaceship zoom of an EV in the same way, it makes me go "wow I really like this". But "soul" doesn't quite capture that because spaceship zoom isn't something that animals do. So when I come up with a really striking metaphor that works with spaceship zoom, soul won't matter as much.
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Jun 15, 2018 22:23
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I hate loud cars and would support more restrictive regulations against them. It's pathetic when some dumb civic is making a ton of noise going 10mph in the parking lot. All that noise for that small speed. Also get off my lawn.
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Jun 15, 2018 23:47
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Does the EV train have enough momentum to keep rolling regardless of Tesla? I don't personally give a poo poo about Tesla as a brand, but I feel that they are one of the biggest reasons EV interest is as high as it is right now. If they go under, and Teslas cease to exist, will other automakers continue the roll into full fleet electrification within my lifetime?
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Jun 16, 2018 00:32
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stevobob posted:Does the EV train have enough momentum to keep rolling regardless of Tesla? I don't personally give a poo poo about Tesla as a brand, but I feel that they are one of the biggest reasons EV interest is as high as it is right now. If they go under, and Teslas cease to exist, will other automakers continue the roll into full fleet electrification within my lifetime? I think they'll lose interest.
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Jun 16, 2018 00:41
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stevobob posted:Does the EV train have enough momentum to keep rolling regardless of Tesla? I don't personally give a poo poo about Tesla as a brand, but I feel that they are one of the biggest reasons EV interest is as high as it is right now. If they go under, and Teslas cease to exist, will other automakers continue the roll into full fleet electrification within my lifetime? Most companies are making rather large investments and commitments to electrics, so I think they're here for at least the next couple car generations, probably longer. The unknown is how biomass-derived biofuels get on. We've got a huge infrastructure already in place to accommodate using liquids as fuels, so if those ever get economical they may marginalize the BEVs in the future. BEVs will co-exist with hybrid ICE cars for a long time, though. At worst BEVs will corner the short-range commuter/city car niche, while ICEs will be preferred for long distance trips.
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Jun 16, 2018 00:50
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stevobob posted:Does the EV train have enough momentum to keep rolling regardless of Tesla? I don't personally give a poo poo about Tesla as a brand, but I feel that they are one of the biggest reasons EV interest is as high as it is right now. If they go under, and Teslas cease to exist, will other automakers continue the roll into full fleet electrification within my lifetime? If the economics are there, yes. The biggest advantage Tesla has had in terms of actually getting people to buy BEVs is an investor class that is completely uninterested in profitability.
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Jun 16, 2018 01:53
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The funny thing I just realized is that the only Tesla anyone ever really wanted was the roadster they stopped making after like 7. But the cool of that car somehow overflowed onto the relatively mediocre cars of the next generation and created demand for that.
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Jun 16, 2018 02:00
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roomforthetuna posted:The funny thing I just realized is that the only Tesla anyone ever really wanted was the roadster they stopped making after like 7. But the cool of that car somehow overflowed onto the relatively mediocre cars of the next generation and created demand for that.
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Jun 16, 2018 02:04
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My car has the soul of the previous owner trapped in it like a harry potter soul thing.
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Jun 16, 2018 02:42
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bawfuls posted:What? The S is a fast full sized sedan, for which there is a well established market. No one else was making EVs with 400+ ft.lbs of torque. Electric acceleration is fun as hell and Tesla has been making the most fun EVs for the past several years.
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Jun 16, 2018 02:51
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roomforthetuna posted:Yeah, no, I'm not saying it's a bad car or anything, but if they'd started with a car like that and not done the short-lived roadster nobody would have even heard of the company. It was an amazing piece of marketing.
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Jun 16, 2018 03:45
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spandexcajun posted:No car let's you coast at highway speeds without using the accelerator*. Many ICE vehicles have really lovely engine braking and can coast almost as well in gear as they could in neutral. Every Mopar with an automatic I've ever driven has been like this, my parents' old Jeep Liberty I could stick in to second gear at highway speed and while the RPM would rise it barely slowed down. My Fords on the other hand would slam you in to your seatbelts if you did the same. Also all of us who like those strange sticks coming out of our center consoles have a way to switch to that mode on demand.
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Jun 17, 2018 17:48
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A: there’s very little engine braking in top gear. B: some modern transmissions will actually put the car into neutral when you’re cruising at highway speeds if there’s no load.
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Jun 17, 2018 18:02
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A famous person is claiming their Tesla spontaneous caught on fire so I guess go ahead and put that with the rest of the good news Tesla has had lately. https://mobile.twitter.com/marycmccormack/status/1007831286176571394 
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Jun 18, 2018 19:46
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Looks badass. My Flaming Electric Chariot.
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Jun 18, 2018 19:49
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Musk is claiming both sabotage by an employee, and also that 5k cars is real soon now. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/06/18/elon-musk-email-employee-conducted-extensive-and-damaging-sabotage.html quote:making direct code changes to the Tesla Manufacturing Operating System under false usernames and exporting large amounts of highly sensitive Tesla data to unknown third parties.
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Jun 19, 2018 06:04
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Is there no fire suppression system that can stop a lithium fire? I am guessing no. Have to put it out with explosives like an oil wellhead fire.
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Jun 19, 2018 12:29
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Elephanthead posted:Is there no fire suppression system that can stop a lithium fire? I am guessing no. Have to put it out with explosives like an oil wellhead fire. You should be able to put them out; they don't have their own oxidizer so far as I'm aware. You just can't use water to put them out because they'll convert the water into hydrogen and oxygen and burn that. A class D extinguisher ought to work fine.
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Jun 19, 2018 17:50
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Elephanthead posted:Is there no fire suppression system that can stop a lithium fire? I am guessing no. Have to put it out with explosives like an oil wellhead fire. you can put out a lithium fire with a class D extinguisher the tricky thing with EV fires is that it's possible that the batteries aren't actually burning. in that case the right play is to dump a poo poo ton of water on the battery pack to prevent it from overheating unless you have some manufacturing flaw the battery will not catch fire unless severely damaged
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Jun 19, 2018 17:54
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I really want a head-to-head of the I-Pace and the Model 3 LR AWD Performance and the Model X 75D
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Jun 19, 2018 17:57
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Tesla vlogger Bjørn is getting a ride in a Pipistrel electric plane, some pics here: https://www.facebook.com/Teslabjorn/posts/836072569919206 The Norwegian aviation authorities have bought one for testing.
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Jun 21, 2018 07:24
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EV fans: Pikes Peak is this weekend and VW and Romain Dumas are going to try and set a new electric record up the mountain. I think the race is even being live-streamed, although not for free. There’ll be a feature at Ars on it next week.
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Jun 21, 2018 11:17
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Info-video of the aforementioned plane, no flying yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxhBI6KC-O8 Ola fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jun 21, 2018 |
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Jun 21, 2018 18:35
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And the flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgdj9HpdzvI Takeoff at 7:00. I want one! Nice quiet-ish sound on the flyby. I think its prop turns at a lower rpm compared to even fixed pitch fossils.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:29
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Ola posted:Tesla vlogger Bjørn is getting a ride in a Pipistrel electric plane, some pics here: https://www.facebook.com/Teslabjorn/posts/836072569919206 The Norwegian aviation authorities have bought one for testing. I've often wondered what it would take to make electric airplanes a meaningful method of transportation. Based on the specs for electric planes produced to date, you'd need about a 4-5x increase in batter energy density to match the range of a Cessna 152. There have been lab experiments with batteries that can hold that kind of power, but no news of any progress towards mass production. Though Volkswagen just invested $100 million in a startup working on solid-state lithium batteries: https://electrek.co/2018/06/22/volkswagen-invest-solid-states-batteries-electric-cars/
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Jun 23, 2018 00:10
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i don't know why the gently caress we keep putting so much money into batteries when liquid fuels are literally an order of magnitude more energy-dense and available right now aside from a few experimental compounds like boron zip fuels, the gasoline/kerosene/diesel/etc system of fuels is literally the lightest and most compact way of storing energy we know of until you get to nuclear materials, and you can transport the stuff with a bucket and a hose. it's a loving godsend that our planet is full of these miracle chemicals just a few hundred feet under the ground, because if it wasn't, we'd probably still be freezing to death every winter or dying of scurvy while trying to reach the new world. liquid-hydrocarbon fuel cells are the true way forwards. batteries are just a stopgap.
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Jun 23, 2018 03:04
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Sagebrush posted:i don't know why the gently caress we keep putting so much money into batteries when liquid fuels are literally an order of magnitude more energy-dense and available right now But Toyota is boring.
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Jun 23, 2018 03:10
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drgitlin posted:EV fans: Pikes Peak is this weekend and VW and Romain Dumas are going to try and set a new electric record up the mountain. I think the race is even being live-streamed, although not for free. https://youtu.be/racUCpe86uA
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Sagebrush posted:i don't know why the gently caress we keep putting so much money into batteries when liquid fuels are literally an order of magnitude more energy-dense and available right now Well sure, but they're only really useful for work when you burn them in engines which are designed for burning them in. But, what if we made a different kind of engine, one that didn't work on burning hydrocarbons? What if you could optimize that engine for the lower energy density and different energy delivery offered by batteries and have it accomplish the same sort of ends?
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Jun 23, 2018 06:22
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Finger Prince posted:What if you could optimize that engine for the lower energy density and different energy delivery offered by batteries and have it accomplish the same sort of ends? If you can "optimize" an engine for an energy source with low density -- by which I assume you mean "make a very efficient electric motor" -- then by using the same engine with the high-power liquid fuels you could have a vehicle that far superior in range/efficiency/weight/size to anything that either burns the fuel or uses chemical batteries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_methanol_fuel_cell is currently the technology with the strongest research base but there are variants of the concept that work with everything from methane to ethanol Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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Jun 23, 2018 07:49
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Sagebrush posted:i don't know why the gently caress we keep putting so much money into batteries when liquid fuels are literally an order of magnitude more energy-dense and available right now Because pollution.
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Jun 23, 2018 08:08
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Ola posted:Because pollution. In the EV thread? Knowning that we're cooking the planet to death? Because it's a more efficient/convenient storage to energy ratio? Did i take  Or is this more of a "EV is a stopgap towards glorious FuelCell supremacy"?
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Jun 23, 2018 08:17
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I believe it is what they call a "troll".
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Jun 23, 2018 08:36
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I believe he is suggesting that spending the equivalent cost of ending all poverty on earth to get batteries efficient enough that they can be used in a cost-effective 600-mile range vehicle charged by the remote burning of fossil fuels is not the most thought out plan.
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Elephanthead posted:I believe he is suggesting that spending the equivalent cost of ending all poverty on earth to get batteries efficient enough that they can be used in a cost-effective 600-mile range vehicle charged by the remote burning of fossil fuels is not the most thought out plan. And instead we should spend the equivalent cost of ending all poverty on earth in developing a fuel cell that uses hydrocarbons produced by the remote burning of fossil fuels to do the same. And just don't worry about the CO2 byproduct of that fuel cell, I'm sure Future Tech will sort that out.
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