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I work for an enterprise software company that has been in business for about 5 years and are currently growing out of the "Start Up" mentality. We have a core software product that is an electronic medical records system that integrates medical charting, prescription pads, pharmacy communication, med tracking, patient tracking, rounds and a bunch of poo poo. Its scaleable from single doctor general practice to large nation-wide hospitals. I started in implementation for them and was responsible from taking a new client from sales, structuring their chart, customizing the software and teaching all the doctors, nurses and staff what buttons to press. There is a new software product we are adding to our enterprise offering that is a client relationship management software with a bit of marketing stuff tacked on (Tracking ad campagins/dollars per admit/providing basic business intelligence). My COO and CTO approached me and asked me to join the team in an undetermined role and for a salary increase in june/july if i demonstrate aptitude. I pushed back on this and they gave me a bonus with a salary negotiation in June. The structure is CTO of the core product and company, SVP Product Manager/Owner, me, and than i got a team of 4 running basic configuration and doing monkey level data entry (user profiles, security roles, sending invites). I got the team 3 weeks ago after being just me and working like 15 hours a day and bitching to my COO about the product failing due to lovely resource allocation. I am responsible for some sales demos, implementation, project management, end user training and communicating customer requests to the dev team. I also am in the stand up meeting for the dev team every morning at 9am (They are remote a few states away), and write user stories and bugs in Visual Studios. I do NOT code at all apart from some basic ruby on rails web manipulation poo poo for the core product to automate lovely boring tasks. I am also part of the bi-weekly sprint planning meetings and architecture meetings where i do voice an opinion on either poo poo i care about, the customer cares about or if i understand something. Among a whole host of questions I have involving like salary, I would first like to ask what do you guys think an appropriate title to ask for is? I am a senior implementation specialist now, and Enterprise Implementation Specialist or Manager would work and seem to be natural (I am the only one in the ENTIRE Company that can implement the CRM and the core EMR product. I am the only who knows the CRM apart from the SVP) but I was wondering if pivoting my resume into some sort of Product Manager role may be better for me and sound more impressive? I feel like thats a harder, better title than enterprise implementation manager. I Feel like i def want manager in it somewhere.... I can post to YOSPOS or somewhere else if this is too technical for this thread....
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buglord posted:Anyone have podcast/audiobook recommendations about careers and improvement? A while back I was pointed to 80,000hours which is a great resource but their podcasts are a little too far off the mark for me. I'm more or less looking for guides on how to get on the right path of doing something I find fulfilling and doing something that pays well. x-post from the BFC newbies thread. any reccs would be great!
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Listening to a podcast about self improvement just sounds like procrastinating on actual self improvement. Start working on / studying the thing you want to get good at while you listen to any podcast you like. All joking aside, it might help if you told us exactly what you want to do.
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KillHour posted:Listening to a podcast about self improvement just sounds like procrastinating on actual self improvement. Start working on / studying the thing you want to get good at while you listen to any podcast you like. Anyway here's some word salad and I really apologize in advance: I’m a 25 year old with a B.A in Physical Anthropology. I work full time in a food industry lab tech position, which pays 35k a year with health & benefits. No 401k. The current job is comfortable. Its pretty simple, I can listen to music and podcasts practically all day while working, great boss and good coworkers. But my heart isn't in it and the motivation isn't there. I'd want a job with higher pay. I don't mind if its a harder job, but I think I'd have to enjoy it and get fulfillment from it. But I don't know what kind of job would work for me. I've been reading a website called 80,000 Hours and they describe that all sorts of people get jobs, which they love, that aren't anything in their field or specialty. And because they love these jobs, their motivation tends to bring them higher wages. So their passion eventually brings the money in. But 80,000 Hours says that people often dont know what they want, and oftentimes they end up in careers far from what they expected, yet really enjoy them. If I could describe a dream job, it would be something that resembles my college experience, you know, minus the parties and pranks and stuff. I'd go into this job, be continuously stimulated by new information which I found interesting, work with plenty of different people on a consistent basis, work on month-long projects, go into occasional ovedrive mode getting things ready before the deadline, so on and so forth. Despite being a sleepy introvert, I completely thrived in that environment. It was stressful as hell at times, but the passion and love for it made all the peaks and valleys memorable. There was always novelty though. New people I worked with, new content I had no idea about, it was good. Here's where reality kicks in: I'm not very skilled. My previous jobs were retail drone, office assistant, assistant archaeologist (which was actually pretty fun), and now lab tech. I've only been a lab tech for 8 months though. This is my first "big kid" job with salary and the things that come with salary jobs. I feel like my broad, undefined dreams are still a little much given my scant background. I don't have one insanely marketable skill, I don't have the charisma to sell a man wool mitts in summer, I'm just kinda *here*. Anywho, these podcasts tend to help me because they'll occasionally lift a veil on a limiting belief I have, or just offer good advice. They helped me see that I could go to a really good state college (from a community college) with a garbage GPA and that I could do well. So I guess these podcasts and books just help me not be my own worst enemy on this journey.
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Jun 15, 2018 20:38
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You have the same idea of a dream job everyone else does. You need to find what you're passionate about before you can try to get a job doing it.
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Jun 15, 2018 21:43
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I don’t think that’s actually true. Lots of people want consistent work that they can plan their life around. Rather too dull than too busy. I wanted the peaks and valleys and ended up doing sales and then going into management consulting. You do need to figure out what your actual skills are though.
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Jun 15, 2018 21:47
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Well yes, it was more of a "that's a really stereotypical answer" than a "literally everyone wants this" comment. Figure out the broad stuff - do you want to work with people or things? Alone or in a team? Self guided or lots of structure? Do you want to travel? Do you want to work in an office? Do you want to master a few things or be involved in lots of different things? Are you willing to move? I bet you can describe what you want to do pretty well if you think about it.
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The problem with the self reflection is that I could answer all those but I'm pretty sure I would be wrong. I wanted to go into archaeology, and while it was cool, it was not at all what I expected and was happy to get out. This lab job wasn't something I was looking forward to. While its not my ~dream job~, my boss gives me a lot of control on how I do projects and at what rate. I thought I was the type to like very structured work, but it turns out that I flourish in very "open ended" jobs.
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Jun 15, 2018 22:34
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Maybe take a careers quiz? The one I took back in school was pretty drat accurate in its top 5 suggested careers, they are things I still look at today and l Iove reading about in magazines etc. I wish I'd listened to it instead of deciding that I was just gonna follow the plan I already had
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buglord posted:The problem with the self reflection is that I could answer all those but I'm pretty sure I would be wrong. I wanted to go into archaeology, and while it was cool, it was not at all what I expected and was happy to get out. This lab job wasn't something I was looking forward to. While its not my ~dream job~, my boss gives me a lot of control on how I do projects and at what rate. I thought I was the type to like very structured work, but it turns out that I flourish in very "open ended" jobs. I was teaching math when I started learning graphic design and writing, and in a few years i was making more from my side stuff than my actual job. Met lots of cool people at conferences, in local groups, etc. You get that steep learning curve that's so fun. In my opinion, you should always be learning new skills, developing the ones that interest you and seeing where they lead. You don't need a job to develop skills for a lot of stuff. Pick something with a low cost of entry, try it for a bit, rinse repeat.
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Jun 16, 2018 04:01
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There is an AMAZING book called Becoming a Resonant Leader which is co-authored by Annie McKee , Richard Boyatzis, and some other person, but all very famous workplace/career researchers. It is really more of a work book so it goes by fast, as there are many exercises and distinct points where you reflect on what you've written down. The concept is that to be a great leader(work/home/self) we need to build our personal leadership, which is done by making some personal discoveries. The first is the person we want to be (the Ideal Self). The text in the book provides the theory and the exercises make you think and collect the data so you can put together a vision for your future that you are confident in. You then read about how to get data and find out who you are today (the Real Self), and start to trace a path between the ideal and real selves. It forces you to really reflect on your life, priorities, and goals, and I can't recommend it enough.
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Jun 17, 2018 04:42
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buglord posted:I'd go into this job, be continuously stimulated by new information which I found interesting, work with plenty of different people on a consistent basis, work on month-long projects, go into occasional ovedrive mode getting things ready before the deadline, so on and so forth. welcome to management/strat consulting, except you're fairly under qualified right now. how are your quant skills?
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Figured I would post here and see if anyone has any advice for me. I currently am 30, working as an environmental scientist with a consulting firm for a bit over three years. The work / life balance at my company is great but the pay is not great (40k/year with not great benefits). In my field and education level Id likely hover in the 40- low 50k range for the next decade, however i live in a low COL area. I generally like the work but I fear I will hit a career plateau without a P.E. or P.G. next to my name. I am not sure I am passionate enough in the field to pursue a M.S. degree (or even if it would be worth the cost of tuition compared to any potential salary increase) I am considering heading back to school for a second bachelors in Civil Engineering and would like to hear any experiences with career switching in their 30s with a wife and kid (and how the hell you paid for it?) Anyway, here are a few more details -I am former military, and used my GI bill on my first undergrad degree. I am considering joining my states national guard as an officer to receive free in-state tuition -The university is ~ 1.5 hours away ( I commuted an hour plus for my undergrad so I already know how much it sucks), so that right there is a time sink in terms of how much i can work outside of school. -By my best guess, it would take three years to finish from next spring semester, depending on how some classes transfer from my first degree. The main problem would be my lack of income. I would likely end up working for my current company / head back to the restaurant biz part time, but I would likely need to supplement with 5-7k worth of loans a year to cover expenses, putting me at $21K in the hole by the time i reenter the full time workforce. I have no loans from my first degree. -There seems to be a high demand for civil engineers in my area, and through personal contacts and work I have a few connections in this industry, so my job prospects would be good. Given these details, would any of you consider making this leap?
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Can you study online at all? I work full time and managed study at night which meant I could do it when I could and still had an income. Nb: ausgoon and finance so might be completely different and didn’t understand half your post.
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I moved abroad and started my own company while studying online. It allowed me to do multiple things, although I did get very burnt out at times. Still better than the alternative, which was debt+not earning+ having to stay in a place where the business opportunities were not as good E: what was your bachelors and could you take a masters in a field related to civil engineeringat masters level off the back of it plus work experience? simplefish fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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simplefish posted:I moved abroad and started my own company while studying online. It allowed me to do multiple things, although I did get very burnt out at times. Still better than the alternative, which was debt+not earning+ having to stay in a place where the business opportunities were not as good Environmental Science concentrating in Ecological Technology and Design. Essentially the degree focused on the science behind green technology, building design, and ecological restoration , but with none of the actual engineering credentials to work at companies that do it (most seem to want engineers or PhD level scientists). My current job as a consultant scientist working directly under P.G.'s and Environmental P.E's.. doing environmental site assessments, subsurface investigations, wetland delineations, soil infiltration testing, construction storm water management inspections, various permitting, construction project monitoring and inspecting (mostly permitting, and contaminated materials handling), and lots and lots of technical report writing. However I think some of this experience would translate well with a civil engineering degree, if only tangentially. Civil seems in higher demand in my area, so I think that would open more doors for me (instead of going the straight environmental engineering route). Unfortunately, this would require an on campus degree.
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I agree that it sounds like there should be a lot of crossover, but yeah you aren't going to get a civil engineering bachelors without labs and fieldwork. And if where you are looking at jobs pretty much insist on you being a 100% engineer, there's not really another option.
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Hey guys, not sure if this is really the right thread for this, but it seems to be the closest so I figured I’d go ahead and see... I’m looking to make a drastic career move, not by changing industries, but by leaving the US and trying to start a life in another country. Does anyone happen to have experience doing so? I have dual-citizenship with an EU country and work in engineering, so I would assume that should open a lot of doors and making immigration MUCH simpler, but I just don’t know how to even begin a job hunt on another continent. Gin_Rummy fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Are you still looking to work in engineering? What sort of engineering? What size of firm are you looking at? But just off the top of my head, if you don't care about which EU country: Pick firms you know the name of and look at their websites Look on Linkedin Go through business cards you collected at trade fairs Pick projects you heard about through trade papers and look up who was behind them Find professional recruitment agencies and send them your details (depending on how senior or specialist you are) If you've gone through all those and still haven't got anything, I'll have another think
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I’m a mechanical/aero engineer and 100% would like to stay in this field. The size of the firm isn’t really important to me, as I have worked for companies of varying size without issue or complaint. Would you change any of your steps/approach if you were specifically seeking companies that would support or aid in relocation costs?
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Larger firms may be more amenable to that, but I haven't worked in engineering. Companies - I'd wait to ask about that once they're already interested in you, they'll be more likely to consider them if they're considering you. Recruiters - yes, I'd make this clear up front.
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Jul 16, 2018 16:15
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Work at a big multinational and request a transfer to a foreign office
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Work at a big multinational and request a transfer to a foreign office That seems like more of a long con when I’m hoping for something much more direct. Also, it would be a huge waste of time when they come back with “lol no, you’re staying here.”
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sorry for trying to tell you a way that works I'm not fully convinced that you can have your cake (job overseas) and eat it too (with a minimum of fuss) plus ice cream (relocation compensation) unless you are an absolute stud. What are your qualifications? "I'm an engineer" is not a lot to go by.
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Jul 16, 2018 19:08
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Having citizenship seems like a big one.
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Jordan7hm posted:Having citizenship seems like a big one. I do have citizenship, otherwise I wouldn’t even be bothering.
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Gin_Rummy posted:I do have citizenship, otherwise I wouldn’t even be bothering. I dunno apply to like Airbus or something I am sure they have job openings for a EU National aerospace engineer.
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Let me know if I'm in the wrong thread! I've been out of work for awhile collecting unemployment but am starting to score interviews. I'm worried that being without a schedule / out of an office for several months now is going to make it hard to transition when I actually do get a job. Right now I'm trying to set an alarm and get up at a reasonable hour, not stay up late, things like that, but I still feel like a half-feral socially isolated greaseball who spends way too much time watching netflix. Does anyone have any advice for scheduling my day / keeping my brain busy so I don't entirely shut down or just gently caress around when I'm back in an office environment? I'm a software developer by the way, will probably end up in a fairly hectic startup.
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fuzzy_logic posted:Let me know if I'm in the wrong thread! I've been out of work for awhile collecting unemployment but am starting to score interviews. I'm worried that being without a schedule / out of an office for several months now is going to make it hard to transition when I actually do get a job. Right now I'm trying to set an alarm and get up at a reasonable hour, not stay up late, things like that, but I still feel like a half-feral socially isolated greaseball who spends way too much time watching netflix. Does anyone have any advice for scheduling my day / keeping my brain busy so I don't entirely shut down or just gently caress around when I'm back in an office environment? I'm a software developer by the way, will probably end up in a fairly hectic startup. I’m going through this right now, so I’ll chime in. Don’t bother trying to train yourself back into it, because your future employer will likely be so slow getting you connected to all the IT stuff, giving you permissions, assigning tasks, and/or properly training you that you’ll have nothing to do and you’ll end up loving around on your phone all day anyways. Just build that sleep schedule back to a normal one and show up on time. That’s all you’ll need.
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fuzzy_logic posted:Let me know if I'm in the wrong thread! I've been out of work for awhile collecting unemployment but am starting to score interviews. I'm worried that being without a schedule / out of an office for several months now is going to make it hard to transition when I actually do get a job. Right now I'm trying to set an alarm and get up at a reasonable hour, not stay up late, things like that, but I still feel like a half-feral socially isolated greaseball who spends way too much time watching netflix. Does anyone have any advice for scheduling my day / keeping my brain busy so I don't entirely shut down or just gently caress around when I'm back in an office environment? I'm a software developer by the way, will probably end up in a fairly hectic startup. Is it a technical job? Setup a schedule right now to learn some new stuff. Learn SQL, Java, Machine Learning, whatever. You don't need to spend 8 hours a day, but saying "From 9am until 11:30 every day I am going to work on this list of skills". It's a good way of getting in the groove of actually doing something and you gain some skills. There's tons of free stuff online that is very good quality.
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Thanks for the replies! I have an informal offer pending references and another place getting back to me Tuesday  Feeling good
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get a fuckton of exercise its why out-of-work athletes are almost uniformly better at getting another job ceteris paribus that unemployed slobs like myself ceteris ain't paribus tho, but exercise is the key one of the dudes at work would run 15 miles a day when he was unemployed. cut it down to 7 now that he has a job
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Looking for some advice in terms of a new career path. I've worked in retail management for many years and I'm done with it. I primarily worked within operations / inventory and services, lots of back-end stuff. I recently started job hunting and haven't gotten any real hits aside from more retail stuff. I have a BA in psychology, but did not end up pursuing a Masters. I am not adverse to going back to school for something short-term (1-2 years). I always thought eventually I would come to some sort of epiphany and realize what direction career wise I would go, but this isn't the case. I'm looking for suggestions in terms of a new career. I've looked at network/security engineering, medical sonographer, college counselor, HR services Coordinator etc. I'm basically all mixed up when it comes to this. Would it be beneficial for me to speak to a recruiter?
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obi_ant posted:Looking for some advice in terms of a new career path. Wow, yeah you are kind of all over the place. If you're looking to get out of retail I think HR-related stuff would be the closest fit, but that can be hard to get into. I think talking to a contracting company/recruiter would be a good first step. Probably not going to land you that long-term career, but might get you some experience in a new direction. I can speak with a bit of expertise on hiring network security, and usually there wouldn't be much for someone without some sort of background/schooling/certification. A hiring manager doesn't just want to know what you say you know, but they want to know what you've actually DONE. If you can put a good resume together that shows that, then great! If not it's an uphill battle. Recruiter company, contracting company would be my suggestion. Maybe look at jobs dealing with logistics or purchasing, which may fit with your background? Retail is a hole though, so good on you to get out.
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Lockback posted:Wow, yeah you are kind of all over the place. If you're looking to get out of retail I think HR-related stuff would be the closest fit, but that can be hard to get into. I think talking to a contracting company/recruiter would be a good first step. Probably not going to land you that long-term career, but might get you some experience in a new direction. I can speak with a bit of expertise on hiring network security, and usually there wouldn't be much for someone without some sort of background/schooling/certification. A hiring manager doesn't just want to know what you say you know, but they want to know what you've actually DONE. If you can put a good resume together that shows that, then great! If not it's an uphill battle. Thanks for the reply! It is quite unfortunate, although on a brighter note, I'm willing to go back to school for something that I see suitable (the problem is knowing what I like). Which from the circles I'm around that's not an option or wanted. I usually perform pretty well for interviews (I think). I can speak to my achievements and successes well, but they're all retail related. The couple of times I've been turned down, the coordinating/hiring manager usually talks to me for 15-20 minutes for a rejection, which can't be normal. What sort of certifications / schooling would I need to get my foot into the door for network security? How long does something like that take in terms something entry level?
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obi_ant posted:The couple of times I've been turned down, the coordinating/hiring manager usually talks to me for 15-20 minutes for a rejection, which can't be normal. What do you mean, when they tell you they're turning you down it's a 20 minute conversation? Or the interview itself is that long?
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So, I have a question related to negotiating pay. I currently work at a large state university, and my current situation is one where my actual job duties are staying identical, but my position is changing to a significantly higher paid one. I just was contacted about the salary and they will send me the stuff to sign tomorrow. While I'm basically okay with the salary (it is waaaay higher than my past pay of $37k, though that was also pretty drat low for a programmer/web developer with 8 years of experience), I'm wondering if it might be worth trying to negotiate up a bit. Because this is a government university job, salaries are basically set according to pay grades, and for the paygrade of the job the minimum is $45k and the top of the range listed on the posting is $65k, and the offer was for $52k. What complicates things is that I'm not actually negotiating with my boss (my boss is also the same as my current job; this job change is basically just an alternative form of a raise). I'd be talking with HR, and I have no clue how they decide this sort of thing. I mean, I'm really happy this is happening regardless, since this will still be far more money than I've ever made, but I don't want to screw myself over. I already kinda hosed up by not dealing with this or indicating that I had any potential issues over the phone. edit: Basically, I have some pretty persuasive reasons for why paying something more like 55-60k might make more sense, but I already kinda tipped my hand about the fact that I'm basically going to be accepting this job regardless. That being said, there's still the fact that a higher salary would make me far less willing to consider other opportunities in the future (I have personal reasons why it's very doubtful I'll leave this job, but they don't have to know that). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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Something Offal posted:What do you mean, when they tell you they're turning you down it's a 20 minute conversation? Or the interview itself is that long? When I was doing hiring for my store, usual rejections would be through e-mail or they're literally like a 2-3 minute conversation on the phone turning them down. Maybe the conversations was more liek 10-15 minutes? We talked pretty in depth (to me) about why they turned me down, what they liked about my interview and what they thought I brought to the table. I mean they're still rejections but its stuff like... "we like you, we want a spot for you, but we are going with an internal hire, it makes more sense with the scope of work required", "with you qualifications we think you're over qualified for the position and we need someone long term", "we really like you but the transition from "X" product to "Y" product is high and we want you for a lower position". It just seems out of place for companies to spend that much time for a rejection. Other rejections that I received were straight up ghosts or a generic e-mail (by the city and county).
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:How do you anticipate they will punish you for asking for more money? Yeah, I definitely have nothing to lose, but I guess I'm wondering what the best way to do it might be, particularly given I basically already signaled that I'm going to be taking the position. My current plan is to basically say that I was a bit caught off guard by the initial call and wanted to ask about how the salary was chosen from within the pay grade range, and mention that I was hoping for something in the 55-60k range given the stated range from the job posting (with $55k falling right in the middle of the range). I could also mention something about my boss saying that he was aiming to get me and a coworker applying for the same position into the "upper 50s/low 60s" but I'm not sure how kosher it is to actually explicitly mention that this position was just an indirect raise and 2/3 of the positions (3 were posted) weren't ever really up for competition.
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