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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:ACO can't be worse than FOM can it? They at least have the virtual pit lane which is a good idea for not killing drivers, unlike FOM who refuse to use that obviously good idea in favor of killing drivers Mandatory pit stops after X laps.
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Jun 17, 2018 15:47
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iospace posted:Mandatory pit stops after X laps. new resolution: block France related racing associations
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Jun 17, 2018 15:49
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Xisticide posted:These are also some of the rules that everyone was convinced that the ACO were going to use on everyone but Toyota to protect them. Instead they just used it on everyone by the 8...
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Jun 17, 2018 15:55
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Dudley posted:Instead they just used it on everyone by the 8... Yeah it's not as if the 8 got a penalty that took it out of the lead or anything
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Jun 17, 2018 16:02
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This race fuckin sucked.
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Jun 17, 2018 17:22
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It was boring, but whatever. RIP Toyota in WEC.
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Jun 17, 2018 17:27
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iospace posted:The sports car equivalent of FOM, more or less. They run Le Mans and WEC. FOM and the ACO are not analogous. FOM is (was) Formula One Management, which is the company that controlled the commercial rights. The ACO is the sanctioning body, it stands for Automobile Club of the West (of France). The correct analogue for F1 is the FIA. And aaaaaactually, WEC is run by the FIA; the technical regulations are a joint thing between the ACO and FIA.
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Jun 17, 2018 17:48
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Ban Iospace for spreading fake news
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Jun 17, 2018 18:28
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DoctorGonzo posted:Ban Iospace for spreading fake news I have some real news friend, Ferrari sucked
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Jun 17, 2018 18:34
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iospace posted:I have some real news friend, Ferrari sucked They got podiums on both of the gt classes?
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Jun 17, 2018 19:32
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That was not a good race, but was good Saturday background noise with pretty racecars I guess.
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Jun 17, 2018 19:57
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DoctorGonzo posted:They got podiums on both of the gt classes? Except GTE Pro The Kimoa Kid posted:Yeah it's not as if the 8 got a penalty that took it out of the lead or anything But didn't get two very obvious penalties when it might actually matter, meanwhile the 7 got penalised twice for essentially the same infraction. I don't believe the conspiracy theories but they've made it REALLY easy to do so.
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Jun 17, 2018 20:48
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Enjoying the continued brand that is former F1 World Champion Nico Rosberg’s youtube channel. https://youtu.be/CQyY9PK_l9c
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Jun 17, 2018 21:01
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Dudley posted:I don't believe the conspiracy theories but they've made it REALLY easy to do so. It takes the sting out of the this year's Le Mans for me since Nando is clearly capable of winning it, and yet that is not his ultimate goal alone. He will have to 100% earn an Indy 500 victory, which it seems he is also capable of. Watching him go for that is going to be way more exciting in any event.
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Jun 17, 2018 21:16
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McLaren being garbage is the best thing to happen to endurance racing and open wheel racing in decades
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Jun 17, 2018 23:52
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drgitlin posted:FOM and the ACO are not analogous. FOM is (was) Formula One Management, which is the company that controlled the commercial rights. The ACO is the sanctioning body, it stands for Automobile Club of the West (of France). The correct analogue for F1 is the FIA. The ACO doesn't have a direct relation in F1. FOM doesn't fit because it doesn't have the sheer clout that the ACO has. It's not like the ACdM could pull the poo poo the ACO does and get away with it. The ACO has a bunch of input into the rules because the only race worth racing at in WEC is the 24 Heures du Mans and the ACO gets to choose what rules the entrants must follow. Ironically, it's a lot like the Toyota situation. Le Mans needed Toyota for this superseason so the WEC (FIA+ACO) didn't just enforce the rules they would have needed to implement to bring the Hybrids back into the LMP1 pack, rather choosing to follow their agreement with Toyota featuring a "unilateral change deadline" which gave Toyota all the leverage. The last time the FIA unilaterally enforced rules on Le Mans it killed WSC.
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Jun 18, 2018 12:27
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WindyMan posted:It takes the sting out of the this year's Le Mans for me since Nando is clearly capable of winning it, and yet that is not his ultimate goal alone. He will have to 100% earn an Indy 500 victory, which it seems he is also capable of. Watching him go for that is going to be way more exciting in any event. Yeah and I'm not complaining at all about Kaz being able to take the car across the line to win LeMans after 2016.
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Jun 18, 2018 14:18
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Schlesische posted:The ACO doesn't have a direct relation in F1. The closest analog elsewhere in racing I can think of would have been Indycar from '79-'95 when CART sanctioned the championship while USAC sanctioned the Indy 500. Another case where one race was more important than the others by far, but even then CART didn't adopt USAC's rules 1:1. (Most notably, the ones allowing and attempting to balance pushrod engines.)
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Jun 18, 2018 14:36
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https://twitter.com/fordperformance/status/1008653451226738688?s=21 Boy that seems like a real dumb oversight
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Jun 18, 2018 15:09
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:https://twitter.com/fordperformance/status/1008653451226738688?s=21 One year the winners of the Bathurst 1000 (Paul Morris/Craig Baird) were disqualified after the race for a maximum stint time violation.
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Jun 18, 2018 15:11
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Theris posted:The closest analog elsewhere in racing I can think of would have been Indycar from '79-'95 when CART sanctioned the championship while USAC sanctioned the Indy 500. Another case where one race was more important than the others by far, but even then CART didn't adopt USAC's rules 1:1. (Most notably, the ones allowing and attempting to balance pushrod engines.) Yep, all because of USAC/IMS's fetish for stock blocks. To be fair, F5000 was awesome. I think someone (I think it was David Hobbes) said that USAC/CART should have just gotten together and re-invented F5000 instead of doing what they did.
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Jun 18, 2018 15:16
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IMS and Indycar is absolutely the ACO's dream scenario vis a vis WEC.
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Jun 18, 2018 16:21
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whereas IMSA's dream scenario was the aerokit Indycar era of manufacturers cheaply getting into the series by making modifications to standard cheap prototype models. 
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Jun 18, 2018 16:32
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Schlesische posted:The ACO doesn't have a direct relation in F1. The FIA is the perfect analogue for the ACO. As in F1, there is a separate organization that manages the commercial rights and logistics (can’t remember what it’s called for the WEC). The ACO sets the calendar, writes the rules, and officiates. Just like in F1 that’s all done by the FIA. FOM didn’t issue F1’s technical rules, that was the FIA.
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Jun 18, 2018 20:39
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G-Drive TDS Oreca excluded from the P2 win, illegal fuel rig modifications gave them an unfair advantage, 4th place TDS Oreca also excluded, promoting #32 UA Ligier (with Montoya) to 3rd
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Jun 18, 2018 23:10
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drgitlin posted:The FIA is the perfect analogue for the ACO. As in F1, there is a separate organization that manages the commercial rights and logistics (can’t remember what it’s called for the WEC). The ACO sets the calendar, writes the rules, and officiates. Just like in F1 that’s all done by the FIA. LMEM
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Jun 18, 2018 23:41
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Feels Villeneuve posted:One year the winners of the Bathurst 1000 (Paul Morris/Craig Baird) were disqualified after the race for a maximum stint time violation. I dont remember that, but good, gently caress Paul Morris!
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Jun 19, 2018 00:39
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:G-Drive TDS Oreca excluded from the P2 win, illegal fuel rig modifications gave them an unfair advantage, 4th place TDS Oreca also excluded, promoting #32 UA Ligier (with Montoya) to 3rd Oooohhhh this is good cheating “Autosport” posted:A stewards' bulletin issued on Monday evening read: "The technical delegates issued a report to the stewards that "an additional machined part not featuring in the drawing is inserted into the flow restrictor, changing the wetted restrictor surface described by the regulatory drawing". Reportedly 6-8 seconds per pit stop. That adds up, but also is some severe cheating.
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Jun 19, 2018 01:55
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Just nullify all this year's Le Mans results and force them to run the race again. This time use a giant roulette wheel to determine who gets the obvious and blatant BoP advantage. Make the Pink Pig coat their steering wheel with bacon grease. Lash Chip Ganassi to the Ferris wheel. Force the hybrids to stop and plug in to a wall socket every 15 laps and make Alonso wear a helmet with a bunch of dicks pointing at his face design. Make Cooper MacNeil turn laps with Ted DiBiase riding shotgun
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Jun 19, 2018 02:09
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harperdc posted:Oooohhhh this is good cheating Aside from that modifying gas delivery the year they allow you to work while they fuel was dangerous as gently caress.
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Jun 19, 2018 02:18
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DogonCrook posted:Aside from that modifying gas delivery the year they allow you to work while they fuel was dangerous as gently caress. IMSA has been doing that for years with no problems.
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Jun 19, 2018 02:29
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an oddly awful oud posted:Just nullify all this year's Le Mans results and force them to run the race again. This time use a giant roulette wheel to determine who gets the obvious and blatant BoP advantage. Make the Pink Pig coat their steering wheel with bacon grease. Lash Chip Ganassi to the Ferris wheel. Force the hybrids to stop and plug in to a wall socket every 15 laps and make Alonso wear a helmet with a bunch of dicks pointing at his face design. Make Cooper MacNeil turn laps with Ted DiBiase riding shotgun I seriously can't state enough how loving bad BoP is as a system and I've got no interest and following the GT classes because of it. Like publish a loving chart that lays out and documents what gets changed depending on how fast you are based on the previous number of races or something and don't do this loving pseudo science bullshit.
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Jun 19, 2018 02:35
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an oddly awful oud posted:Just nullify all this year's Le Mans results and force them to run the race again. This time use a giant roulette wheel to determine who gets the obvious and blatant BoP advantage. Make the Pink Pig coat their steering wheel with bacon grease. Lash Chip Ganassi to the Ferris wheel. Force the hybrids to stop and plug in to a wall socket every 15 laps and make Alonso wear a helmet with a bunch of dicks pointing at his face design. Make Cooper MacNeil turn laps with Ted DiBiase riding shotgun
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1500quidporsche posted:I seriously can't state enough how loving bad BoP is as a system and I've got no interest and following the GT classes because of it. Like publish a loving chart that lays out and documents what gets changed depending on how fast you are based on the previous number of races or something and don't do this loving pseudo science bullshit. Yeah i agree factory teams can get hosed. Might as well just have lawyers litigate what the race results should be in a courtroom and not bother running it.
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Jun 19, 2018 03:07
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harperdc posted:Oooohhhh this is good cheating This is so stupid because it is SO obvious
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Jun 19, 2018 05:05
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The Kimoa Kid posted:This is so stupid because it is SO obvious To be fair the race was rigged and uncompetetive top to bottom, means gently caress all anyways. For all we know their check bounced.
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Jun 19, 2018 07:23
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Tis official, Red Bull will now be throwing Honda under the bus instead of Renault https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-racing-confirms-honda-f1-engine-deal-1046751/?s=1
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Jun 19, 2018 10:21
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:G-Drive TDS Oreca excluded from the P2 win, illegal fuel rig modifications gave them an unfair advantage, 4th place TDS Oreca also excluded, promoting #32 UA Ligier (with Montoya) to 3rd G-Drive contract going elsewhere next year then...
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The Kimoa Kid posted:This is so stupid because it is SO obvious it doesn't even have the excuse the Land Audi did at Daytona 24 -- IMO it's one thing to adjust how your fuel tank takes delivery, it's another to mess with the fueling rig as they've done here.
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