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flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock


bring back hayesing

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Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug

Krankenstyle posted:

are you saying app A can pop over app B?!

I have never seen this

nah but iOS can pop over everything and so it isn't too uncommon to see system prompts over the app you happen to be using

so an app asking for your gmail password can look similar enough to the real prompt that someone might not realize it's the app asking and not core iOS things

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

or a web site doing the asking. there are PoCs out there that look believable

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
lol https://twitter.com/briankrebs/status/1008728266184777729

Meat Beat Agent
Aug 5, 2007

felonious assault with a sproinging boner
your first mistake was putting the internet in your house

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Meat Beat Agent posted:

your first mistake was putting the internet in your house

yeah anyone who's anyone knows the only proper place for the internet is in your butt

Meat Beat Agent
Aug 5, 2007

felonious assault with a sproinging boner
"When Young first reached out to Google in May about his findings, the company replied by closing his bug report with a “Status: Won’t Fix (Intended Behavior)” message. But after being contacted by KrebsOnSecurity, Google changed its tune, saying it planned to ship an update to address the privacy leak in both devices."

[inhales deeply]

lomarf

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Meat Beat Agent posted:

"When Young first reached out to Google in May about his findings, the company replied by closing his bug report with a “Status: Won’t Fix (Intended Behavior)” message. But after being contacted by KrebsOnSecurity, Google changed its tune, saying it planned to ship an update to address the privacy leak in both devices."

[inhales deeply]

lomarf

gently caress google

apseudonym
Feb 25, 2011


One day we'll all learn that "being on the local network means you're safe" is a dumb concept.


But not today :smith:

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS
what are secgoons using for appsec tools?

i found some $$ in our software budget and i'm doing an evaluation of software composition analysis and static analysis tools. super bonus points for cross-ecosystem/language as our software stack covers java, python, ruby, javascript, go, and erlang.

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Last Chance posted:

gently caress google

lol but i mean who is surprised that the default mode for browser requests for location is to accept them on any google device

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Agile Vector posted:

lol but i mean who is surprised that the default mode for browser requests for location is to accept them on any google device
maybe you should check out the android dyp thread some time

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



anthonypants posted:

maybe you should check out the android dyp thread some time

i legitimately stopped after s but because it was everyone there had stockrom syndrome, but maybe its time for a return

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Agile Vector posted:

lol but i mean who is surprised that the default mode for browser requests for location is to accept them on any google device

the chromecast isn't actually providing location

it's just providing a list of nearby wifi networks and their signal strengths...

...and then sends it to Google Maps, which triangulates the position using the detailed database of WiFi locations that every location-enabled Google device sends to Google

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



it is partly concerning but also impressive how effective that kind of triangulation is

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Main Paineframe posted:

the chromecast isn't actually providing location

it's just providing a list of nearby wifi networks and their signal strengths...

...and then sends it to Google Maps, which triangulates the position using the detailed database of WiFi locations that every location-enabled Google device sends to Google

also it's providing location in a way arbitrary js running in a browser that can see the chomecast can get it

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

I just had to update the firmware on my electrical outlet to patch security issues, presumably so my appliances don't catch a nasty case of the cryptos or something.

Even though it was easy and went off without a hitch I still want to go on record as saying the future is dumb as hell.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Wasn’t there something about people bricking smart lightbulbs not too long ago?

Bricking. loving. Lightbulbs.

I give it 20 years until civilization is destroyed by firmware updates.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

better than that

https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/999619364541394944

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



mrmcd posted:

I just had to update the firmware on my electrical outlet to patch security issues, presumably so my appliances don't catch a nasty case of the cryptos or something.

Even though it was easy and went off without a hitch I still want to go on record as saying the future is dumb as hell.

OK but presumably you bought and installed an internet connected outlet?

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

mrmcd posted:

I just had to update the firmware on my electrical outlet to patch security issues, presumably so my appliances don't catch a nasty case of the cryptos or something.

Even though it was easy and went off without a hitch I still want to go on record as saying the future is dumb as hell.
I work in IT, my wife develops software as a good part of her job, and we purposefully have no IoT device in our home beyond the media player. It's just not worth the hassle.

geonetix
Mar 6, 2011


kind reminder that companies will treat your phone, car, home router, etc also as connected devices and they tend to send more info home than you'd like

it's just the term iot that makes it worse

geonetix
Mar 6, 2011


even the Samsung tvs that threw everything you said near it back to Samsung comes to mind. its nuts

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

Munkeymon posted:

OK but presumably you bought and installed an internet connected outlet?

Yeah because I'm a pampered baby who wants to switch on my AC when I leave the office so my apartment is cool and comfortable when I get home.

Like the failure mode is my apartment is warm and then I plug my dumb AC into the dumb electrical outlet again.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
my ac that cost under 500 euros has a clock and a timer feature where I can set when it turns on. :wtc:

Andohz
Aug 15, 2004

World's Strongest Smelly Hobo

mrmcd posted:

Yeah because I'm a pampered baby who wants to switch on my AC when I leave the office so my apartment is cool and comfortable when I get home.

Like the failure mode is my apartment is warm and then I plug my dumb AC into the dumb electrical outlet again burns down.

I like the idea of IoT stuff except that the level of security I would want would probably make them too expensive.

Andohz fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Jun 19, 2018

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

mrmcd posted:

Yeah because I'm a pampered baby who wants to switch on my AC when I leave the office so my apartment is cool and comfortable when I get home.

Like the failure mode is my apartment is warm and then I plug my dumb AC into the dumb electrical outlet again.
Can you not like use a mechanical 24H timer? We use them for xmas lights and stuff, they work great.

geonetix posted:

kind reminder that companies will treat your phone, car, home router, etc also as connected devices and they tend to send more info home than you'd like

it's just the term iot that makes it worse
totes agree. we have no car/tv's, wifi-enabled anything except mobile phones. They're apple which imo is the least bad option in that respect.

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

evil_bunnY posted:

Can you not like use a mechanical 24H timer? We use them for xmas lights and stuff, they work great.

Yeah but sometimes I go do things after work and don't come home until later, or travel for a week, etc.

Like I said it's not actually necessary, I'm just a big dumb pampered tech baby and it was only like $30 (plus the wifi native smart AC units are like +$150 and all have dogshit reviews).

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

mrmcd posted:

Like I said it's not actually necessary, I'm just a big dumb pampered tech baby and it was only like $30 (plus the wifi native smart AC units are like +$150 and all have dogshit reviews).
That's the worse part of it too, all the integrated units are complete dogshit because surprise surprise appliance makers wouldn't know software lifecycle if it them in the face with a dryer.

Loky11
Dec 12, 2006

Pull on the new flesh like borrowed gloves and burn your fingers once again
If you're gonna leak national security stuff, at least do the basics of opsec

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvn83q/joshua-schulte-cia-vault-7-wikileaks-opsec

or the govt will get you on kiddie porn charges while they wait for the treason case to be built

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Loky11 posted:

If you're gonna leak national security stuff, at least do the basics of opsec

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvn83q/joshua-schulte-cia-vault-7-wikileaks-opsec

or the govt will get you on kiddie porn charges while they wait for the treason case to be built

they learned nothing from reality winner

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...

Andohz posted:

I like the idea of IoT stuff except that the level of security I would want would probably make them too expensive.

become a jtag juggler and hack up others devices?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
not a secfuck by itself but
https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1009014925493075969
ooooh boy does this bode well, javascript instructions directly on our cpus, the future so bright

like nukular hellfire

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

other than the name, what does it have to do with JavaScript?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Truga posted:

not a secfuck by itself but
https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1009014925493075969
ooooh boy does this bode well, javascript instructions directly on our cpus, the future so bright

like nukular hellfire

jazellescript?

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Subjunctive posted:

other than the name, what does it have to do with JavaScript?

I think it means like the asm.js optimised stuff that tries to use normal integers rather than JavaScript's native love of double-precision floating point. The "fixed-point" shouldn't have been in that message.

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

Who cares, as long as it makes websites run faster on my device

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Raere posted:

Who cares, as long as it makes websites run faster on my device

A processor which is totally incapable of running javascript would do a better job by this metric.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

MrMoo posted:

I think it means like the asm.js optimised stuff that tries to use normal integers rather than JavaScript's native love of double-precision floating point. The "fixed-point" shouldn't have been in that message.

it’s also in the description on the site

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Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe

MrMoo posted:

I think it means like the asm.js optimised stuff that tries to use normal integers rather than JavaScript's native love of double-precision floating point. The "fixed-point" shouldn't have been in that message.

It's not asm.js-optimized stuff. Any bitwise operation first converts the float to a 32-bit integer. It does this by lopping off the fractional component, and then setting the rest to be the whole component mod 2^32. That's all this operation does. It could probably be used by a lot of C programs, too.

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