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sleeptalker: Feb 17, 2011

CharlestheHammer posted:

eh it fits the people this thread is about use the same rhetoric

Very bad people on both sides.

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Your Gay Uncle: Feb 16, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Nebakenezzer posted:

Bioshock Infinite starts and you think this game could go anywhere, but as the game progresses it gets dumber and dumber, squandering everything the game does right to progress its incoherent story

Don't bring up 18th century racism and class oppression so you can just use it as window-dressing in a shooter

Don't have a literal goddamn revolution in the second act, and then treat it as totally meaningless

Don't constantly pretend like choices matter when the entire goddamn game is on rails like Half Life

(Also don't have a expansion pack that follows the exact same pattern: set up things so that it seems like anything to happen, only to strangle the whole thing through your desire to emotionally gently caress with the player and retconning the series so that you are the prime mover, not others)

My personal idea for fixing all of this (like we were in the middle of production and could see the problems): make it a comedy

Make the villain a 19th century American like Andrew Jackson or General Custer, who through shenanigans gains the ability first to see the future, and then to alter it. He sees where we are today: No Slavery! Race mixing! An aristocracy of wealth rather than of breeding! and is appalled. So, through shenaigans and probability he becomes like a person playing an RPG or Hearts of Iron or something: he can save and load at will, allowing him to alter the timeline into ever more improbable states while he tries to protect the values of a 19th century aristocrat. As he protects this center the rest of the world makes less and less sense, and you get hauled in to stop him - even though he has this unlimited saving and loading power which makes him invincible. If some of the Genuinely kickass people who caused positive change in America to be your Allies, that'd be good. John Brown and Fredrick Douglas come to mind, as do U.S. Grant, Harriet Tubman and William Tecumseh Sherman. Also if boss fighters were the most reactionary assholes in American History, that'd be very satisfying to riddle with bullets/blow up.

And you could keep your (admittedly awesome) old timey covers of modern songs, have your Eliza be the new Alyx, etc

If you wanna examine 19th/early 20th century American history, DIVE THE gently caress IN, don't just use it for texture. It is filled with gaping prolapsed anuses and incredible heroes, and sometimes odd mixtures of the two

(Also don't have the heroine casually murder the super big-daddy now that he's no longer useful)

I never really saw the Vox storyline as " Both oppression and revolutions are equally as bad if you actually think about it" , but more as Booker is an inherently destructive person who corrupts and destroys anything he touches. The Vox don't really do any of the hosed up poo poo until the timelines merge/change/whatever the gently caress happened and they end up in a timeline where Booker was at the head of the Revolution with Daisy. He was responsible for filling the Vox ethos with hate and vengeance, the same way he created the horrible oppression in Columbia. At least this is what I think the designers were trying to go for, like 75% of the game it was horribly mismanaged and they dropped the ball pretty hard. I totally understand why people would think they boiled it down to " the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you loving moron" though, they did a really poor job of getting their point across.
The making of Infinite seems like a pretty interesting story, it seems like Levine was huffing his own farts for years about how revolutionary Bioshock was and assumed he could just capture lightning in a bottle again. They cycled through several different builds with Levine changing levels they had spent years making just on a whim, changing fundamental game mechanics at the last second and falling back on " I guess they have plasmids for some reason". The worst part is how under rated Bioshock 2 is, especially Minerva's Den which I think is the best Bioshock dlc available. If you can get past the idiotic morality system you'll find Bioshock 2 is clearly the superior Bioshock.
:goonsay:

# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:31

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

https://twitter.com/Anawnnemus/status/1008765330045489152

# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:36

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

Race Realists posted:

https://twitter.com/Anawnnemus/status/1008765330045489152

wait I recognize the AV, are you butt cord

# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:37

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

mandatory lesbian posted:

Haha cuz only women argue amirite???!

Like what is this sexist crap of a post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuq6HgKgEFQ&t=211s

# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:39

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

sleeptalker posted:

Very bad people on both sides.

I meant the people who this thread is about? They are on the same side

# ? Jun 18, 2018 18:51

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Your Gay Uncle posted:

I never really saw the Vox storyline as " Both oppression and revolutions are equally as bad if you actually think about it" , but more as Booker is an inherently destructive person who corrupts and destroys anything he touches. The Vox don't really do any of the hosed up poo poo until the timelines merge/change/whatever the gently caress happened and they end up in a timeline where Booker was at the head of the Revolution with Daisy. He was responsible for filling the Vox ethos with hate and vengeance, the same way he created the horrible oppression in Columbia. At least this is what I think the designers were trying to go for, like 75% of the game it was horribly mismanaged and they dropped the ball pretty hard. I totally understand why people would think they boiled it down to " the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you loving moron" though, they did a really poor job of getting their point across.
The making of Infinite seems like a pretty interesting story, it seems like Levine was huffing his own farts for years about how revolutionary Bioshock was and assumed he could just capture lightning in a bottle again. They cycled through several different builds with Levine changing levels they had spent years making just on a whim, changing fundamental game mechanics at the last second and falling back on " I guess they have plasmids for some reason". The worst part is how under rated Bioshock 2 is, especially Minerva's Den which I think is the best Bioshock dlc available. If you can get past the idiotic morality system you'll find Bioshock 2 is clearly the superior Bioshock.

good points. never thought of it that way. booker basicaly turns anything he touchs to poo poo and so the vox turns to poo poo. on levine, yeah pretty much. he kept remaking the game like 5 times and it shows.

on your other topic. I like 2 a bunch(both the main story and minervas den) because they are smaller more personal stories with interesting themes. plus i find lamb way more hateble then ryan. ryan is an evil gently caress who became a pathetic tyrant who starts hanging people on walls once he starts getting outplayed in the market. Lamb is awful because she could theoretically bring rapture back or at least let people get the gently caress out but instead is an rear end in a top hat who cares only about herself and wants to force her daughter to be some hivemind for no one and once she loses, she is fine with basically killing everyone. ryan and her are two sides of the same lovely coin.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:10

Serf: May 5, 2011

Race Realists posted:

https://twitter.com/Anawnnemus/status/1008765330045489152

lmao my brother lived in one of those neighborhoods for 6 months and not a drat thing happened to him. the place was festooned with bernie signs too

"did you know your neighborhood has a different name than the one you call it?" gently caress off

# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:14

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001

I think that's enough about Bioshock for now, fellas.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:18

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

Serf posted:

lmao my brother lived in one of those neighborhoods for 6 months and not a drat thing happened to him. the place was festooned with bernie signs too

"did you know your neighborhood has a different name than the one you call it?" gently caress off

a certain type of Suburbian/Exurbian Small-Business Owner (or just your regular White Nationalist) sociopath gravitaite towards YouTube channels like this

they can usually be seen online openly stating their violent gun fantasies of what they want to do with "Hip Hop Thugs"

they have permeated America like a cancer :smith:

# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:21

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

nopantsjack posted:

This is just a republican though?

I mean... a brain damaged one but ideologically thats what all yank right wingers are like right?

One thing that gives me hope that Trump will ruin everything right wing is that he actually says what the other cons dogwhistle and hedge about

# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:30

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Nebakenezzer posted:

One thing that gives me hope that Trump will ruin everything right wing is that he actually says what the other cons dogwhistle and hedge about

Yes that'd be great if he wasn't increasing to record popularity as news of literal gooddamn concentration camps come out.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:32

The Atomic Man-Boy: Jul 23, 2007

[url] https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/cursing-truck-driver-hit-protester-outside-jeff-sessions-speech-new-orleans-police-didnt-stop/amp/[/url]

Man in truck yells at protesters, who are protesting Jeff Sessions� policy of putting children in concentration camps, then hits a woman and drives away.

Cops A-Ok with it, don�t file charges.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 19:45

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

ikanreed posted:

Yes that'd be great if he wasn't increasing to record popularity as news of literal gooddamn concentration camps come out.

I just read that his approval rating is decreasing.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:11

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

ikanreed posted:

Yes that'd be great if he wasn't increasing to record popularity as news of literal gooddamn concentration camps come out.

eh the polls are always a week behind the news cycle. Now if by july theres no drop :yikes:

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:18

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

This country deserves another civil war.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:20

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

ikanreed posted:

Yes that'd be great if he wasn't increasing to record popularity as news of literal gooddamn concentration camps come out.

The operative phrase there is long term, friend

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:28

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

This country deserves another civil war.

Welp, good news! iIf you look to federal political run-up to the last civil war, there are similarities

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:33

RedneckwithGuns: Mar 28, 2007; Up Next:
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

This country deserves another civil war.

Ha it's gonna take something on the order of the political realignment led by the Allies in Germany and Japan post-WWII for us to get out of this poo poo

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:38

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Welp, good news! iIf you look to federal political run-up to the last civil war, there are similarities

I am waiting for the fistcuffs and canings to break out again.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:41

SpaceGoku: Jul 19, 2011

RedneckwithGuns posted:

Ha it's gonna take something on the order of the political realignment led by the Allies in Germany and Japan post-WWII for us to get out of this poo poo

europe going fash again, japan getting hopped up on that militarism once more, and the US returning to an isolationist policy would fit that bill

[holds finger to ear piece] I'm being told this would make things significantly worse for everyone

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:42

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

Dapper_Swindler posted:

I am waiting for the fistcuffs and canings to break out again.

Aside from this runup to civil war, have there been any *other* times when there was violence in the house or senate? Vietnam was hella divisive

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:52

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001

Nebakenezzer posted:

Aside from this runup to civil war, have there been any *other* times when there was violence in the house or senate? Vietnam was hella divisive

There's nothing nearly as intense as the crisis period violence in Congress, but there was a fistfight or two following the occupation of the Philippines in the early 20th century if I remember right, and I wanna say a couple congressmen got into a slapfight of some sort in the mid 80s over namecalling?

# ? Jun 18, 2018 20:56

SpaceGoku: Jul 19, 2011

the dems are too bloodless and weak to commit to risking getting a bloody knuckle for any reason these days

they would just limply take the beatings

# ? Jun 18, 2018 21:05

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

Captain_Maclaine posted:

There's nothing nearly as intense as the crisis period violence in Congress, but there was a fistfight or two following the occupation of the Philippines in the early 20th century if I remember right, and I wanna say a couple congressmen got into a slapfight of some sort in the mid 80s over namecalling?

Quick googling brought me to Wikipedia's 'legeslative violence' page. The UK is just above the USA:

quote:

31 January 1972

During a dispute over the conduct of British soldiers on Bloody Sunday on the day before, Independent Socialist MP Bernadette Devlin punched the Conservative Party Home Secretary Reginald Maudling. Her aggression was in response to the comments made by Maudling, who was maintaining that the British Army had fired at Bloody Sunday protesters in self-defence, contrary to the testimonies of civilian eyewitnesses (including Devlin herself). She argued that she was being denied the right to speak. Her actions resulted in her being banned from the House of Commons for six months.

27 May 1976

In the aftermath of a rancorous debate with Labour MPs over the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Bill, Conservative Michael Heseltine was enraged by a group who began singing The Red Flag. He seized the chamber's ceremonial mace and brandished it over his head, but was restrained by Jim Prior, and after his departure legislative action was suspended for the day.[105]

Americans my not be familiar, but the UK and Canada at least have this weird fetish for black rods and ceremonial maces and such. Them being used in a actual fight is basically the best thing ever, too bad the battle was never joined, I'd allow a hammer to the reds

quote:

15 February 1798

Federalist Congressman Roger Griswold of Connecticut attacked Vermont Representative Matthew Lyon with a hickory walking stick in the chambers of the United States House of Representatives. Griswold struck Lyon repeatedly about the head, shoulders and arms, while Lyon attempted to shield himself from the blows. Lyon then turned and ran to the fireplace, took up a pair of metal tongs, and having armed himself thus returned to the engagement. Griswold then tripped Lyon and struck him in the face while he lay on the ground, at which point the two were separated. After a break of several minutes, however, Lyon unexpectedly pursued Griswold again with the tongs, and the brawl was re-ignited.

The two men had a prior history of conflict. On January 30 of that year, Griswold had publicly insulted Lyon by calling him a coward, and Lyon had retaliated by spitting in Griswold's face. As a result of Lyon's actions in that case, he became the first Congressman to have charges filed against him with that body's ethics committee, although he escaped censure through a vote in the House.

4 December 1837 (this is a state house, but still)

John Wilson, the speaker of the Arkansas House of Representatives and president of the Arkansas Real Estate Bank, stabbed Representative J. J. Anthony to death during a legislative dispute on the floor of the chamber.[106] Anthony had suggested that bounties for the killing of wolves be administered by the president of the state bank, a responsibility comically beneath an official of Wilson's stature. Incensed, he drew a bowie knife and attacked Anthony, who was unable to defend himself despite drawing a knife of his own. Although Wilson was expelled from his office, he was later acquitted of murder.[107][108]

24 February 1887 (another state house)
The Indiana General Assembly experienced a massive brawl between Democrats and Republicans in the Indiana Senate and Indiana House of Representatives. The event began as an attempt by Democratic Governor Isaac P. Gray to be elected to the United States Senate and his own party�s attempt to thwart him. Gray was a former Republican who had been elected Governor by popular vote but was scorned as a turncoat by his new party, who maneuvered desperately (and unsuccessfully) to try to prevent his eligibility for the Senate seat. When Gray went over the head of the Democrats in arranging a midterm election for a new Lieutenant Governor, Republican Robert S. Robertson was elected with a majority of the popular vote, a situation the Democrats refused to accept despite a ruling from the Indiana Supreme Court. The matter came to a head when Robertson attempted to enter the Senate chamber to be sworn in and take his seat presiding over the session; he was attacked, beaten, and thrown bodily from the chamber by the Democrats, who then locked the chamber door, beginning four hours of intermittent mass brawling that spread throughout the Indiana Statehouse. The fight ended only after Republicans and Democrats began brandishing pistols and threatening to kill each other and the Governor was forced to deploy the Indianapolis Police Department to restore order. Subsequently, the Republican controlled House of Representatives refused to communicate with the Democratic Senate, ending the legislative session and leading to calls for United States Senators to be elected by popular vote.

20 February 1902 (More southerners poo poo-talking)

During a debate on a bill dealing with the Philippine Islands, Senator Benjamin Tillman of South Carolina accused Senator John L. McLaurin of South Carolina of "treachery" for siding with the Republicans in support of Philippine annexation, and alleged that McLaurin had been granted control of government patronage in South Carolina. Upon receiving word of this statement, McLaurin entered the Senate Chamber and denounced Tillman, upon which Tillman attacked him. During the fight, other senators were hit by the punches. As a result, the Senate went into closed session to debate the matter. Both senators apologized to the Senate, but almost came to blows immediately thereafter. On February 28, the Senate voted 54 to 12, with 22 abstentions, to Censure both Tillman and McLaurin. McLaurin did not seek reelection, while Tillman served in the Senate until 1918.

There was a dust-up in the 1980s but compared to murder on the floor of the house or the pre-civil war era it's pretty juvenile

According to the article there have been four or five incidents in state houses since 2007.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 21:13

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

nopantsjack posted:

This is just a republican though?

I mean... a brain damaged one but ideologically thats what all yank right wingers are like right?

There�s a code they�re supposed to use. This is at about the level of a drunk racist uncle at Christmas dinner, the kind that doesn�t dispute that he�s racist and thinks it�s good to be racist.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 21:38

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

A good-sized segment of Trump's base likes it that he doesn't use dog whistles (the rest groan and say they are "deeply concerned" when he doesn't dog whistle).

These are people who will generally slam "political correctness" and like politicians who "tell it like it is", which is, a little ironically, them using dog whistles without being conscious of it.

# ? Jun 18, 2018 22:06

CheeseSpawn: Sep 15, 2004; Doctor Rope

Jose posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1008492216229269504

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1008498096379228161

Sweet has the dark web responded by saying these people were driven to the far right because the left was calling them far right?

"Well they're calling us nazis, might as well be one!" :rolleyes:

# ? Jun 19, 2018 02:17

Mr Interweb: Aug 25, 2004

CheeseSpawn posted:

Sweet has the dark web responded by saying these people were driven to the far right because the left was calling them far right?

"Well they're calling us nazis, might as well be one!"

Pretty sure Sargon has, and that other weirdo Styxhammer666whatever the gently caress definitely outright came and used that excuse a few months ago.

# ? Jun 19, 2018 02:21

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

Mr Interweb posted:

Pretty sure Sargon has, and that other weirdo Styxhammer666whatever the gently caress definitely outright came and used that excuse a few months ago.

For some reason you're supposed to agree with the nazi here

# ? Jun 19, 2018 02:28

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Aside from this runup to civil war, have there been any *other* times when there was violence in the house or senate? Vietnam was hella divisive

no idea but there is book coming out in a couple months about the legislative violence in the crisis times.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0374154775/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

CheeseSpawn posted:

Sweet has the dark web responded by saying these people were driven to the far right because the left was calling them far right?

"Well they're calling us nazis, might as well be one!"

i like that even UKIP knows this people are nutty assholes.

# ? Jun 19, 2018 02:28

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Mr Interweb posted:

Pretty sure Sargon has, and that other weirdo Styxhammer666whatever the gently caress definitely outright came and used that excuse a few months ago.

why not just go further left then. most of the people these morons bitch about(outside concepts in general) are centrist libs. just go leftward. like its not hard "to trigger libs" just go leftward.

Dapper_Swindler has issued a correction as of 02:40 on Jun 19, 2018

# ? Jun 19, 2018 02:31

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Dapper_Swindler posted:

why not just go further left then. most of the people these morons bitch about(outside concepts in general) are centrist libs. just go leftward. like its not hard "to trigger libs" just go leftward.

But if they go left then they'll never be millionaires.

# ? Jun 19, 2018 02:50

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Dapper_Swindler posted:

why not just go further left then. most of the people these morons bitch about(outside concepts in general) are centrist libs. just go leftward. like its not hard "to trigger libs" just go leftward.

Cause they were always actually fascists

# ? Jun 19, 2018 02:51

Zokari: Jul 23, 2007

420 Gank Mid posted:

For some reason you're supposed to agree with the nazi here

every time i see one of these i think it takes a year off my life

# ? Jun 19, 2018 03:00

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Ugly signs but funny thread:

https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1008411589278511104
https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1008428736155275264
https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1008446967473565696
Tiny's ribs: still broken it seems

Edit: I'm currently out in the middle of nowhere where there are more cows than people so haven't seen the thread in a bit. I am communing with the hamburger meat in its natural element.

:gonchar:

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 07:54 on Jun 19, 2018

# ? Jun 19, 2018 07:46

Party Boat: Nov 1, 2007; where did that other dog come from

who is he

CheeseSpawn posted:

Sweet has the dark web responded by saying these people were driven to the far right because the left was calling them far right?

"Well they're calling us nazis, might as well be one!"

Uh yeah "the dark web"

Byolante posted:

Of you keep calling somebody fash long enough eventually they stop trying to help your side. What a shocking and unprecedented turn of events!

# ? Jun 19, 2018 08:48

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Byolante posted:

Because the left decided that quoting rap lyrics on Instagram is a hate crime.

Also bet the Scots are pleased they voted snp and Tory instead of labor now lol

# ? Jun 19, 2018 09:19

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/JeffSchogol/status/1008832894998020096

# ? Jun 19, 2018 10:52

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Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/JeffSchogol/status/1008832894998020096

Marched in the rally, bragged about beating up a woman, then was dumb enough to lie about it afterwards. Guy was a Marine through and through.

# ? Jun 19, 2018 12:46

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