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MonsterEnvy posted:This is the part I don't agree with. It's largely because I am a bleeding heart who heavily believes in atonement and second chances. Particularly if the person genuinely wants to atone. My point was more from a meta-perspective. Forgiveness is obviously within the province of those wronged, but to have one of your fictional characters forgive another of your fictional characters for fictional spousal abuse is a bit  It's a high-risk prospect mired in a lot of people's actual feelings on the topic, and the author should feel that they have a duty to not portray it with too much levity. I get why it puts people off, is what I mean.
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she didn't even say a single thing about forgiving him she even specifically said she's scared of him and can never understand him all she did was acknowledge that endeavor isn't trying to act like nothing happened
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Shere posted:My point was more from a meta-perspective. Forgiveness is obviously within the province of those wronged, but to have one of your fictional characters forgive another of your fictional characters for fictional spousal abuse is a bit Naruto: Man, the guy who murdered Neji like 2 hours ago is the coolest - Naruto: So you're not gonna try to destroy Konoha anymore are you Orochimaru: Nah, that's out of my system now. Naruto: You also gonna stop conducting grossly unethical experiments, stealing the bodies of others, and dissecting children? Orochimaru: no Naruto: okay then house arrest it is
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Jun 20, 2018 04:09
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I still love this image so much.
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Patware posted:she didn't even say a single thing about forgiving him Yeah, I feel like there's this super weird read where people want to make forgiveness and redemption a binary thing when it's really not. We already see shades of this with Todoroki; he still obviously hates his father, but he's willing to use his fire powers now and he's willing to respect his father's prowess and skill enough to temporarily put his anger and dislike aside to understand that he can learn from him. That's progression. Endeavor's wife trying to come to terms with what Endeavor did and recognizing that Endeavor isn't a 100% pure monster is progression; he didn't flip a switch and everything is good now, and there's nothing to suggest that she's jumping at the chance to have a one to one chat with him.
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Fabricated posted:
Hey that did not happen. Orochimaru is free to come and go from his house as he pleases. Someone just keeps an eye on him.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Hey that did not happen. Orochimaru is free to come and go from his house as he pleases. Someone just keeps an eye on him. also unless boruto has said more than i saw he pretty much has stopped all that also it's kinda dumb to bring up because naruto's whole thing was explicitly to forgive the unforgivable to end the near constant cycle of violence that ran his world
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Hey so I'm pretty sure the "coolest guy" thing comes with an implied disclaimer of "You know, before he went crazy." Orochimaru, on the other hand, is a case of "You're too much of a pain in the rear end to kill and if we did you'd bullshit your way back to life anyway, so gently caress it."
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I like that he keeps up his fire beard and stache even in his civilian outfit.
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Horikoshi gives everything a lot of thought and My Hero Academia is great
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Elfgames posted:also unless boruto has said more than i saw he pretty much has stopped all that
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Kanos posted:Yeah, I feel like there's this super weird read where people want to make forgiveness and redemption a binary thing when it's really not. We already see shades of this with Todoroki; he still obviously hates his father, but he's willing to use his fire powers now and he's willing to respect his father's prowess and skill enough to temporarily put his anger and dislike aside to understand that he can learn from him. That's progression. Endeavor's wife trying to come to terms with what Endeavor did and recognizing that Endeavor isn't a 100% pure monster is progression; he didn't flip a switch and everything is good now, and there's nothing to suggest that she's jumping at the chance to have a one to one chat with him. Exactly, I get that Jump doesn't have the best track record in dealing with abuse. But people are jumping at Horikoshi's throat for stuff that has not happened yet. Every step of the way, every character has had the same reaction to Endeavor. He's a lovely human, but there is something more there. He's not a one-note character so this poo poo is complicated. It's almost like a real person. And that makes his story way more interesting.
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For what it's worth, I have no problem with the direction of things and also haven't seen any indication that the situation is going to be mishandled, I was just stating my overall trepedation with the situation. I think Endeavor is plenty interesting, even if I don't like him, and I'm digging his dynamic with Hawks. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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Jun 20, 2018 15:28
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The whole thing is just a complete non-starter for me. I just don't give a poo poo about Endeavor except for the fear of the incoming walkback. I don't care about him trying to be better. I don't care about his internal struggles. I want to see literally anything else. I realize that's on me and it's because of my personal experiences that nobody else probably shares, but it doesn't change the way I feel. Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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Jun 20, 2018 15:33
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Blockhouse posted:The whole thing is just a complete non-starter for me. I just don't give a poo poo about Endeavor except for the fear of the incoming walkback. I don't care about him trying to be better. I don't care about his internal struggles. I want to see literally anything else. I am fairly certain other people share it. But yeah your own experiences can change how one views a story and that's not wrong. As this is ultimately a subjective thing.
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MonsterEnvy posted:He does not look like Kurogiri at all and has shown no instances of using Kurogiri's quirk. There are rumors of Nomu sightings but nothing that says High End is teleporting. We're shown that he's basically Valfalk in his first panel, which very clearly accounts for his being seen across the country.
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Blockhouse posted:The whole thing is just a complete non-starter for me. I just don't give a poo poo about Endeavor except for the fear of the incoming walkback. I don't care about him trying to be better. I don't care about his internal struggles. I want to see literally anything else. There's stuff that just can't be forgiven, and there are people that you sometimes just have to cut out of your life.
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i don't mind people earnestly wanting nothing to do with it i do take issue when people willfully misinterpret the text to strengthen their argument, is all. not trying to say anyone's vehement dislike of the World's Worst Dad (finally, goku dethroned) is invalid
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This tweet reflects perfectly what I think about this arc and Endeavor https://twitter.com/thatmightyheart/status/1009479706733735936 lunar detritus fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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Jun 20, 2018 18:40
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Goku? Hell, Endeavor outdoes Gendo Ikari.
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PMush Perfect posted:Goku? Hell, Endeavor outdoes Gendo Ikari. Exactly where my mind went, too. A deconstruction of Goku's parenting (Abridged) already unseats actual Goku.
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PMush Perfect posted:Goku? Hell, Endeavor outdoes Gendo Ikari. Azami however is still probably worse
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PMush Perfect posted:Goku? Hell, Endeavor outdoes Gendo Ikari. There is no way he is worse then Gendo Ikari.
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MonsterEnvy posted:There is no way he is worse then Gendo Ikari. Endeavor's missing the cloning and loveless manipulative affairs to be worse than Gendo Ikari. He's gotten kind of close to that level although him realizing and caring how he messed up has already bumped him up more towards Goku levels of bad parenting (still way worse than that of course.)
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galenanorth posted:Horikoshi gives everything a lot of thought and My Hero Academia is great It's good that Horikoshi thinks that way but it doesn't matter what he thinks--the AssClass situation that everyone's afraid of seeing repeated was obviously an editor slamming down on the plot.
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Rhonne posted:I wonder if we'll ever see Deku's dad? It's Gendo Ikari.
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Dad's don't exist in Shounen.
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All we know is that he's got a flame breath quirk and he's working in America. I assume he's a rapper.
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Rich Uncle Chet posted:Dad's don't exist in Shounen. That's a pretty rough way to treat Mr. Piccolo and Krillin, Chet.
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Rich Uncle Chet posted:Dad's don't exist in Shounen. What about Souma’s dad and Goku?
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Mister Olympus posted:It's good that Horikoshi thinks that way but it doesn't matter what he thinks--the AssClass situation that everyone's afraid of seeing repeated was obviously an editor slamming down on the plot. to be quite fuckin honest the AssClass parental abuse plotline wasn't exactly being well-done to begin with
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Zomborgon posted:All we know is that he's got a flame breath quirk and he's working in America. I hope the twist on his quirk is that he can only shoot fire if he breaths it in from an outside source. It's super weird that Deku's dad hasn't been brought up at all since the first chapter. Like, I know he's supposed to be working overseas, but he's never even called or anything and Deku doesn't talk about him at all. Do you think his dad even knows he's at UA?
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Rhonne posted:I hope the twist on his quirk is that he can only shoot fire if he breaths it in from an outside source. Deku's dad long divorced Mom Deku and was thus banished from the world for his bad tastes.
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Has anyone made the completely unnecessary comparison between Hawks and Archangel from the X-Men yet?
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Zomborgon posted:All we know is that he's got a flame breath quirk and he's working in America. oh god he's a juggalo?
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Kild posted:oh god he's a juggalo? There's a reason why they don't talk about him.
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