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I also own a Hartke kickback. Useful boy.
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I play guitar, but I've recently been thinking about getting a bass because I noticed that what I really like about a lot of songs is their bass. I also recently found out that the bass in "7 nation army" by The White Stripes was done by running a guitar through a Digitech Whammy. So: what are the practical differences between a bass and a guitar pitch-shifted down to the bass register? Eg: do techniques like slap bass just not work if you try to do it on a pitch-shifted guitar?
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Jun 16, 2018 11:10
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A lot of the bass's character comes from getting physical with big ol' strings, and I don't think you'll be able to capture any of that on a pitch-shifted guitar.
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Jun 16, 2018 11:32
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The sound is different, and slap on a guitar just doesn't work. If you're in any way into djent, try comparing the sound of an 8 string downtuned guitar with a bass. In certain contexts you can get close with stuff like a whammy, but I really recommend picking up a bass instead.
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Jun 16, 2018 12:15
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It's like the difference between someone with a deep resonant voice, and someone trying to fake it by talking as low as possible. Sure you can hit the same pitches, but the guitar sounds flat and flabby in comparison And yeah like someone said the playing technique is completely different because of the physical character of the bass - thick, widely spaced strings on a long neck. And how you play is a big part of the sound you get You can slap on guitar (some players have a whole style based around it), but you're not probably gonna get anything like a slap bass tone, especially if you're pitch shifting. Slap bass typically has this very tight sound, with all the bright percussive sounds and popped notes emphasised while still keeping the low end. Pitch shifting an octave down tends to have the opposite effect Get a bass they're fun 
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Jun 16, 2018 14:45
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That makes a lot of sense. Thinking about it, I guess slap bass does have a higher pitched attack which would also get shifted down and sound weird.
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Jun 16, 2018 15:52
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Yeah I think it's pretty common to have a setup geared towards slap if you're doing it properly too - heavy compression to get it all even and solid, a bit of overdrive, EQed to push those higher frequencies or even straight-up active pickups. And steel roundwound strings for that extra sparkle I mean it's probably possible to get an ok slap tone out of a guitar if you're willing to process it hard enough? Maybe an exciter to add back those upper harmonics you've pitch shifted out of the fun zone, multiband compressor to tame the club. Could be a fun challenge! But that's if you're willing to go that far, who knows if it would work well, and you're still gonna find it hard to convincingly slap and pop those tiny strings packed together
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Jun 16, 2018 16:44
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Only a complete dork would slap a guitar. Whoever you're about to offer as a counterexample, yes, they're a complete dork.
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Jun 16, 2018 16:50
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baka kaba posted:Get a bass they're fun
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Jun 16, 2018 17:14
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Anime Reference posted:Only a complete dork would slap a guitar. Whoever you're about to offer as a counterexample, yes, they're a complete dork.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nhrCgqRg4A
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Jun 16, 2018 17:22
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That is exactly the counterexample I expected, and yeah, dork city.
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Jun 16, 2018 17:41
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Just to be clear, only the guitar part of that is dorky?
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Jun 16, 2018 18:34
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Gorgar posted:Just to be clear, only the guitar part of that is dorky? It’s all dorkimus maximus The only guitar slapping I like is Animals as Leaders who use thumb technique to do some really interesting chug rythyms.
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Jun 16, 2018 18:48
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Abasi is an alien hybrid though so it’s cool.
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Jun 16, 2018 18:57
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Kilometers Davis posted:Abasi is an alien hybrid though so it’s cool. you're in all the good threads 
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Jun 16, 2018 19:48
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more proof that slap guitar sounds loving awful and is done by complete dorks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC9QTHv2eQ4
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Jun 16, 2018 21:32
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Bottom Liner posted:you're in all the good threads yeah I waste too much time on our beautiful dead comedy forum, I get it 
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Jun 16, 2018 21:35
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Anime Reference posted:Only a complete dork would slap a guitar. Whoever you're about to offer as a counterexample, yes, they're a complete dork. When I say slapping a guitar I'm more on about "percussive guitar" or whatever, like this kind of thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4cJ4wviwS8 or some hardcore flamenco styles. Percussion is cool doing that on a bass is better than doing slap bass on a guitar or on a bass lol
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Jun 16, 2018 21:40
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Some funk bass stuff is done similar to that - it's not really *slap* but they use a flamenco-inspired technique. Something like this clip from the Chicago Music Exchange bass department manager
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Jun 16, 2018 21:56
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baka kaba posted:When I say slapping a guitar I'm more on about "percussive guitar" or whatever, like this kind of thing jesus that sounds like a slinky made of garbage
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Jun 16, 2018 22:05
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My favorite part what where Victor Wooten did a sick table impression and the guitar comes back like plldldikpdldikpldplspdpdik all high and awkward sounding. Just kidding, anyone experimenting is cool but maybe directly comparing to someone really hoot at percussive bass stuff isn’t the best place to showcase the same on guitar because it sounds like random tinny high nonsense.
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Jun 17, 2018 00:55
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Going back to the subject of cheap bass rigs, and Hartkes in particular, this old Hartke combo just showed up on Austin Craigslist for $325 and even as someone very satisfied with my bass amp I am tempted to check it out. On paper, the features would be robust for something costing several times as much. - 350 watts @ 4 ohms - Tube AND solid state preamps that can be blended - 10-band graphic EQ - Onboard adjustable/bypassable high and low-pass filters - Onboard adjustable/bypassable compressor with indicator light - Direct out that can be toggled between the pure input signal and the processed one - Effects loop that appears to allow blending between the dry signal being sent and the wet signal being returned Anyone have experience with one of these things?
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Jun 18, 2018 17:52
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Thermos H Christ posted:Going back to the subject of cheap bass rigs, and Hartkes in particular, this old Hartke combo just showed up on Austin Craigslist for $325 and even as someone very satisfied with my bass amp I am tempted to check it out. On paper, the features would be robust for something costing several times as much. I had one of those in head form, matched with a Hartke transporter 4x10 as my main rig for years. I actually really miss it. It was a pretty versatile rig, pretty clean sounding from what I remember. I liked it better then the class D stuff I’ve been using now soundwise.
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Jun 18, 2018 18:59
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Apparently you can do better than $325 cause the GC site has the same model used for $200. Hey dude who was looking for a cheap combo, maybe check this out? Even if you have to pay shipping (and I'm not sure if you do) this thing with a return policy for $200 seems like it's going to be hard to beat in terms of value. Also it looks like the "combo" is just the head mounted in a purpose-built speaker cab, so you could pull it out and use it with whatever cab (or on its own as a DI without lugging the cab around). https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Hartke/1155-Combo-Bass-Combo-Amp.gc
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Jun 19, 2018 02:05
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Anyone rockin a Genzler these days? Any thoughts?
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Jun 19, 2018 02:18
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A guy on the Discord has a big hardon for Genzler but I don't know what makes it push his buttons. He doesn't own one (another MarkBass bro :fist bump:) yet he talks regularly about wanting to get one. They do look pretty slick, and I want to try one but I have not gotten to mess with one yet.
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Jun 19, 2018 02:31
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I've got one of the discontinued Genz-Benz that proceeded Genzler and its great and I use maybe three of its many many knobs
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Jun 19, 2018 02:40
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Scarf posted:Anyone rockin a Genzler these days? Any thoughts? I'd like to try a Magellan, but my Mesa D800+ does everything I need, so I haven't had amp GAS for a while. Sold my Genz Benz Streamliner and Shuttlemax once I got the Mesa, but kept the Shuttle 9.0 as a backup, since it's so small and powerful.
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Jun 19, 2018 04:51
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Does anyone have experience with the Fender Special Edition Deluxe PJ Bass? I've been thinking about grabbing a new bass, and it looks like exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for (Jazz neck, P + J pickups).
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Jun 21, 2018 00:19
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The Leck posted:Does anyone have experience with the Fender Special Edition Deluxe PJ Bass? I've been thinking about grabbing a new bass, and it looks like exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for (Jazz neck, P + J pickups). No but I do know that if you get it in any color other than the sea foam pearl you're a pussy. I could swear that used to be the only color it came in.
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The Leck posted:Does anyone have experience with the Fender Special Edition Deluxe PJ Bass? I've been thinking about grabbing a new bass, and it looks like exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for (Jazz neck, P + J pickups). I bought one a couple of years ago, found one dirt cheap used. I like p bodies, j necks, and I have a preference for the pocket of the p pickup as a thumb rest (silly, I know, but old habit). Ergonomics it worked for me but the pickups disappointed. I would have sunk another couple hundred into it. My guitarist bought it off me. If you go used, Fender has done several versions of PJ with J necks. 80s Jazz deluxe (or special, I can't remember) was a Pbody, J neck, PJ had a selector. They reissued that as the gnr guy signature. Then there was the Precision Special or super duper delux. A personal favorite that is hard to find is the Precision Lyte. Aerodyne and Reggie Hamilton signature models are Jazz basses, Jazz necks, PJ pups. But definitely get the toothpaste bass if you can score a deal.
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Jun 21, 2018 07:00
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The Leck posted:Does anyone have experience with the Fender Special Edition Deluxe PJ Bass? I've been thinking about grabbing a new bass, and it looks like exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for (Jazz neck, P + J pickups). Pretty much the perfect melding of all things Fender but like everything from them try to play it before you buy.
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Jun 21, 2018 07:52
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As classy as the white one looks, the sea foam green is obviously the best option here. I'm not hearing any reason not to track down a used one and give it a try for a while.
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Jun 21, 2018 22:50
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It's a really good bass. Absolutely the best first-good-bass or only-bass you can get at that price point. I wish they made the sunburst one with rosewood & pearloid blocks so I didn't have to build one myself, but I've owned a couple older ones in the past before building my Warmoth and thought they were exceptionally good. edit: my fake fender 
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:
Almost perfect for me. The only change I'd make is switching the J pup to a second P. I've actually always wanted a triple P bass.
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Jun 22, 2018 01:31
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Picked up a Sadowsky outboard preamp for $100 off the local kijiji today, after playing with it for a bit tonight I feel like I made out like a bandit.
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Jun 22, 2018 03:52
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Why does Behringer feel the need to lie about their bass amp’s rated power? Am I supposed to believe that their head that costs 300 dollars new really puts out 2000 Watts? It’s weird.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:23
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They are capable of it, sure, but the harmonic distortion is probably massive at those levels. All amps are capable of putting out far more power than their rating, but they will distort. 500W at 1%THD is very different from 500W at 10%THD.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:37
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Krustic posted:Why does Behringer feel the need to lie about their bass amp’s rated power? Am I supposed to believe that their head that costs 300 dollars new really puts out 2000 Watts? It’s weird. Usually when you see a wildly out of character power rating like that it's total system power, which is the power consumption of the unit instead of what it actually outputs. So yeah, it's very deceptive marketing- think of it like a muscle car with a big block engine that theoretically makes a shitload of horsepower, but doesn't actually get most of it to the wheels.
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creamcorn posted:So yeah, it's very deceptive marketing- think of it like a muscle car with a big block engine that theoretically makes a shitload of horsepower, but doesn't actually get most of it to the wheels. and that's exactly why car manufacturers publish HP at the crank and not at the wheels 
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