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who can pass the purity tests of the extremely online cspam posters, a political question anyone outside of this niche subgroup couldnt give a gently caress about hmm now back to our discussion, how do we win over the masses and get people to support socialism? [massive 10 paragraph wall of text about gramsci]
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Morzhovyye posted:being a troop in 1900s imperial russia is the same as being a troop in 21st century amerika. they are both troops QED i am marxist You're an actual Tankie. Like literally
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Semper Fi
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someone called out my boring inane bullshit
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*troop stomping afghan kids with jackboots* yawn, boring, mundane *starts stomping even harder, so hard that their DSA card falls out of their pocket* 
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Morzhovyye posted:*troop stomping afghan kids with jackboots* Your thought process is completely divorced from reality
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Yandat posted:lol making GBS threads on a veteran who wants to do communism- you all are going to be theorizing about how to relate to bringing more people over to the revolution in 50 years when you are all eating bug paste in a dome. anyone who knows how to use a weapon or command people in combat needs to gtfo we are having the same argument over the labor theory of value that weve been having since the last time you could go outside without a full biohazard suit
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traitors are rare, and that’s fine. if this guy got disillusioned with what he did in war, like so many vietnam, gulf war, afghan war, and iraq war veterans before him did- you can go ahead and poo poo on them but you’re alone when it comes to how any sane person understands what that means. some of the most dedicated anti imperialist and socialist activists i’ve ever known had that experience and you’re a fool for not taking it seriously
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some of the most dedicated and capable anti-war and labor organizers I know are former soldiers who became radicalized partially from what they had to go through as soldiers. "Movements do not come to us from heaven, fully formed and organized. They are built by actual people, with all their political questions, weaknesses and strengths." - Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor
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Did he even do anything in Afghanistan, or was it that he was in the army for a year doing nothing, had a change of mind and decided to do a lame stunt to get discharged?
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he was in afghanistan for awhile afaik and probably did and saw hosed up poo poo
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just put spenser rapone in charge of the DSA. could use the discipline.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:just put spenser rapone in charge of the DSA. could use the discipline. sorry no way he can beat danny fetonte
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Rapone took a risk, doing what he did, and it cost him. He threatened his career, and possibly his person, given how many neo-nazis are in the army. The fact that it was such an seenly insignificant act, is belied by the reaction to it, including from a major right wing senator. To condemn Rapone for joining up in the first place, is the act of an infantile and psychotic mind. We don't know why he joined. Maybe he wanted a stable income. Maybe he wanted the prestige. Maybe he convinced himself he could change things. But it doesn't matter, because there are others like him, but he took a risk. Its incredibly goony and immature to rant and make stupid waffen-ss comparisons, in the face of that.
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MizPiz posted:Can't wait to see the recreation of this done by anarchist furries I have this fear that the modern IWW is just basically people cosplaying the real IWW anyway. That might be a bad take, I don't really know about the contemporary organization.
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a lot of spooks itt who want to turn lf into the red brigades
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HorrificExistence posted:I have this fear that the modern IWW is just basically people cosplaying the real IWW anyway. That might be a bad take, I don't really know about the contemporary organization. theres a lot of people on the left in general who are just in it for the aesthetic, its by no means limited to any single org
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The purity it takes to not be involved in American imperialism requires you to literally not be an American or live in America so good luck finding people in america who somehow fill that impossible standard. Also if anything the West point guy should be hated for becoming a class traitor by going to West point
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whole lotta wannabe Pol Pots and Hiroko Nagatas in this here thread
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Larry Parrish posted:The purity it takes to not be involved in American imperialism requires you to literally not be an American or live in America so good luck finding people in america who somehow fill that impossible standard. Commie Troop was on a podcast. https://twitter.com/HellOfAWay/status/1009531670834315266
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Larry Parrish posted:The purity it takes to not be involved in American imperialism requires you to literally not be an American or live in America so good luck finding people in america who somehow fill that impossible standard. people who volunteer to go to foreign countries and shoot and bomb non white civilians are equally as responsible for american imperialism as "illegal" immigrants who enjoy cheap consumer electronics they can only afford via the superprofits of american imperialism. they're both "involved", therefore these two things are the same, and since i've never opened a book, this concept of being "involved" is immutable. rudatron posted:To condemn Rapone for joining up in the first place, is the act of an infantile and psychotic mind. We don't know why he joined. Maybe he wanted a stable income. Maybe he wanted the prestige. Maybe he convinced himself he could change things. is it ok they bombed and murdered those people because they wanted free college? or a sweet pension? what if they just thought it would be cool? maybe when they were machinegunning down villagers they felt really sad? like, really really sad? these are the great marxist questions of our time
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Morzhovyye posted:people who volunteer to go to foreign countries and shoot and bomb non white civilians are equally as responsible for american imperialism as "illegal" immigrants who enjoy cheap consumer electronics they can only afford via the superprofits of american imperialism. they're both "involved", therefore these two things are the same, and since i've never opened a book, this concept of being "involved" is immutable. The pissy sarcasm you use to present your points is almost as bad as the points themselves. Also you're a Tankie
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Simply existing in America and paying taxes is support of imperialism. The choices available to people are finite and constrained by their context. Moralism is toxic, but even if we are to be moralistic, you can only judge people by the choices they make, in the context they make them. In contemporary America, signimg up for the army is unremarkable. Many do it for econonic mobility. For that matter, choosing not the sign up for the army is also unremarkable. There are plenty of people who can replace you. Its not an act of protest, it's business as usual. In that context, portraying signing up as unequivocal support for imperialism is psychosis.
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rudatron posted:Moralism is toxic, Whoa there
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Whoa there Moralism, not morality
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Morzhovyye posted:people who volunteer to go to foreign countries and shoot and bomb non white civilians are equally as responsible for american imperialism as "illegal" immigrants who enjoy cheap consumer electronics they can only afford via the superprofits of american imperialism. they're both "involved", therefore these two things are the same, and since i've never opened a book, this concept of being "involved" is immutable. 18 year olds are pretty loving stupid dude, people come to their political consciousness pretty loving late sometimes. you’re an insane dumbass if you want to reject every convert to your cause
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Wheeee posted:whole lotta wannabe Pol Pots and Hiroko Nagatas in this here thread 
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marxist genius: every action that someone does has a reason, also if you disagree with me you're literally pyscho, you are a crazy person, you are an insane person, you are a psychopath, you are delusional, join the DSA
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Morzhovyye posted:marxist genius: every action that someone does has a reason, also if you disagree with me you're literally pyscho, you are a crazy person, you are an insane person, you are a psychopath, you are delusional, join the DSA ok how about you are an emotionally immature retatd
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Yandat posted:18 year olds are pretty loving stupid dude, people come to their political consciousness pretty loving late sometimes. you’re an insane dumbass if you want to reject every convert to your cause maybe i'm an insane person, but I think there are literally billions of people who are not Troops, Cops, Nazis, etc. so i'll take my chances and not associate myself with organizations that are proud to have them
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Morzhovyye posted:maybe i'm an insane person, but I think there are literally billions of people who are not Troops, Cops, Nazis, etc. so i'll take my chances and not associate myself with organizations that are proud to have them Thanks
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i cant think of a single socialist organization that explicitly bans veterans so i guess you’ll be shouting proclamations alone and by yourself forever
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Tbh I'm a hypocrite since I'm even more picky than him and I won't join any organization that allows chads
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Wheeee posted:whole lotta wannabe Pol Pots and Hiroko Nagatas in this here thread just lol if you don't "get" Pol Pot by now
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Yandat posted:i cant think of a single socialist organization that explicitly bans veterans so i guess you’ll be shouting proclamations alone and by yourself forever he joined the dsa while he was still an active officer in the army and he didn't leave until they kicked him out, despite being a self proclaimed "anti-imperialist". i am aware there are veterans in what one would call "actual socialist orgs", but the dsa is not one, and among veterans they are the exceptions to the rule. imo if you're gonna try to turn face after volunteering for that poo poo then you need to do way more than write a silly message in your hat, join the center-left wing of the democratic party, and do funny memes online while aping lefty weird twitter. repudiate the military, show that you are genuinely remorseful, and then show your work by doing actual anti-imperialist activism. i think that's the bare minimum, is that too much of a "purity test"? the fact that the social democrats like yourself who have made this thread their home have thrown this many tantrums in his defense only further proves my point.
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I've defended the Democratic Republic of Kampuchea before and will again
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Morzhovyye posted:he joined the dsa while he was still an active officer in the army and he didn't leave until they kicked him out, despite being a self proclaimed "anti-imperialist". i am aware there are veterans in what one would call "actual socialist orgs", but the dsa is not one, and among veterans they are tell me what socialist org you're in so i can not join it
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