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Kai Tave posted:The attack helicopter meme is basically a way of saying "lol trans people are delusional" and attempting to somehow, I dunno, "reclaim" it by going "no no, this time it's meant in deadly earnest, you can ACTUALLY be [thing which is associated with implying that you're a delusional brokebrain]" is, as Saguaro PI says, exceptionally tone deaf. There's been a great deal of medical and psychological research that's gone into gender identity and dysphoria related to that which is why it's not on the same level as somebody going "lol I'm an attack helicopter" so it isn't actually a great comparison to make even in the context of some made-up transhuman sci-fi setting. I'm very aware of the distinct issues facing trans people, and the factors that impact on gender identity and dysphoria, as it personally affects me significantly. However, some trans people are also transhumanists, and I don't necessarily see a fundamental problem with this approach, but I agree that it needs to be handled extremely sensitively.
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Yeah. In theory a posthuman society will also be post-gender (or at least beyond it mattering on anything but an individual, personal level), but if you try and pull it off like KC there you're loving it right up.
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Kai Tave posted:Wait this was something they needed to specify? Is there someone posting on RPGnet who works for ICE and they've been complaining about being unfairly attacked? Yes. edit: The Immigration thread in Tangency had an ICE agent complaining that people were saying bad things about the organization because they claimed they hadn't really seen any abuse personally.
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Kai Tave posted:Is there a link to the reddit thread in question? I can't seem to turn up anything. That's not a thread. It's a screenshot of a Private Message exchange on reddit
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gradenko_2000 posted:That's not a thread. It's a screenshot of a Private Message exchange on reddit So it's perhaps not terribly well expressed views in a private communication which someone has made public probably without his permission, and therefore unlikely the nuance with which he would express these opinions to a wider audience? People suck.
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Mormon Star Wars posted:Yes. Well that sure is a thing. Good on that dude for pushing the mods into action, I guess.
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What’s the point of the trademark? Are they going to litigate? Twitter isn’t going to do poo poo.
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Zweihanderguy is one of the few RPG industry people more constantly selfpromoting than Pundit.
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xiw posted:Zweihanderguy is one of the few RPG industry people more constantly selfpromoting than Pundit. I'm sure there was some thing about him creating a website listing pundit's address and stuff, though that could just be pundit/nisarg/collosal wanker lying as he normally does. But yeah, arsehole does something to troll bigger arsehole.
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xiw posted:Zweihanderguy is one of the few RPG industry people more constantly selfpromoting than Pundit. has anyone seen them in the same room
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90s Cringe Rock posted:He pisses off parts of /tg/ by sending takedowns to file hosts when they pirate his stuff, he's pretty great.
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That is funny but I'm going to be That Guy and say that is a lot of money for a Twitter bit 
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Ettin posted:That is funny but I'm going to be That Guy and say that is a lot of money for a Twitter bit Extremely agreed, but people keep high-fiving the guy for his total epic own of Pundit. 
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This is a tiny bit funny but I'm going to have to agree with everyone saying that this is way too far for a Twitter joke and I largely don't really get it?
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I am confused in that he is then (apparently) immediately chummy with D&D's other unnamable consultant.
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I mean, I have no idea on comparative costs for marketing in RPGs (in no small part because most of them likely don't have any marketing budget). But 300 doesn't strike me as that nutty for a one off stunt that nets community goodwill and attention. Zweihander's a cheaper digital book, but even so you're talking maybe 50ish sales to recoup the cost, more or less? And yeah, its kind of silly and pointless in terms of doing much of anything with the trademark. But Pundit is an unhinged dumbass, so even if its actual legal power to gently caress with him is nil, its fairly likely he'll have some sort of contorted reaction to it that does him no favors in the end. Tarnowski's pretty much incapable of not shooting himself in the foot.
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moths posted:I am confused in that he is then (apparently) immediately chummy with D&D's other unnamable consultant. What's confusing about that? Zak and Pundit are pretty much polar opposites: the only thing they have in common is an enjoyment of the OSR and being widely disliked. I don't know what the origin of the Pundit vs. Zweihander guy thing is, but he managed to get himself banned from Pundit's forum for some sort of e-stalking thing. I can't be arsed to go down the usual rabbit holes to see how it all started, but there's definitely bad blood there.
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Xotl posted:What's confusing about that? Zak and Pundit are pretty much polar opposites: the only thing they have in common is an enjoyment of the OSR and being widely disliked. I mean they also have the common element of organizing harassment campaigns against people who criticize them. Which is why they are both widely disliked.
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Serf posted:I mean they also have the common element of organizing harassment campaigns against people who criticize them. Which is why they are both widely disliked. Yes, but what does that have to do with the idea that you could be friends of one and not the other?
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Xotl posted:Yes, but what does that have to do with the idea that you could be friends of one and not the other? Generally you shouldn't be friends with people who run harassment campaigns. Regardless, the two are not "polar opposites" unless you're a real smoothbrain.
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Serf posted:Generally you shouldn't be friends with people who run harassment campaigns. Nobody said otherwise. What are you on about? quote:Regardless, the two are not "polar opposites" unless you're a real smoothbrain. One is a culture warrior who constantly rails about the dangers of SJWs and cultural leftism, and the other is anything but. This isn't complicated. Nor does it have any bearing on whether or not they're good people.
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The problem of appeasement of those used to being petty and abusive is that you're only their friend as long as you're actually appeasing them. As soon as you give up the lickspittle routine, you're essentially their enemy again. This may be relevant to contemporary world politics as well.
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Xotl posted:Nobody said otherwise. What are you on about? They're both garbage because they do the exact same poo poo. Zak S is the living embodiment of performative wokeness.
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Xotl posted:One is a culture warrior who constantly rails about the dangers of SJWs and cultural leftism, and the other is anything but. This isn't complicated. Nor does it have any bearing on whether or not they're good people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA "anything but" Yeah tell me more about how the guy who harasses trans designers out of the industry is a polar opposite to the guy who wants minorities out of the industry.
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Fuego Fish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA Yeah, this Much like how Desborough insistes he's extreme left wing but happens to support gamergate and thinks rape literature is cool ohh and women don't deserve rights, but he's totally a lefty down with the man type.
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Xotl, is your point that they're both terrible people with different outward personas and self-justifications for their awfulness, and those inherently put them at odds even though the outcome of their behaviors is the same?
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not all bad people are bad in the same way...that shouldn't really be controversial
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:not all bad people are bad in the same way...that shouldn't really be controversial https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
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Xotl posted:Nobody said otherwise. What are you on about? 
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I'm still laughing at the idea that being an insane reactionary has no bearing on whether you're a good person.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Xotl, is your point that they're both terrible people with different outward personas and self-justifications for their awfulness, and those inherently put them at odds even though the outcome of their behaviors is the same? Mostly. All it was was an idle part of a post commenting on one poster's bafflement that you could be friends with one but not the other. They obviously have different lifestyles and concerns and a lot of other things, even if they're both toxic people with similar brigading behaviours; you can be broken in a lot of different ways, yet still use the same tools to achieve your ends. Or: Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:not all bad people are bad in the same way...that shouldn't really be controversial Serf posted:I'm still laughing at the idea that being an insane reactionary has no bearing on whether you're a good person. That's not what I meant. I was trying to say that pointing out that they're two different kinds of bad person doesn't mean that I'm arguing that they're good people. Xotl fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jun 21, 2018 |
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Serf posted:I'm still laughing at the idea that being an insane reactionary has no bearing on whether you're a good person. I usually see this sentiment coming in the opposite direction -- that is, "before it was just a difference of political opinion, but now it's a moral issue" -- but it's still just as absurd.
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It seems self-defeating to drop $300USD on triviality inconveniencing one industry tumor, then chat with an equally egregious shitbird in the very next tweet. My assumption in his buying the copyright was that maybe he's trying to clean up the community, followed by a hard LOL, no he isn't.
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Xotl posted:Mostly. All it was was an idle part of a post commenting on one poster's bafflement that you could be friends with one but not the other. They obviously have different lifestyles and concerns and a lot of other things, even if they're both toxic people with similar brigading behaviours; you can be broken in a lot of different ways, yet still use the same tools to achieve your ends. Or: Was it tiring to move those goalposts that far?
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moths posted:It seems self-defeating to drop $300USD on triviality inconveniencing one industry tumor, then chat with an equally egregious shitbird in the very next tweet.
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People are getting weirdly angry about the fairly obvious notion that Zak S and Pundit have nothing in common aside from doing more or less the same crimes. Like, two different murderers or two different bank robbers don't necessarily get along, either.
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If I could pay $300 to somehow have blocked "comicsgate" or whatever the thing with incels hating TLJ is called I would strongly consider it
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alg posted:If I could pay $300 to somehow have blocked "comicsgate" or whatever the thing with incels hating TLJ is called I would strongly consider it I wouldn't bother. Not unless you feel like buying up all the ghazi's as well.
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