June N/V: Andrew Luck Throws Football

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Joey Freshwater: Jun 20, 2004; Always playing with my meat; Grimey Drawer

FizFashizzle posted:

I can't believe Jameis Winston's defense of "No it was the OTHER black guy" didn't hold up.

The real bitch of it is that he wouldn't be getting suspended because of the incident, but because he failed to report it to the players union:

https://www.pewterreport.com/making-sense-winstons-potential-suspension/

There's a lot more in the article but:

quote:

The recent news of Winston being suspended isn�t even a matter of Winston being guilty of the accusations. At this point, it could be about technicalities of protecting the NFL�s brand instead of whether or not he did or didn�t do it or was even in the car.

That is something that exists in the language of the new NFL Personal Conduct Policy that was passed in December of 2016.

Clubs and players are obligated to promptly report any matter that comes to their attention (through, for example, victim or witness reports, law enforcement, or media reports) that may constitute a violation of this Policy. Clubs are expected to educate their employees on this obligation to report. Club reports should be made to NFL Security or Adolpho Birch of the Management Council legal staff. Questions about whether an incident triggers a reporting obligation should be directed to Adolpho Birch or Lisa Friel of the league office.

So, according to the current Conduct Policy, which is still in place today, Winston could potentially be held accountable for not reporting this instance when it happened. We know that because there is a voicemail from Uber contacting Winston �recently� after the incident occurred in March of 2016, which suspended Winston�s Uber account.

�Hi Jameis, this is Chris calling from the Uber office. I�m following up on a report we had from one of your recent trips where you or someone in the vehicle with you had some inappropriate behavior. I just want to follow up and get some more information on that. Your Uber account is on temporary hold while we investigate the situation. I�ll follow up with e-mail and hopefully we can find a better time to connect.�

Now, this is where things get a little tricky and where the NFL�s investigative measures that we do not know of, at this time, come into play.

Winston getting a voicemail like that where all it says is �inappropriate behavior� is very vague. That could be anything from using foul language or jumping all over the car or spilling food or drinks; anything like that. Of course, it could also be more serious, something such as the allegation that was brought before him. If Uber, in fact, emailed Winston and gave him the details of what allegations were presented to them after that voicemail, then the NFL may have the power to act on a failing to report. But, if Winston never received an email with the details of what the inappropriate behavior was or if they did not call him again and do so over the phone, then Winston could have a case to fight the NFL suspending him over a failure to report when Winston didn�t even know what he was supposed to report. Vague �inappropriate behavior� likely isn�t enough, especially if the league was not able to find any evidence of validity to the allegations against him, which we are not certain of either yet.

And there�s another element to this.

The incident occurred in March of 2016. The NFL�s current Personal Conduct Policy did not begin until late 2016. So, when this alleged incident occurred, that was not the exact language that was in the Conduct Policy, at that time. That, in theory, could give Winston some leverage to fight a suspension since he couldn�t violate a policy that didn�t exist yet.

However, the Conduct Policy that was in place, at the time � which went live in 2014 � did have language in it that, again, could be enough for the league to act the way it sees fit.

Clubs are obligated to promptly report any matter that comes to their attention (through, for example, victim or witness reports, law enforcement, media reports) that may constitute a violation of this Policy. Clubs are expected to educate their employees on this obligation to report. League employees who are aware of an incident that may violate this Personal Conduct Policy have a similar obligation to report the matter. Reports should be made to any of Robert Gulliver or Tara Wood of Human Resources, Jeffrey Miller of NFL Security or Adolpho Birch of the Management Council legal staff.

If you�ll notice, the word �players� was not present at the beginning of the 2014 Conduct Policy like it is in the current one from 2016. However, the sentence �clubs are expected to educate their employees on this obligation to report� likely takes all the power out of Winston�s hands again if, in fact, he was made known of the details of the �inappropriate behavior� that Uber first notified him of. Under that Conduct Policy, the NFL could actually be able to legally blame the Buccaneers franchise for not knowing this (via the responsibility to tell their players to report any incident) and not reporting it to the NFL themselves. That also could be enough grounds for them to suspend however they see fit � in this case, the player involved.

But, all of this stems from whether or not Winston was told the details of the incident soon after they actually happened and not over a year and a half later when Buzzfeed came out with their breaking news report.

That is likely all of what the NFL has been investigating, and could likely be why we hear that people like Winston�s former Florida State teammate Ronald Darby (who might have been in the vehicle) and even Winston had not been interviewed yet. The case of story itself might already be closed by the NFL, but the investigation to see if Winston and the Buccaneers fully complied with the league�s reporting policy could still be on going and, according to Cameron�s recent report, not going well for those hoping Winston gets out of this without a scratch.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 16:10

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# ? May 20, 2024 06:08

D-LINK: Oct 1, 2007; I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.

Let's talk about Jameis Winston while there's video of Troy Polamalu elbow-dropping a gator to save Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle from certain death

# ? Jun 21, 2018 16:12

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

Let's talk about Jameis Winston while there's video of Troy Polamalu elbow-dropping a gator to save Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle from certain death

If it was Malcolm, he should have let the gator eat him.

I.....like.....Stevie.. ....though......

# ? Jun 21, 2018 16:15

Joey Freshwater: Jun 20, 2004; Always playing with my meat; Grimey Drawer

It's not Troy and it's a fake gator (look at how it moves with the water).

YEAH IM THAT GUY DO SOMETHING

# ? Jun 21, 2018 16:37

wandler20: Nov 13, 2002; How many Championships?

Joey Freshwater posted:

It's not Troy and it's a fake gator (look at how it moves with the water).

YEAH IM THAT GUY DO SOMETHING

You're uninvited from my fireworks party.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:00

Joey Freshwater: Jun 20, 2004; Always playing with my meat; Grimey Drawer

wandler20 posted:

You're uninvited from my fireworks party.

aw man I didn't think someone would actually do something

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:05

FUCKFACE MORON: Apr 23, 2010; by sebmojo

I think it might be time to retire this avatar

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:09

wandler20: Nov 13, 2002; How many Championships?

https://twitter.com/PirateLifeFF/status/1007738110766211073

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:14

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

Let's talk about Jameis Winston while there's video of Troy Polamalu elbow-dropping a gator to save Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle from certain death

Yeah let's talk about the guy that plays football currently

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:20

SunshineDanceParty: Feb 7, 2006; One Road. Two Friends. One Ass.

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

Let's talk about Jameis Winston while there's video of Troy Polamalu elbow-dropping a gator to save Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle from certain death

Pssh. City boy talking about elbow dropping gators like its a special event.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:23

D-LINK: Oct 1, 2007; I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.

a neat cape posted:

Yeah let's talk about the guy that plays football currently

That certainly doesn't stop you from talking about Seau or LdT my dude

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:24

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

That certainly doesn't stop you from talking about Seau or LdT my dude

lmao oh snap

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:32

nerve: Jan 2, 2011; SKA SUCKS

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

That certainly doesn't stop you from talking about Seau or LdT my dude

Ryan Leaf

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:44

TITTIEKISSER69: Mar 19, 2005; SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS

Why the gently caress does a shield need protecting

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:48

Nissin Cup Nudist: Sep 3, 2011; Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land

Wasn't Big Bob a Cowboys fan?

Never got why he had an existential crisis over some bad Raiders game

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:57

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

That certainly doesn't stop you from talking about Seau or LdT my dude

It's how I cope with having Melvin Gordon on my team

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:57

nerve: Jan 2, 2011; SKA SUCKS

a neat cape posted:

It's how I cope with having Melvin Gordon on my team

Oh my god

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:59

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Never got why he had an existential crisis over some bad Raiders game

It was a really bad Raiders game ok?

# ? Jun 21, 2018 17:59

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Grittybeard posted:

It was a really bad Raiders game ok?

It was a late night MNF double header between Oakland and pre-Peyton Denver. It was miraculously bad

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:01

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

He was a pretty straightforward poster before that game.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:01

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

Why the gently caress does a shield need protecting

right?

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:06

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

nerve posted:

Oh my god

He's got an incurable disease.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:15

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

pubic works project posted:

He's got an incurable disease.

Sign me up for that sexy 3.9 ypc

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:19

Jivesauce: Nov 22, 2007

Did the articles from that goon-run football website get saved anywhere? I think it was called Football and Rational Thoughts (GET IT?). Big Bob had some hilarious articles he had written on there I think.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:22

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Jivesauce posted:

Did the articles from that goon-run football website get saved anywhere? I think it was called Football and Rational Thoughts (GET IT?). Big Bob had some hilarious articles he had written on there I think.

EHUD DROPPED THE BALL!

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:23

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

I think I still hav all that stuff but I�m jus so tired right now

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:25

Athanatos: Jun 7, 2006; Est. 1967

BBP had the greatest game previews every week.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:39

FUCKFACE MORON: Apr 23, 2010; by sebmojo

a neat cape posted:

It was a late night MNF double header between Oakland and pre-Peyton Denver. It was miraculously bad

Denver's QB that game? Kyle Orton

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:40

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

piss tape israel posted:

Denver's QB that game? Kyle Orton

Poor Sophia, doomed to love the unattainable drunk.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 18:48

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/21/streaker-hit-by-player-at-cfl-game-hires-lawyer-says-he-was-injured/

The streaker that got decked by a player at last weekend's CFL game is suing for injury lol. Times sure have changed.

I think the funniest part, though is that the streaker was fined . . . 115 dollars. That seems slightly low. In the US they'd probably still be in jail with an NFL lawsuit pending

# ? Jun 21, 2018 20:16

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Jameis "Famous Rapist" Winston

# ? Jun 21, 2018 20:40

weird Asian candy: Aug 23, 2005; Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

omg Baker Mayfield roasting Colin Cowherd is extremely my thing

# ? Jun 21, 2018 20:47

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

weird Asian candy posted:

omg Baker Mayfield roasting Colin Cowherd is extremely my thing

I can't wait to watch it when I get off work.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 20:48

whypick1: Dec 18, 2009; Just another jackass on the Internet

weird Asian candy posted:

omg Baker Mayfield roasting Colin Cowherd is extremely my thing

Verbal or literal?

(Please say literal)

# ? Jun 21, 2018 20:51

weird Asian candy: Aug 23, 2005; Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

whypick1 posted:

Verbal or literal?

(Please say literal)

I wish it were literal...

# ? Jun 21, 2018 20:57

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Play posted:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/21/streaker-hit-by-player-at-cfl-game-hires-lawyer-says-he-was-injured/

The streaker that got decked by a player at last weekend's CFL game is suing for injury lol. Times sure have changed.

I think the funniest part, though is that the streaker was fined . . . 115 dollars. That seems slightly low. In the US they'd probably still be in jail with an NFL lawsuit pending

You can try and sue anybody, but a fan on the field isn't gonna win poo poo. Monica Seles kinda ended any chance of that.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 21:00

whypick1: Dec 18, 2009; Just another jackass on the Internet

https://twitter.com/camdasilva/status/1009845342198812672

Imagine listening to Colin Cowherd on purpose.

# ? Jun 21, 2018 21:13

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Chargers and Saints will have joint practices again this August in LA before their preseason game.

Woo more QB challenges between Brees and Rivers like last year

# ? Jun 21, 2018 21:13

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

whypick1 posted:

https://twitter.com/camdasilva/status/1009845342198812672

Imagine listening to Colin Cowherd on purpose.

BAKER MAYFIELD FOR HALL OF FAME

# ? Jun 21, 2018 21:29

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# ? May 20, 2024 06:08

weird Asian candy: Aug 23, 2005; Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

whypick1 posted:

https://twitter.com/camdasilva/status/1009845342198812672

Imagine listening to Colin Cowherd on purpose.

rekt

# ? Jun 21, 2018 21:38

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