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If I cut Neferata can I rattle bones AND make spooky ghost noises?
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Clawtopsy posted:If I cut Neferata can I rattle bones AND make spooky ghost noises? You can run the generic ghosties in a legion of nagash list, or you can ally in some amount (I forget off the top of my head) of skeletons into your Nighthaunt army. Edit: looking at the allies chart you’d have to go the other way around, running a skeleton army and allying in the ghost characters long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jun 22, 2018 |
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Jun 22, 2018 00:45
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Almost every major faction is going in to have a big brawl in Shyish. I don't remember if the Darkoath Queen is Khorne or non-aligned chaos, but either way I think they're all there. Interesting. I would think they split them up a bit. Khorne and Slaanesh in the SHADOW REALM (cause slaanesh, and that the daughters are hogging all the blood). Nurgle and Tzeetch in the dead realm (cause dead are boring). Mortal enemies forced to work together!
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Jun 22, 2018 00:59
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:You can ally them in but those models aren’t allowed to be used in a legions of nagash force, which is where you would run Neferata et al This does not appear to be true. Most of the models from what have been shown can just be used normally in Legions of Nagash. Likely the new Mortarch will be able to as well. (Once she gets her own legion.) Like in the starter set for the new edition they even say that all the Models in the set can freely be used in Legions of Nagash.
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Jun 22, 2018 01:25
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Clawtopsy posted:okay to expand a bit on my earlier comments, i really like some of these new ghost folks. particularly dead ghost lady and radical ghost dude sitting in a chair Yes it's looking very likely that you can.
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Jun 22, 2018 01:27
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MonsterEnvy posted:This does not appear to be true. Most of the models from what have been shown can just be used normally in Legions of Nagash. They were asking specifically about the character models.
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Jun 22, 2018 01:57
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LordAba posted:Interesting. I would think they split them up a bit. Khorne and Slaanesh in the SHADOW REALM (cause slaanesh, and that the daughters are hogging all the blood). Nurgle and Tzeetch in the dead realm (cause dead are boring). Mortal enemies forced to work together! The Chaos Gods are currently throwing all they've got at Nagash because he represents an existential threat to them. That big black pyramid is gonna hoover up all the souls in the realms before they get to them and starve them out of existence. They also each got a cool vignette in the Malign Portents book. Khorne posted:Up stretched the throne of skulls, up and up again, an impossible mountain of heads claimed in the Blood God’s name. At its peak, far beyond such notions as sanity and cosmic law, was a monolithic and ornate throne of brass, and atop this structure sat the being that men call Khorne. He brooded, his loathing so intense it crackled around him to blacken the air. Tzeentch posted:The Great Architect’s fractal mind span and whirled as his countless consciousnesses warred, riddled, made pacts with and betrayed each other. Like some cosmic kaleidoscope it refracted reality over and over as it contorted and folded in mind-boggling profusion. Along the crystal strands of thought the many minds roamed, ensuring victory here, undermining themselves there. Tzeentch’s needling mind-fingers plucked at the skeins like the legs of a demented arachnid, expertly changing the state of a thousand realities with every passing second. Nurgle posted:Nurgle hummed softly to himself in the basement of his manse, stirring his cauldron with a ladle that could hold seven seas at once. He breathed in deeply, blighted lungs flapping within his long-rotten chest, and sighed in contentment. The bouquet of stenches rising from within was so strong it would kill a godbeast. But then…Brows like mountain ranges furrowed, their hillock pimples squirting pus into the multicoloured broth below. Something was just not right. The Plague God raised the ladle to his ravaged, rubbery lips, and stuck the tip of his long black tongue in the liquid. So very, wonderfully foul. Yet true enough, there was something wrong with it. The bland taste of ashes filled his mouth. Ashes and lifeless dust. Slaanesh posted:Slaanesh gave a moan like the music of the spheres, caught somewhere between crippling agony and blinding ecstasy as the tiniest wisp of energy was drawn from within his essence. At the height of the spasming torture, at the zenith of sensation, he saw a flash of potential futures. A realm of dust, of bone, of lifeless nations remade and re-ordered to please one single soul. That ancient spirit was steeped in excess. Slaanesh could feel its need, its megalomania, drawn towards obsessions that it could never escape. Something like a smile tugged at Slaanesh’s chain-pierced lips, but it soon faded. Where were the bacchanals in his name? Where were the pleasures of the flesh? The manic dancing, the false joy, the frenzied, desperate hunger? What victory could be called complete without riotous, extravagant celebration? To have reality brought in thrall to one singular, overwhelming desire was not enough. It would…Slaanesh could barely bring himself to conceive of the horror, thrashing in mad, bellowing panic against his penumbral chains. The Horned Rate posted:The Great Horned Rat crawled between the hidden places of the void, his thirteen sky-scratching whiskers twitching as he stared down at the teeming multitudes of Blight City. Their endeavours were pleasing to him, as they had always been. So many, now, it was hard for even him to keep track. Let the Four take the brunt of the God-King’s resurgence. The myriad swarm would continue to grow more powerful in the corners of each realm, burrowing through time and space to make ready for the great upheaval even as his fellow Dark Gods and the Pantheon of Order expended their strength. When the time was right, he would turn the Mortal Realms to blighted wastelands fit only for glorious vermin, thereby rising through the Chaos pantheon to make the other Dark Gods kneel before him. It was a solid plan, and the Great Horned Rat was in no mind to change it.
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Jun 22, 2018 02:35
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I really like all of their views on the situation.
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Jun 22, 2018 03:51
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:They were asking specifically about the character models. I have a feeling there is going to be a Legion of Grief in the new Nighthaunt book that will allow other Death units to be taken along with the named characters.
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Jun 22, 2018 03:53
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Horned Rat as a true god is still dumb.
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Jun 22, 2018 04:11
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For_Great_Justice posted:Horned Rat as a true god is still dumb. I don't know, he is in basically the same situation Sigmar is in. I do like like that the other Chaos Gods basically ignore him.
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Jun 22, 2018 13:31
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Listen, he worked really hard to get his membership card. Don't be down on him. 
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Jun 22, 2018 13:59
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Hes just felt like Diet-Nurgle an nothing more for years. Also any God that can be placed on table is not strong enough to be one of the Pantheon as the horned rat has a model an maybe rules?
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Jun 22, 2018 16:16
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The Horned Rat has a set of greater daemons available but no model. And he's has not been written anything like Nurgle at all within AoS, he's off to the side mad that all the other Chaos Gods keep shoving him in a locker and taking his lunch money.
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Jun 22, 2018 16:27
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An aspect of the Horned Rat god is similar to Nurgle but overall the Horned Rat is more multifaceted. Age of Sigmar leans heavily on the plague aspect because Pestilens is the only clan with a book at the moment. There were so many gods in fantasy that it make sense for the Horned Rat to be a unique god. End Times blew all that up and condensed things down but there were a lot and for each of the races. http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gods It mostly came down to having enough beings believe in them for them to be a thing.
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Jun 22, 2018 16:49
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For_Great_Justice posted:Horned Rat as a true god is still dumb. Why is that. He was always a Chaos god. (Just a lesser one, I am happy he has been able to move up.) For_Great_Justice posted:Hes just felt like Diet-Nurgle an nothing more for years. Also any God that can be placed on table is not strong enough to be one of the Pantheon as the horned rat has a model an maybe rules? The Horned Rat does not have a model.
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Jun 22, 2018 16:54
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Yeah, the Verminlord is basically the Greater Daemon of the Horned Rat, like the Bloodthirster, Lord of Change, etc
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Jun 22, 2018 17:02
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Do rather like that the Skaven's current deal in AoS is essentially a civil holy war over what aspect of the Horned Rat becomes ascendant. It's a neat idea.
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Jun 22, 2018 17:04
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I can't wait to see how the slaanesh/horned rat wars play out when slaanesh comes back.
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Jun 22, 2018 17:28
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I’ve seen The Horned Rat as more of a god of Chaos Undivided in AoS. Since Skaven had so many different factions in the old world that there’s one to correspond to each of the big four.
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Jun 22, 2018 17:36
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yeah I *really* want them to put out
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Jun 22, 2018 18:00
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Horned Rat is more a chaos god of deception and cunning than disease, so I don't really see him competing with the other gods.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:03
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GreenMarine posted:Horned Rat is more a chaos god of deception and cunning than disease, so I don't really see him competing with the other gods. cunning and deception is Tzeentch's thing
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Jun 22, 2018 18:04
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Ruin is the best way to put it imo. Ruin from pestilence, from mutation, from industry, from treachery.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:05
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Long ago the thing was its model but was changed up. I just don't get excited for rats, seems very one line. Thats personal taste so before we get the mighty GW torches an pitchforks at mark up prices consider that. I got into aos like a month before 2.0 was announced an was on the fantasy or nothing hill before I realised it was a silly thing.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:07
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AnEdgelord posted:cunning and deception is Tzeentch's thing Hmm. I suppose, but there seems to be something different between Tzeentch's labyrinth of madness and the Horned Rat's inventive cravenness. Edit: No, you're right. I made an obvious mistake in my reasoning there. GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jun 22, 2018 |
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Jun 22, 2018 18:07
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SteelMentor posted:Ruin is the best way to put it imo. Ruin from pestilence, from mutation, from industry, from treachery. Ruin is Nurgle's thing, as he is the embodiment of entropic decay itself (or at least the mortal reaction to it) There is plenty you can do with the Horned Rat as a chaos god but everything he currently represents is embodied in one of the four already. Malal, if he had stuck around, could easily have filled the role of a fifth chaos god because a chaos god who hates chaos can represent things like shame, self-loathing, and guilt, all of which aren't represented by the existing gods. The problem is that the Horned Rat had an existing identity thats being crowbared into a place where he doesn't really fit. Of course that doesn't mean GW shouldn't do it, there are plenty of stories you can tell about a god trying to maintain a distinct identity lest he be absorbed into the other four.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:10
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Skaven should've been destruction. gently caress chaos.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:12
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AnEdgelord posted:Ruin is Nurgle's thing, as he is the embodiment of entropic decay itself (or at least the mortal reaction to it) Call it Entropy then, as Nurgle wants to regrow from the ruin, while Ol' Horny just wants everything to wither away so he can piss on the remains.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:17
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SteelMentor posted:Call it Entropy then, as Nurgle wants to regrow from the ruin, while Ol' Horny just wants everything to wither away so he can piss on the remains. There is no meaningful distinction between what Nurgle wants and the Horned Rat wants regardless of what GW's writers say. Nurgle does not get upset when decay "goes too far".
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Jun 22, 2018 18:20
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You could call HR the aspect of oblivion but Malal fit that better, even his early art looked rat like an it was probably an idea someone in at gw liked but its now this thing that is represented by four other fuckle chuks. Hes just so tied to rats an rat things he doesn't stand out or have much to work with.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:22
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You could do a thing where the Horned Rat is secretly the conscious mind of Chaos Unidvided and embodies some aspect of all the Chaos gods or you could do a thing where he is slowly losing aspects of himself to the other four but trying to act like he is separate and distinct when he is very clearly not is just lazy writing
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Jun 22, 2018 18:26
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For_Great_Justice posted:Long ago the thing was its model but was changed up. I just don't get excited for rats, seems very one line. No it was always a verminlord. AnEdgelord posted:Ruin is Nurgle's thing, as he is the embodiment of entropic decay itself (or at least the mortal reaction to it) Ruin is not Nurgle's thing. It's Decay and Rebirth. While the Horned Rat overlaps a bit with the other chaos gods, his portfolio and views do it in a different way. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 22, 2018 |
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Jun 22, 2018 18:27
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He sticks out because he's not supposed to be there. That's why he doesn't "represent" something and the other gods ignore/hate him. He's an upstartS.J. posted:Skaven should've been destruction. gently caress chaos. But this is the correct take
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Jun 22, 2018 18:28
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Hashut is the only God really worth worshipping, hth
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Jun 22, 2018 18:32
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The Horned Rat is the god of Semantics.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:32
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Does the 2018 General's Handbook include the three player Triumph and Treachery rules or did they drop those?
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Jun 22, 2018 18:33
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For_Great_Justice posted:The Horned Rat is the god of Semantics. Antisemanticism? This is getting uncomfortable
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Jun 22, 2018 18:33
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GreenMarine posted:Does the 2018 General's Handbook include the three player Triumph and Treachery rules or did they drop those? I believe so, I can’t remember which book it’s in but they definitely said it’s back.
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S.J. posted:Skaven should've been destruction. gently caress chaos. Absolutely. Maybe GW will get smart and move them over when they (hopefully) redo the Skaven book and bring everyone back into the fold.
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