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Lmao at people ITT joking about needing to explain KC to people in the inevitable anime thread, only for people to start explaining here
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Jun 22, 2018 17:47
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I wish Diego Brando's stand was named after King Crimson's Dinosaur and not Scary Monsters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZASr6Chpey8
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Jun 22, 2018 17:59
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I think maybe seeing KC in motion might better illustrate its powers. I think it's kind of a confusing thing to portray in a comic.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:00
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Johnny Joestar posted:maybe one day we'll be free of the dumb memes where people act like trying to comprehend it is akin to deciphering notes from the zodiac killer or some poo poo Expect My Mom posted:tbf, there are multiple posts of me itt asking how Bites the Dust works cause I really didn't get it until I saw the anime
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Jun 22, 2018 18:11
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I just defer to this whenever I need an explanation about the time stands.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:17
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The problem with most KC explanations is they fail to also explain Epitaph, which is necessary for KC to work.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:33
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lil angry head sees into the future
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Jun 22, 2018 18:36
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King Crimson's signature ability is to erase a given frame of time lasting up to 10 seconds,[5] starting from the instant the ability is activated.[6][4] "During" this period of time, other people will be unable to experience anything that happened[6] and will retain no memories of it either.[6][7] After the allotted time frame, they will suddenly find themselves in the situation they were supposed to be afterwards.[4][6] There is, however, one instance where a person was able to see their double before finding themselves in their future position.[6] On the other hand, Diavolo remains fully conscious during the erased time and only he can re-adjust his actions.[7] Diavolo sees the erased time as a void filled with juxtapositions of what would have happened during this period in a fashion akin to Nude Descending a Staircase, allowing him to think out the next best action e: lol i forgot that Epitaph's futures are displayed through Diavolo's bangs that he has to look through
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Jun 22, 2018 18:39
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Epitaph seems to be something Araki added after realizing that King Crimson shouldn't be nearly as effective if Diavolo was just fast-forwarding blind.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:45
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Funky Valentine posted:Epitaph seems to be something Araki added after realizing that King Crimson shouldn't be nearly as effective if Diavolo was just fast-forwarding blind. iirc, diavolo gave doppio access to it for a short time once
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Jun 22, 2018 18:47
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Condiv posted:iirc, diavolo gave doppio access to it for a short time once He also gave it to Bruno for some reason?
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Jun 22, 2018 18:53
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Expect My Mom posted:King Crimson's signature ability is to erase a given frame of time lasting up to 10 seconds,[5] starting from the instant the ability is activated.[6][4] "During" this period of time, other people will be unable to experience anything that happened[6] and will retain no memories of it either.[6][7] After the allotted time frame, they will suddenly find themselves in the situation they were supposed to be afterwards.[4][6] There is, however, one instance where a person was able to see their double before finding themselves in their future position.[6] Buccelati was also hit during the skipped time when he also saw himself. That's the main reason King Crimson is so confusing, it contradicted itself a lot in its initial fight.
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Jun 22, 2018 18:55
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Expect My Mom posted:King Crimson's signature ability is to erase a given frame of time lasting up to 10 seconds,[5] starting from the instant the ability is activated.[6][4] "During" this period of time, other people will be unable to experience anything that happened[6] and will retain no memories of it either.[6][7] After the allotted time frame, they will suddenly find themselves in the situation they were supposed to be afterwards.[4][6] There is, however, one instance where a person was able to see their double before finding themselves in their future position.[6] The part that's unclear to me is the extent to which Diavolo interacts with things during the skipped time. Is he intangible during the skipped time? Bruno seeing himself is also confusing, although there is at least a possible explanation that makes sense to me (Diavolo lending Bruno Epitaph to confuse him).
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Jun 22, 2018 18:56
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Man I kinda wish KC was just the timeskip because it's dumb as poo poo with or without the superstrength. Then again we wouldn't have had that brutal as gently caress scene of him chopping through Bruc's shoulder and chest in a single blow.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:04
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I just love that had to invoke Nude Descending A Staircase to get the point across
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Jun 22, 2018 19:14
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You know, I was gonna start trying out my evil misleading KC explanations with a good ol' reference: "This is how King Crimson works: imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff" But then I realized I just basically described the start of JoJolion
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Jun 22, 2018 19:16
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:The problem with most KC explanations is they fail to also explain Epitaph, which is necessary for KC to work. If KC can skip ten seconds into the future then being able to see ten seconds into the future is a necessary sub-power. Epitaph is just that part of KC.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:19
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KC is much more sensible if you forget about the first time it is used. Afterwards it is pretty consistent about doing basically 2 things: making Diavolo see a few seconds into the future, and erasing everyone's memory of the past few seconds except his own.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:23
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Dragonwagon posted:KC is much more sensible if you forget about the first time it is used. Afterwards it is pretty consistent about doing basically 2 things: making Diavolo see a few seconds into the future, and erasing everyone's memory of the past few seconds except his own. Yeah, thinking of it as erasing other peoples memory is far more sensible (and is as consistent with how it's shown to work as the actual explanation).
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Jun 22, 2018 20:07
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Momomo posted:Buccelati was also hit during the skipped time when he also saw himself. That's the main reason King Crimson is so confusing, it contradicted itself a lot in its initial fight. I don't think he was. Diavolo just repositioned himself to murder him when the skip ended.
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Jun 22, 2018 20:08
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Having to refer to modern art in order to explain superpowers is what makea Jojo dope
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Jun 22, 2018 20:11
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Johnny Joestar posted:the retranslation actually does a pretty decent job of explaining it and i'm sure the anime will make it clear enough with how it's depicted. maybe one day we'll be free of the dumb memes where people act like trying to comprehend it is akin to deciphering notes from the zodiac killer or some poo poo ive noticed that people mostly shut the gently caress up about Stand with confusing powers until AFTER its Animated debut Looking forward to nerds FINALLY shutting the gently caress up about King Crimson! 
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Jun 22, 2018 20:27
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I will never understand why people who make these kindsa things always leave Abbacchio out, when Moody Blues is both a Time Stand and clearly based on the Record function because JJBA Earth is just a giant VCR.
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Jun 22, 2018 23:42
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:The problem with most KC explanations is they fail to also explain Epitaph, which is necessary for KC to work. Epitaph isn't necessary, just tremendously helpful. The combination of King Crimson's standard power and Epitaph are what make Diavolo so invincible, since Epitaph lets him know when to erase time in order to most effectively protect himself, but even without it his stand is still very powerful. (I still think it would have been cool if Epitaph had died with Doppio, which could have made it possible for the heroes to take him down without having to use the arrow, but eh.)
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Jun 23, 2018 06:16
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Silver2195 posted:The part that's unclear to me is the extent to which Diavolo interacts with things during the skipped time. Is he intangible during the skipped time? Diavolo can't interact with anything during the erased time, because if he did, the interaction would be erased. So instead he just uses it to protect himself by erasing any harm done to him, and by repositioning himself to win instantly after the erased time (like the fight with Bruno, where he wins with a single strike).
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Jun 23, 2018 11:44
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I just wanna know if they'll fix the plothole with gold experience getting stabbed by the arrow during the black sabbath fight
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Jun 23, 2018 12:03
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Diavolo is the kid on the playground going "Nope I dodged it" when you're all play fighting and he keeps doing it until Giorno starts doing the same.
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Jun 23, 2018 14:33
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FirstAidKite posted:I just wanna know if they'll fix the plothole with gold experience getting stabbed by the arrow during the black sabbath fight Considering they've spackled over other plotholes in the past, most assuredly.
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Jun 23, 2018 14:38
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Waffleman_ posted:Considering they've spackled over other plotholes in the past, most assuredly. Which ones have they gone over?
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Jun 23, 2018 15:52
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I don't remember the conclusion of that, but I remember trying to work the situation out almost gave me a headache. I tried very hard to figure it out using the final rules of D4C, and it would require several universes never seen and for the series to start / end in completely different universes or some poo poo. How it actually works is that Araki changed how D4C works. Originally it took alternate universes and merged them together. That's the whole sponge thing, he could combine multiple universes together into a single thing. So he merged three universes together to cover up him shooting Johnny. My guess is that Araki realized that may not be super flexible, or maybe too powerful, so he simplified it to be dragging poo poo through universes.
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Jun 23, 2018 15:58
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Diavolo can't interact with anything during the erased time, because if he did, the interaction would be erased. So instead he just uses it to protect himself by erasing any harm done to him, and by repositioning himself to win instantly after the erased time (like the fight with Bruno, where he wins with a single strike). Except sometimes he does interact with people during erased time like when he killed Narancia.
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Jun 23, 2018 17:08
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Electric Phantasm posted:Which ones have they gone over? The most notable one is adding the Joestar birthmark to Jonathan and Joseph in the first season. I think Dio's coffin was addressed too, but I don't remember how. Those are really the only major plotholes so far.
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Jun 23, 2018 17:10
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They also had Jotaro getting a new uniform made after the Wheel of Fortune fight, and seeing off Anne. Those aren’t really plot holes but they add continuity. Oh yeah, they added the stand arrow on Dio’s Wall too, though again it wasn’t much of a plot hole. Other fun continuity additions would be replacing a random parrot on Dio’s Shoulder in an early flashback with Pet Shop, having Star Platinum use star finger again during the Anubis fight and some Battle Tendency references in Suzy Q’s room, like a magazine cover with an adult Smokey. Oh, and Joseph and Dio mentioning Erina during their brief fight. In DiU they added Josuke biting his lip like in the Enigma fight earlier on, and I could be remembering wrong but I think they added a scene involving the rubber glove before Josuke eats it in the Angelo fight but I could be misremembering. As for the plot hole with Black Sabbath stabbing Gold Experience with the arrow, that could easily be explained by saying the stand user has to be the one to pierce their stand with it. Hitlersaurus Christ fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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Jun 23, 2018 18:04
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Could also explain it away as its a thing that only happens once the user has reached a certain potential or is ready for it. Polnareff had his stand for years so when Chariot just barely touched it that first time it freaked out. Giorno only ever started directly fighting with his stand when he met Bruno so when he fought Black Sabbath it didn't do anything, but lets say by the time he finishes the Baby fight, he's learned and mastered his stand so much more.
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Jun 23, 2018 19:33
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:As for the plot hole with Black Sabbath stabbing Gold Experience with the arrow, that could easily be explained by saying the stand user has to be the one to pierce their stand with it. Pretty much. Like a vampire feeding, you have to actively want to be looking for a requiem or "a way to win" to get a requiem, hand waved, plot hole explained. It doesn't need explaining anyway. It's a plot hole, so be it.
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Jun 23, 2018 20:24
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i pretty much always looked at it as that the user has to do it with intent and actually probably stab a part that matters and not just through the back of a hand then again i don't even like requiem stands so it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned
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Jun 23, 2018 20:33
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It Just Works, except when it doesn't
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Jun 23, 2018 20:34
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Guys... was the pompadour guy who saved Joe Sooky... Jaskay???
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Jun 23, 2018 20:37
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It was me, the Mom Helper of Morioh. No need to thank me
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WrightOfWay posted:Except sometimes he does interact with people during erased time like when he killed Narancia. Narancia wasn't killed in the erased time, Diavolo just killed him and then skipped forward to erase the group hearing and reacting to the killing. Thus they go from watching out for Diavolo to still watching out for Diavolo but now Narancia is dead
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