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Lightning Knight posted:Nancy Pelosi also apparently voted against the Iraq War, which I didn't know and is kind of fascinating. Nancy Pelosi, while not exactly good, is the one figure who frequently shows up in discussion about the Democrats who probably has worse of a reputation than she deserves. People frequently lump her together with people like Schumer or Feinstein, but she really isn't as bad as them. She's probably the best example of right-wing propaganda combined with misogyny influencing perceptions. That being said, I don't want to sound too defensive here, because she's still bad. It's just important to keep things in perspective.
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Ytlaya posted:Nancy Pelosi, while not exactly good, is the one figure who frequently shows up in discussion about the Democrats who probably has worse of a reputation than she deserves. People frequently lump her together with people like Schumer or Feinstein, but she really isn't as bad as them. She's probably the best example of right-wing propaganda combined with misogyny influencing perceptions. That being said, I don't want to sound too defensive here, because she's still bad. It's just important to keep things in perspective. She really is that bad, in the exact same vein as Schumer and Feinstein. Corporate controlled, more worried about fundraising and toeing the party line than actually trying to enact decent legislation that will help people. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if she wasn't Minority Leader/Speaker in waiting, but she is.
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Yeah I remember looking up her Iraq War vote a while back and I was pleasantly surprised to see she voted against it. There's really no excuse for anyone that voted for it, loving Nancy Pelosi was able to see Bush was full of poo poo, what's everyone else's excuse.
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Nancy Pelosi's main flaw is that she genuinely believes the part would die without her, and thus does everything she can to keep hold of her power, entrenching the corrupt old guard and blocking the new generation from a well deserved growing space. Actually that's a rather big flaw, isn't it.
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MANime in the sheets posted:She really is that bad, in the exact same vein as Schumer and Feinstein. Corporate controlled, more worried about fundraising and toeing the party line than actually trying to enact decent legislation that will help people. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if she wasn't Minority Leader/Speaker in waiting, but she is. I think you might be understating just how terrible Schumer is, to be honest.
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It's possible that Pelosi is just too set in her ways and super clueless about post-escalator world politics instead of an outright Schumer-esque ghoul, but that doesn't mean much in practical terms as they both still need to go.
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Cerebral Bore posted:post-escalator sorry, can someone explain this? Seen it here a couple times
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's possible that Pelosi is just too set in her ways and super clueless about post-escalator world politics instead of an outright Schumer-esque ghoul, but that doesn't mean much in practical terms as they both still need to go. https://youtu.be/MR65ZhO6LGA
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Barry Convex posted:sorry, can someone explain this? Seen it here a couple times 
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I'll support replacing Pelosi when I hear a good plan for exactly who we're replacing her with. It's fine to be lolrandom accellerationist burnitall or whatever but let's take a look at Steny Hoyer, her likely successor if removed https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1010280125961785344 oooooh ok yeah let's stick with Pelosi until you have a worthwhile replacement lined up
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Third in line is Crowley who's a N.Y. dem ghoul who I'm voting against on Tuesday on the primaries. It's poo poo allllll the way down.
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I've felt some sympathy towards Pelosi, if only because it feels like she's stuck serving as a mouthpiece for whatever the party officials's stances are/testing the waters. Maybe she is clueless enough to say "we're capitalists", but that deffo feels like "someone backstage was hoping this would get applause". She also catches flak for being the general face of congress dens. Ask random mooks before the latest elections which dem congresscritter controls the rest and I'd bet you'd hear more Pelosi's than Schumer's
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Matt Zerella posted:Third in line is Crowley who's a N.Y. dem ghoul who I'm voting against on Tuesday on the primaries. It's poo poo allllll the way down. serious post if anyone wants to canvas for ocasio-cortez this weekend pm me.
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Neurolimal posted:I've felt some sympathy towards Pelosi, if only because it feels like she's stuck serving as a mouthpiece for whatever the party officials's stances are/testing the waters. Maybe she is clueless enough to say "we're capitalists", but that deffo feels like "someone backstage was hoping this would get applause". Well, that's a really fundamental problem, not something to be sympathetic towards. If not even the loving minority leader can stand up to the proposed message and call it out for the garbage it is, then who can?
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Neurolimal posted:I've felt some sympathy towards Pelosi, if only because it feels like she's stuck serving as a mouthpiece for whatever the party donor stances are/testing the waters. Maybe she is clueless enough to say "we're capitalists", but that deffo feels like she knows who keeps her there. Ftfy. I'm really not trying to shitpost here. I'm phone posting and it was just easier to edit. Also I'll agree the Schumer is a million times worse than Pelosi. But I still hate them both.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
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Barry Convex posted:sorry, can someone explain this? Seen it here a couple times Shorthand for the age of Trump, where the old political received wisdom is dead. Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'll support replacing Pelosi when I hear a good plan for exactly who we're replacing her with. Those fuckers need to go as well, buddo. E: Also it's a pretty good sign of not having learned anything to still be scaremongering about changing something that obviously isn't loving working.
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Ytlaya posted:Nancy Pelosi, while not exactly good, is the one figure who frequently shows up in discussion about the Democrats who probably has worse of a reputation than she deserves. People frequently lump her together with people like Schumer or Feinstein, but she really isn't as bad as them. She's probably the best example of right-wing propaganda combined with misogyny influencing perceptions. That being said, I don't want to sound too defensive here, because she's still bad. It's just important to keep things in perspective.
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I'll hand this to Pelosi though: at least she panders to conservative Republicans that actually loving exist. Can't say the same for Schumer.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Shorthand for the age of Trump, where the old political received wisdom is dead. I didn't say they didn't, I said I wanted to hear the plan. Like, name names. Who are the candidates you want to replace her with. Are they in congress already? Are they running in specific races?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'll support replacing Pelosi when I hear a good plan for exactly who we're replacing her with.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Hoyer aint great, but he's way, way, way better than Pelosi. That might be the single wrongest thing I have ever read.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Hoyer aint great, but he's way, way, way better than Pelosi. On what merits, exactly? He seems pretty trash to me.
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MANime in the sheets posted:She really is that bad, in the exact same vein as Schumer and Feinstein. Corporate controlled, more worried about fundraising and toeing the party line than actually trying to enact decent legislation that will help people. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if she wasn't Minority Leader/Speaker in waiting, but she is. I think it might help if you interpret what I said more as "folks like Schumer or Feinstein are even worse" rather than complimenting Pelosi. Pelosi is very "normal Democrat" bad, which is still very bad, while Schumer is bad even by normal Democrat standards (to the extent that many of the people who normally defend Democrats on this forum won't even defend him). Like, if I were specifically wanting to name people who represent the worst of the Democratic Party, I wouldn't include her in the list. But she is very indicative of the deep problems that apply to most of the party (like the aforementioned thing about her just confirming what Hoyer said about attempting to rig primaries).
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'll support replacing Pelosi when I hear a good plan for exactly who we're replacing her with. Well yeah, assuming the caucus revolts and doesn't elect Pelosi, they sure aren't going to vote for Steny loving Hoyer. This is a just meaningless talk, since we know it will be her if the Dems take back the house. The primary meddling pisses me off more than the policy positions of those in charge because it means the whole 'change the party in the primaries' is largely impossible. Bernie certainly isn't having much luck supporting challengers. I would suggest Keith Ellison, but he's leaving the House to run for MN AG, so.... If the Dems do win the House, selecting a speaker will be interesting. It's going to be a small majority, and they may not be able to get 218 votes inside the party. And the way the GOP is running against her, she may not be able to pick up many votes on the other side of the aisle to make up the difference.
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Fun fact I just learned, since companies are shady as poo poo and don't tell the public anything...the army is gonna start carting like 120k tons of radioactive dirt from Ohio to our local dump! It's less than half a mile from my home. Here's the thing that makes me doubt these fuckers word, they say it can go anywhere, but if that's the case why can't it stay in an Ohio dump? Because Wayne county needs the money? https://twitter.com/angry_mulatto/status/1010507331774316549?s=19 gently caress the Army. gently caress Snyder. gently caress this loving poo poo hole state. I don't know why I'm even trying to make this place better it's just going to poison me literally and figuratively.
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It's because Wayne Disposal is the closest facility to that town that's experienced in handling actual hazardous waste (which this isn't, legally.) Don't stress over some literal dirt, Detroit already has plenty of beryllium and lead waste, plus plenty of exotic nasties from fuckin car manufacturers to poison us. 
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Koalas March posted:Fun fact I just learned, since companies are shady as poo poo and don't tell the public anything...the army is gonna start carting like 120k tons of radioactive dirt from Ohio to our local dump! It's less than half a mile from my home. I still don't understand how Snyder ducked any official responsibility for a policy that directly led to poisoning an entire city's water supply.
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Car Hater posted:It's because Wayne Disposal is the closest facility to that town that's experienced in handling actual hazardous waste (which this isn't, legally.) Don't stress over some literal dirt, Detroit already has plenty of beryllium and lead waste, plus plenty of exotic nasties from fuckin car manufacturers to poison us. It shows how effectively the well has been poisoned with respect to nuclear technology that some dirt with NORM levels below a hazardous classification triggers a NIMBY response.
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eat the dirt, become a dirt-themed superhero
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flashman posted:It shows how effectively the well has been poisoned with respect to nuclear technology that some dirt with NORM levels below a hazardous classification triggers a NIMBY response. On the other hand, people ought to be wary when the government decides it wants to ship suspicious sounding waste to predominantly POC communities, even if scientifically speaking the waste is nominally safe. Especially in Michigan, given Flint.
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Koalas March posted:gently caress the Army. gently caress Snyder. gently caress this loving poo poo hole state. I don't know why I'm even trying to make this place better it's just going to poison me literally and figuratively. I know why. You’re not doing it for yourself, because you’re a tremendously selfless person, and you want to help future generations. Also because you know that doing good things triggers the fascists and makes them shriek with rage. Just don’t try to do it all on your own. Even T’Challa needs his team.
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Lightning Knight posted:On the other hand, people ought to be wary when the government decides it wants to ship suspicious sounding waste to predominantly POC communities, even if scientifically speaking the waste is nominally safe. 
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Lightning Knight posted:On the other hand, people ought to be wary when the government decides it wants to ship suspicious sounding waste to predominantly POC communities, even if scientifically speaking the waste is nominally safe. In general this is why I consider it dumb to apply the standard disdain for NIMBY-ism to poor and/or POC communities, especially as it relates to environmental and health issues - there's typically an extremely good loving reason behind it.
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https://twitter.com/laurie_garrett/status/1010205853985792000?s=21 A thread.
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Lightning Knight posted:https://twitter.com/laurie_garrett/status/1010205853985792000?s=21 I can see the appeal of some of that from a small-government-pro-business-gently caress-the-poor-pro-job-creators-audit-the-fed-bootstraps-baby! angle, but what the gently caress is wrong with the FAA? I thought having standards to keep planes in good repair and not crashing into each other was a good thing. I guess the airlines will figure it out and do it cheaper on their own because ~red tape~ and taxes? Why not shut down the DoD and put Raytheon in charge of defense, since they're sooooooo good at keeping costs down?
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Lightning Knight posted:https://twitter.com/laurie_garrett/status/1010205853985792000?s=21
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Lightning Knight posted:On the other hand, people ought to be wary when the government decides it wants to ship suspicious sounding waste to predominantly POC communities, even if scientifically speaking the waste is nominally safe.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:I can see the appeal of some of that from a small-government-pro-business-gently caress-the-poor-pro-job-creators-audit-the-fed-bootstraps-baby! angle, but what the gently caress is wrong with the FAA? I thought having standards to keep planes in good repair and not crashing into each other was a good thing. NavCanada, which provides air traffic services in Canadian airspace, is a private not-for-profit and by all accounts it's far better than the FAA at it, according to both controllers and pilots, so privatization is not be awful if done correctly. We still have laws and regulations set by the government, but just like pilots, the controllers are not in the direct employment of the government despite having to do their jobs according to those laws and regulations. That being said, I have 0% faith in the Trump administration or the Republicans in general doing it correctly, so I fully expect it would be a complete shitshow if attempted in the USA. PT6A fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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