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The joke here is that Zero saw a vaguely Asian dude and started calling him Charlie Chan while making gong noises.
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I always saw the Nemoidians and the Gungans as throwbacks to the ethnic stereotype characters that would pop up in the sword and sandal epics that The Phantom Menace was homaging. Whereas those movies would portray real life ethnicities as being subservient to white heroism, in the Phantom Menace the ethnicities aren't real at all and they don't really map well to any kind of real ethnicity, so I don't know how offended to be. It's like the racist imagery in Cuphead. The throughline to the racist origin is undeniable, but it's not really used in any kind of hateful way. That being said, Yaddo is absolutely an offensive caricature.
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No accent, by itself, is bad (except a new jersey accent). For me, the issue with the Nemoidians is that instead of getting a bunch of people with a certain type of accent to act in the movie they had a bunch of british actors aping an accent instead. Here is an interesting bit from TheForce.net quote:I came across something in the local Marin County (where Skywalker Ranch resides) newspaper last Sunday that seemed of interest - at least I haven't seen anything about it on the web yet.
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Jun 23, 2018 19:35
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Ah yes, that incredibly enduring racial stereotype of the Jew from Brooklyn who *checks notes* runs a mechanic shop and owns slaves?
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Jun 23, 2018 19:38
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Jewmanji posted:Ah yes, that incredibly enduring racial stereotype of the Jew from Brooklyn who *checks notes* runs a mechanic shop and owns slaves? Interesting post/av combo. But to answer your point, it's an exaggeration of a stereotype of someone who uses financial devices to avoid honest labor by forcing someone else to do it, which really is an anti-semitic trope.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:What is it the correct accent to speak with? Also, they dress like medieval Christian clergy
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pospysyl posted:Interesting post/av combo. But to answer your point, it's an exaggeration of a stereotype of someone who uses financial devices to avoid honest labor by forcing someone else to do it, which really is an anti-semitic trope. Watto is a slaveholder not a Venetian money lender profiting off of usury.
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Jun 23, 2018 19:54
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K. Waste posted:Also, they dress like medieval Christian clergy I thought they looked more like mandarin bureaucrat stereotypes.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I thought they looked more like mandarin bureaucrat stereotypes.     The critical problem with stereotypes is that they're often used to allude to something very general in its perniciousness, when actually stereotypes are quite specific. The Neimoidians don't actually look anything like Asian stereotypes. They look like amphibious aliens, and their costumes/culture isn't particularly orientalist at all. But because they speak in a Thai accent in order to make them sound alien to a predominately English-speaking audience, their physical appearance becomes conflated with a vague idea of what an orientalist stereotype would look like. So the rub is that very many people aren't actually familiar with orientalist stereotypes, either.
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Jun 23, 2018 20:17
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zer0spunk posted:
If I saw that with no prior context I'd think it was the Space Pope
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pospysyl posted:Interesting post/av combo. But to answer your point, it's an exaggeration of a stereotype of someone who uses financial devices to avoid honest labor by forcing someone else to do it, which really is an anti-semitic trope. http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=122 Straight from the horse’s mouth
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Also note that Zero complained about the Nemoidians' 'slanty eyes', when the dude on the right clearly doesn't have slanted eyes. If anything, they slant in the opposite direction. Is he a 'white' Nemoidian? Wild Horses posted:http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=122 Watto actually has a tiny nose; look at where his nostrils are. What he has is a large, prehensile upper lip. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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Jun 24, 2018 00:54
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It's more of a trunk, really.
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Bongo Bill posted:It's more of a trunk, really. A trunk is a prehensile nose - i.e. with nostrils on the end, like an elephant. Watto specifically has a prehensile lip, like a rhinoceros.
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By golly, you're right. I hadn't noticed his nostrils were up there before.
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I want to see a toydarian with a full neckbeard.
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Bongo Bill posted:By golly, you're right. I hadn't noticed his nostrils were up there before. Which leads back to the point that this imagery doesn’t align with any actual stereotype. To my knowledge, massive upper lips aren’t a thing. Watto obviously isn’t white, yet nobody can really say what race he is. He’s both ‘of a race’ and ‘raceless’ in a way that makes people uncomfortable, because the truth is that Watto is just a person. And the Nemoidians are just people. They have personalities, unlike the scenery in the ST.
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The Trade Federation were the real heroes of the prequel trilogy. I relate to them because their two most prominent traits - cowardice and love of money - are ones I share myself. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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Jun 24, 2018 09:50
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There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere. But the other interesting fact is that Watto doesn’t actually love money, per se. He rejects Quigon’s offer to pay him 20,000 in credit because he prefers hard cash or bartering. So Watto simply hates scams. His ‘love’ is making deals and, to a lesser extent, gambling.
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The Trade Federation are the only morally upright characters in the entire saga. You can tell this is true, because in the opening crawl it indicates that their grievance is the taxation of trade routes; they are opposed to protectionism which is (as real world experience demonstrates) nothing but a polite form of xenophobia. They want to protect and perpetuate the flow of wealth into the poverty-stricken Outer Rim, but the Republic is trying to strangle it because they are bigoted against non-human beings.
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Wheat Loaf posted:The Trade Federation are the only morally upright characters in the entire saga. You can tell this is true, because in the opening crawl it indicates that their grievance is the taxation of trade routes; they are opposed to protectionism which is (as real world experience demonstrates) nothing but a polite form of xenophobia. The Trade Federation hold the captive Naboo in concentration camps.
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Jedi propaganda, obviously. They are also the only ones who acknowledge the rights of droids: the Republic bans droids from serving in their armed forces because of their systemic robophobia, but the Trade Federation allows them to do so freely, to the point where the supreme commander of their fleet is half-droid. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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Nute and that second in command guy probably had the "are we the baddies" talk immediately before Phantom Menace as they were watching the death droids being loaded.
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Shanty posted:Nute and that second in command guy probably had the "are we the baddies" talk immediately before Phantom Menace as they were watching the death droids being loaded. "Are we the bad guys, Nute?" "Perhaps... but, no. No. There are heroes on both sides."
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Hodgepodge posted:"Are we the bad guys, Nute?" The ultimate lesson of Star Wars is that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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RBA Starblade posted:Oh my god the sound effect I saw this movie with my mom and even she, who was crying like 80% of the movie, started belly-laughing at that sound. gently caress Tom Hooper.
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Well, if 20 grand in the money someone wants to pay you has no value where you would use it, would you take that deal? If so, I will pay you 1 million Zimbabwean dollars for all of your assets. Think about it: you could be a millionaire!
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Republic credits are stable enough that they were still using them under the Empire, but there was apparently no reliable way to convert them to the local currency, wupiwupi.
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dialhforhero posted:Well, if 20 grand in the money someone wants to pay you has no value where you would use it, would you take that deal? It’s a bit different than that. Watto’s specific objection is that Republic Credits aren’t real. And what he means by that becomes clear in a few scenes: Padme: “I can't believe there's still slavery in the galaxy. The Republic's antislavery laws...” Shmii: “The Republic doesn't exist out here. We must survive on our own.” There’s a common assumption that Tatooine isn’t part of the Republic, but that’s not what Shmii says. Shmii says the rule of law does not exist out there. That’s why Padme is confused, and Quigon at least tries to use the credits: Tatooine is, theoretically, supposed to be under Republic jurisdiction. But it’s not. And so, in a directly analogous way, Watto should accept Republic credits. But he doesn’t. The Republic doesn’t exist out there. Quigon’s like trying to walk into a chop shop and pay with Mastercard. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Jedi propaganda, obviously. There's one interesting scene as Nute confers with a battle droid commander, where Nute urges the droid to "Use caution. These Jedi are not to be underestimated."
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Porgs, my dear goons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw6z9G7p1g
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The MSJ posted:Porgs, my dear goons. Jenny Nicholson seems like good people.
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The MSJ posted:Porgs, my dear goons. I died at the second target porg that exists only to gaslight her.
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thrawn527 posted:Jenny Nicholson seems like good people. Someone’s crushin hard
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Every Star War fan should endeavor to be like Jenny Nicholson tbh.
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Counteresperanto posted:There's one interesting scene as Nute confers with a battle droid commander, where Nute urges the droid to "Use caution. These Jedi are not to be underestimated." This is expanded on in the Clone Wars series where there are several droid military leaders on the separatist side and it's no big to them.
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The droid officers were also mass-produced and compelled to obey, they were just programmed for tactics and command, if I remember right.
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Bongo Bill posted:The droid officers were also mass-produced and compelled to obey, they were just programmed for tactics and command, if I remember right. Well, the point with those guys is that the commands from the ‘droid control ship’ are actually extremely general. The individual droids requite a lot of autonomy to function, which is why they speak English to each other and need squad leaders to coordinate things. Contrast with the ST droids, where it’s like whatever.
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It is made abundantly clear in the movies that the Trade Federation - the core ethos of the trade Federation - is all about the economic empowerment of minorities, which is why the government of the Republic wants to destroy them.
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