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Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Frankly I'd like to hear more about Yo'ster Isle's Five Year Plan

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THS
Sep 15, 2017

rudatron posted:

toads are imperialist lapdogs (toad-ies, even) and will be first against the wall

this is a defense of ethnic cleansing, not all toads support the monarchy. that is like conflating the people of bahrain with their rulers. some of the most advanced and class conscious people i know are toads who suffer under the yoke of their cruel master

Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
The Great Leap Upward

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Eox posted:

The Great Leap Upward

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Eox posted:

The Great Leap Upward

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
We must critically support the Kong family in their struggle against Kremling imperialism

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Waluigi, the Federalist -
"It's it Ironic tthat the bowser tee-shirts are made under Monarchy? WAH!"

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Eox posted:

The Great Leap Upward

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

"Ya! Wah! WAHOO!"
- V. I. Lenin, The State and Revolution

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

rudatron posted:

Fyi that's not marxist, its leftcom/anarchist utopianism. Its stoner logic, not serious radicalism.

leftcoms aren't utopians

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG6x5w6TiUI

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


Bowser leads the vanguard of girlfriend redistribution.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The Ocarina of Labor Time

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
for real tho, the paper mario series is an allegory for what the game series' developers considered the perils of fiat paper currency

the mushroom kingdom operates on a gold coin standard, and

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Eox posted:

The Great Leap Upward

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Leftcoms would organize the koopas/goombas to forcibly overthrow both Bowser and Princess Peach once the conditions were right and focus on organizing them and heightening the contradictions in the meantime. The turtles in that comic are liberal anarcho individualists.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
It's weird to me that anprim ppl tend to be queer/trans/disabled since all of those groups of people would be pretty hosed under an anprim society.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Ace of Baes posted:

It's weird to me that anprim ppl tend to be queer/trans/disabled since all of those groups of people would be pretty hosed under an anprim society.

A lot of anprims don't really want that society, they just think civilizational collapse is inevitable

It's a political philosophy designed to be annoying now so they get to tell you "I told you so, as you fight to death over a can of beans"


Ace of Baes posted:

The turtles in that comic are liberal anarcho individualists.

Also wtf the koopas reject property so they can't be liberal

They're just utopian anarchists

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


yeah anarchists, like those turtles and especially mario, are pretty dumb

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

yeah anarchists, like those turtles and especially mario, are pretty dumb

Still better than liberals imho

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The only thing stopping Mario from stomping all of them was his mood.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Dreddout posted:

Still better than liberals imho

ouch talk about faint praise jfc

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Dreddout posted:

A lot of anprims don't really want that society, they just think civilizational collapse is inevitable

It's a political philosophy designed to be annoying now so they get to tell you "I told you so, as you fight to death over a can of beans"


Also wtf the koopas reject property so they can't be liberal

They're just utopian anarchists

They reject property but in reality they're just existing on a piece of property where the owners don't bother them.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

WampaLord posted:

"Buhhh duhhh it's not the right kind of -ism who cares that it actually helps people understand that profit shouldn't be the defining motivation of society hurrrrr"

I would rather get stung right on the rear end in a top hat by a bee than admit I agree with rudatron, but he's right and you're being a real moron. even baloogan is just doing a bit with his prolix poo poo, read a loving book or at the very least stop being so proud of not reading books

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Anyway, the most instructive thing about the comic is that the koopas' idea of utopia is standing on the same platform forever just talking about themselves. You are communally compelled to listen to everyone's trite personal problems, and leaving that recursive world is wrong because doing anything is a form of aggression.

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Ace of Baes posted:

They reject property but in reality they're just existing on a piece of property where the owners don't bother them.

how does this supposed reality affect whether or not they're liberals?

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Jizz Festival posted:

how does this supposed reality affect whether or not they're liberals?

because they're deluding themselves into thinking they've somehow transgressed against or escaped the system when in reality they're complacent in it as long as they're afforded a set of natural rights, the key of them being that they're left alone on their platform, aka property

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
it's comparable to a group of hippies living in a van in the woods and sharing everything while proclaiming themselves revolutionary

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Ace of Baes posted:

because they're deluding themselves into thinking they've somehow transgressed against or escaped the system when in reality they're complacent in it as long as they're afforded a set of natural rights, the key of them being that they're left alone on their platform, aka property

They didn't even know they were in a kindom until mario showed up and told them. If there was no kingdom and they were just there by themselves would they still be liberals?

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Jizz Festival posted:

They didn't even know they were in a kindom until mario showed up and told them. If there was no kingdom and they were just there by themselves would they still be liberals?

I guess they're not in that case, but that's not really a good model for any kind of lesson or society, the world around them exists whether they know about it or not, and the percent of the global population that is completely ignorant/uncontacted by outsiders is <0.0000001% of the population

Infernot
Jul 17, 2015

"A short night wakes me from a dream that seemed so long."
Grimey Drawer

Ace of Baes posted:

it's comparable to a group of hippies living in a van in the woods and sharing everything while proclaiming themselves revolutionary

quote:

But for the anarchist, class is only an accessory concept. He wishes to liberate the individual, the person, and thereby conforms with the programme of the liberal and bourgeois revolution...The idea of freeing the individual, the person, and making him autonomous, boils down to the ridiculous formula of the subjective refractory individual, who shuts his eyes to society and its oppressive structure because he is convinced that he can't change it, or else he dreams about one day planting a bomb somewhere; the end result is contemporary existentialism which is unable to effect Society in the slightest.

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Ace of Baes posted:

I guess they're not in that case, but that's not really a good model for any kind of lesson or society, the world around them exists whether they know about it or not, and the percent of the global population that is completely ignorant/uncontacted by outsiders is <0.0000001% of the population

Obviously it's not a good model, but even if the rest of the world invaded that platform and killed all the grass, the koopas and mario would just accept death or go wandering elsewhere. Their ideology doesn't require that they're left alone, and they're not liberals.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

do you guys think mario hosed the koopas in the intervening years

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yandat posted:

do you guys think mario hosed the koopas in the intervening years

Mario just talked about being horny in their daily pow-wows until the urge passed.

Jizz Festival posted:

Obviously it's not a good model, but even if the rest of the world invaded that platform and killed all the grass, the koopas and mario would just accept death or go wandering elsewhere. Their ideology doesn't require that they're left alone, and they're not liberals.

It really does require that they're left alone though, because they're ideologically committed to never defending their space. They're lost in a world of pure rhetoric, which only works when the other party is interested in conversation.

Metal Cat
Dec 25, 2017

Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 02:56 on Oct 24, 2021

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Metal Cat posted:

It's a tiny patch of land, there's only 4 things they can share: the grass, the oxygen, their thoughts and their physical presence.

Yeah that loving sucks.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
good thing koopa don't need shelter or water or medicine

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
don't forget the motherfuckin blocks

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It really does require that they're left alone though, because they're ideologically committed to never defending their space. They're lost in a world of pure rhetoric, which only works when the other party is interested in conversation.

If they weren't left alone then they would accept death or wander elsewhere, as I already said. They could just as easily be homeless koopas in new donk city living off trash.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Jizz Festival posted:

If they weren't left alone then they would accept death or wander elsewhere, as I already said. They could just as easily be homeless koopas in new donk city living off trash.

then they may as well not exist at all. they refuse to engage with society at all because the only thing they care about is themselves. it’s an extremely liberal response, even if they aren’t ideologically liberal.

even anarchists will at least proselytize as a process of liberationist politics. what the koopas are doing is apolitical and non-dialectical. all they do is agree with each other on the same points over and over again.

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