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HitTheTargets posted:Weird. I saw some guy on Reddit claim to have datamined info on an Orphea hero about a month back, and the main response I remember was "Cool, I play HotS because it's a game by Blizzard, not because it's a game about Blizzard." Chris metzen character when???
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DisgracelandUSA posted:Chris metzen character when??? Jeff from the Overwatch team is so OP in this meta. First ban him or you'll regret it.
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Jun 26, 2018 00:30
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WTB Ben Brode announcer pack It's all just belly laughs and puns and rapping about lore
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One of the tougher things to learn about playing murky well is that even though your death timers are short, your deaths should still be accomplishing something.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:Chris metzen character when??? As a skin for Thrall /Raganros, this would be really funny
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HitTheTargets posted:Weird. I saw some guy on Reddit claim to have datamined info on an Orphea hero about a month back, and the main response I remember was "Cool, I play HotS because it's a game by Blizzard, not because it's a game about Blizzard." No Wave fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jun 26, 2018 |
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Jun 26, 2018 02:41
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No Wave posted:I imagine nobody will care if she's cool, you'll just see the same few vocal diablo fans getting outraged because "lore-important" characters like mephisto "still aren't in the game" and choosing to take it as a personal insult Or imperius, which makes me laugh every time. The guy had like no screentime or personality.
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Jun 26, 2018 11:15
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ToastyPotato posted:I'm just sitting here wishing Valla were more like an actual D3 Demon Hunter than the watered down boring thing she is in this game. DH is my favorite class in D3 and I just can't get into playing Valla. I mean if you want to just drop turrets all day long while they kill things you can always play Gazlowe.
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Jun 26, 2018 11:26
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Ort posted:Or imperius, which makes me laugh every time. The guy had like no screentime or personality. He's a cool looking angel with a neat crown and spear, that's more than enough to get into the game imo. Seriously though, lei shen when
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Jun 26, 2018 11:55
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Actual fun characters who should make the cut: Hogger, Blackthorne.
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Jun 26, 2018 12:10
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Yogg-Saron where he replaces your core and has infest and mind control powers. Bit like aba but not a timid slug.
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Jun 26, 2018 12:30
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If we got a core replacement hero it should either be Ner'zhul encased in the Frozen Throne or the Overmind.
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Jun 26, 2018 12:38
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We never will now that ToD and AP are in the game 
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Jun 26, 2018 13:48
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I would love the overmind but yeah AP for sure makes that not look very likely maybe they can stuff the overmind in a suit of armor and make him lurch around when he's on that map
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Jun 26, 2018 14:07
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Ort posted:Or imperius, which makes me laugh every time. The guy had like no screentime or personality. He's got big armor and is a dick to Tyrael and the player character. He's also always "right" and never wrong which aligns with the average reddit user
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Jun 26, 2018 14:14
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did it start as a reaction to auriel because he's theoretically a more lore-important angel?
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ToastyPotato posted:I'm just sitting here wishing Valla were more like an actual D3 Demon Hunter than the watered down boring thing she is in this game. DH is my favorite class in D3 and I just can't get into playing Valla. This is me but with Kharazim. Like I don't even mind that he's a support, but why doesn't he have poo poo like Cyclone Strike, real Mantras, and other cool things an actual Support Monk would use. edit: ^^^ Yeah basically, Imperius did have a few cool moments RoS, and even in D3 he always had more screen time then Auriel.
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Jun 26, 2018 14:34
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I want more 4th wall breaking heroes "I've never met a more dedicated group of LARPers" "Did the 10,000 year old demon hunter get killed by a baby fish? lol" "'Raven Lord'? OK sure goth boy" "Wait, you respawn when you die here? ... anybody wanna try skydiving without a parachute?" "Why you have to be mad? Is only game"
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Jun 26, 2018 15:23
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Shibawanko posted:You don't fight them, you simply survive against them while clearing waves with your fish (stand on top of it and tank some damage before bubbling away, leaving them less time to kill the fish before it kills the wave). Just don't advance too much and basically don't go past the halfway point if you can't afford to, your goal is to stay alive, soak xp and especially stack bribes. Then when the obj comes up, bribestack one of the camps on their(!) side of the map, assuming you have enough to instantly bribe the entire camp. So Bribe every game or what? Also, is the current QM rotation that's locked in due to event terrible for Murky? I die on the inside when I see Braxis and Tomb of the Spider Queen.
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Jun 26, 2018 16:56
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If you take trash maps out of the pool trash characters like murky and tlv get a lot worse. Alterac looks horrible for murky too right now given how important the first objective is.
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No Wave posted:If you take trash maps out of the pool trash characters like murky and tlv get a lot worse. Aren't their best maps Cursed Hollow/Sky Temple/Infernal Shrines? Those are all good maps.
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Jun 26, 2018 17:26
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GoT is their best by far. Sky temple i guess is good for them.
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banned from Starbucks posted:I mean if you want to just drop turrets all day long while they kill things you can always play Gazlowe. That's only one build and it hasn't even been the top build the past few seasons  Though I did really like it. Orange Crush Rush posted:This is me but with Kharazim. Like I don't even mind that he's a support, but why doesn't he have poo poo like Cyclone Strike, real Mantras, and other cool things an actual Support Monk would use. Yeah this bugs me too. Monk is my second most played class. Monk has so many cool and fun abilities and they picked the most bland kit for him. This is all made worse by the fact that almost none of the D3 heroes have set piece armor skins outside of Li Ming.
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When you find your team down 2-3 levels (say, 13-10), what are the appropriate steps to close the gap assuming a reasonably cooperative team? Is it just super cautious laning/soaking to grind the XP back? Generally speaking you want to keep your team together after L10, but if you're already in a position to lose team fights, this isn't a viable option, and you can't try to gank to make up the difference if the other team is sticking together. Sometimes I find my team down like that, so I'll go to the lane with the most enemy minions and just start working the lane. This leads to others getting really mad that I'm not coming to fight at the tribute or whatever - if the other team is together, that's basically just feeding at that point. Also, how close do you have to be to soak XP? I have a really difficult time judging it, especially when I know I need to stay as far back as possible in case the enemy deathball appears.
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Its not a reliable strategy but I often find that the team that's ahead tends to start playing really sloppy/cocky. So it can be really good to look for places you can get picks by an overextended enemy who's pushing too far or trying to take your mercs or something. This doesn't work if the enemy team is smart and rolling around together but it happens often enough. On the inverse if your team is far ahead, try and be wary of your team staying way too long in fights it doesn't need to be in/ isn't diving dudes at their keeps for no real reason.
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A friend of mine gets so unbelievably angry when she keeps losing games, I dunno why she keeps subjecting herself to the game. She's naturally very competitive anyway, and when players don't play optimally, especially if it's a character she's good with, she can get VERY salty. The QM being totally RNG in terms of what you get also doesn't help much for her. Like girl you need to take a break from the game or just play the draft modes without me. Compounding all that are people that go "GG" early and give up, people who get really angry in chat and never stop berating other players, and people disconnecting. Almost every game someone on our team disconnects and either never comes back or keeps re-connecting and disconnecting repeatedly. I can deal with all that for the most part, but she absolutely can't and at some point it's like, you should probably just not play this anymore. Unrelated but kind of related???: The objective on Alterac feels stupid strong, like Braxis strong. Losing that first objective can be devastating edit: We did have a game earlier where I was Murky and the rest of our team was Chromie, Tassadar, Nova and Zagara and the other team was Junkrat, Aba, Valeera, Butcher and Zeratul. That went about as well for us as you'd expect  I can't even be mad about that kind of QM match up
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Yeah, the Pass objective seems overlooked. Maybe dividing the power from one cavalry into three would make it okay, so AoE heroes can do more work against their push.
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I've said it forever and I know people will disagree because there is always someone who is more than happy with the status quo no matter what that is, but I still say QM would be better if it were more like the brawls where you load in and then select your character. And to nip the one thing in the bud where people insist that this will allow people to snipe pick characters unfairly, just make it so that you queue as your preferred character, so that when you load in, you are already locked into that character and no one else can pick it. But then you have 30 seconds to switch. Done, easy. Wonky rear end QM match ups suck the wind out of me and long queues and the draft portion of draft mode itself is not fun for me or a lot of other people. Adding a simple 30 second or less step to QM isn't going to make QM less quick, but it will at least give people a chance to avoid ridiculous team comps without blowing up queue times. "But people will just argue and demand picks during the preload phase!" People already argue and criticize each other plenty in QM. Literally nothing changes. If people try to dodge matches during this phase, gently caress em and punish them.
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If you're 3 levels down the game is usually over barring a wipe on the core or a good fight under a keep. 2 levels is salvageable I would say. Problem with the 3 level difference is you're always going to be down a talent tier in addition to the 13% stats advantage the enemy team has. The mathematical best way to recover is to have one person in each lane soaking and everyone else doing mercs. This falls apart if the enemy team gets any kills (now you lose soak in one of the lanes) or is able to successfully push, getting xp from structures. So your priority is to clear waves as quickly and safely as possible. Getting a kill on an enemy is going to be much more lucrative, especially when you are at a level disadvantage, but is unlikely. If you're down levels and there is an objective coming up, it can be more beneficial to give it up and soak lanes, and if possible safely, push a lane furthest from the objective, to get some structure xp. XP soak range is your vision range, which isn't very helpful when you get shared vision of your lane minions and structures.
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so you lose if no one goes support and the other team does. QM is the place where you can't get criticized for hero selection, that is the entire point of the mode. The correct solution is to make the hots draft faster like in dooter.
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There's basically nothing you can do to save QM apart from what they've already done to enforce normal-ish teams because people who mainly play QM want absolutely nothing to do with any sort of team character selection whatsoever
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Jun 26, 2018 18:56
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No Wave posted:so you lose if no one goes support and the other team does. QM is the place where you can't get criticized for hero selection, that is the entire point of the mode. I'm gonna be honest and say I have no idea how Dota and LoL handle drafts so I can't really comment if their system is better or not. But people will always criticize in QM so saying that adds criticism is silly. Also everyone would have the same opportunity to swap if they see there is no healer or tank so again, it is what it is. I've already had QM games where the other team has ridiculous amounts of self healing and protection into my team of no heals and no protection. I've had QM games where my team had low heals and low dps characters vs some of the beefiest, hardest hitting characters in the game. So the current QM is already perfectly capable of being unfair. I think RNG unfairness is worse than people choosing to be dumb. Star posted:They’ve also said that they will enforce a stricter QM matchmaking soon For some reason I thought it was the other way around and already implemented.
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If you havent played draft modes idk if you have the perspective to say that people criticize regardless of mode. I assure you there is much much less criticism in QM. My disagreement isn't "silly", you just have no idea what you're talking about.
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Whenever the idea of changing QM gets thrown around a number people all say they would immediately quit if QM was changed from LOCK IN HERO GO GO to anything else With the large % of the game's population only playing QM I'd imagine a lot of them feel the same way
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No Wave posted:If you havent played draft modes idk if you have the perspective to say that people criticize regardless of mode. I assure you there is much much less criticism in QM. I don't recall saying I never played draft modes in HotS. Orthodox Rabbit posted:Whenever the idea of changing QM gets thrown around a number people all say they would immediately quit if QM was changed from LOCK IN HERO GO GO to anything else I mean I can just as easily say that the number people complaining about QM matchmaking is higher than the number of people threatening to quit QM if it changed.
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ToastyPotato posted:I mean I can just as easily say that the number people complaining about QM matchmaking is higher than the number of people threatening to quit QM if it changed. I mean I agree with you in that I think QM would be better if there was some way to adjust picks based on what you get because it's not fun to me to random into completely lop-sided teams. I even suggest the same idea before that you get a brawl-like selection of 2 alternate heroes to the one you picked but a bunch of people quickly posted that they'd rather get completely random teams and just lose than have anything resembling team drafting
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:I mean I agree with you in that I think QM would be better if there was some way to adjust picks based on what you get because it's not fun to me to random into completely lop-sided teams. I even suggest the same idea before that you get a brawl-like selection of 2 alternate heroes to the one you picked but a bunch of people quickly posted that they'd rather get completely random teams and just lose than have anything resembling team drafting I like the idea of having alternates too but the issue with that is what happens when everyone is just picking three assassins? It's the same RNG problem just slightly reduced, unless you are forced to pick three different roles. I wouldn't take some people complaining about that system here, or even reddit to represent any kind of majority. Forums are home to plenty of people who will diligently defend the dumbest poo poo, so it isn't a good barometer for how a population of people might actually feel. Outside of an in game poll, there is no way to know how popular or unpopular that would be.
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I'm interested to see what the new QM matchmaking will be like and how badly it will mess with queue times if at all.
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