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Harik posted:This is made up. Obama and his admin brought up garland constantly They really didn't, and when they did, there wasn't exactly any sort of implicit threat or urgency to what they said. It usually carried the tone of, "Uuuuuuh...I'm going to be VERY disappointed if the Senate does not confirm my nominee."
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Yeah, it turns out that how you appear to treat something actually matters. The senate refusing to even consider a SCOTUS appointment is a pretty drat serious thing, but the way the dems treated it was like it was some minor annoyance instead of actually raising hell over it. Incidentally this is why the dems keep falling flat - the GOP keeps doing poo poo that is on the level of a constitutional crisis, but the dem establishment just goes on like it's business as usual and we need bipartisanship and all the usual bullshit that's never loving worked ever. Even worse, they do it while pointing out the poo poo the GOP does and expecting people to get all mad and support them because of that, except as mentioned they still want to do business with the same people they're accusing of everything up to and including treason, which obviously makes no sense whatsoever. Hence the dems look like complete bullshitters at best and a buncha quislings at worst and it won't loving work this time either. So they once again have only themselves and their  -addled smoothbrains to blame.
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Harik posted:And who can forget the truly riveting scandal that was the single most important issue of the 2016 campaign People who keep the dumb emails thing afloat are disingenuous. There are plenty of reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton beyond her email server; her email story hadn't happened yet in 2008 and there were a shitload of Obama canvassers, donors, etc in D&D working tirelessly to kill her campaign in the primaries. It's because she's an agent of a lovely system who has failed us time and time again, and eight years hadn't changed that.
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Yeah the weird duality of Democratic messaging is that Republicans are terrible and you need to vote against them regardless of anything else but also we need to constantly reach across the aisle and compromise with them. It resulted in people saying simultaneously that Clinton was the only person that could gently caress over the Republicans (as she would want vengeance after decades of abuse) but also she could meet them in the middle and get Congress to effectively legislate. They want the easy path of compromise and civility when they do their jobs but then try and hijack the passion for resistance during elections. It's incredibly cynical and as 2010 through 2016 showed is not a very effective motivator. You can blame the SCOTUS disaster on the media which is partly true but Obama took the path of least resistance throughout that entire ordeal starting with picking a boring centrist. That was a constitutional crisis that was basically shrugged through assuming you could shame Republicans or that pointing out their hypocrisy meant a drat. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jun 28, 2018 |
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As I mentioned in C-SPAM, the Republicans had been preparing for Clinton's run for 16 years minimum, and the demographic that Clinton hung her entire strategy on- 'moderate' suburban white conservatives- was one that had been very specifically taught by conservative media to despise her specifically.
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Isn’t there a phrase about the Democratic Party being a place where movements die? If not, it sounds about right.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:As I mentioned in C-SPAM, the Republicans had been preparing for Clinton's run for 16 years minimum, and the demographic that Clinton hung her entire strategy on- 'moderate' suburban white conservatives- was one that had been very specifically taught by conservative media to despise her specifically. Even when I thought she was going to win the people saying she was the Responsible choice since only she could get cross over votes from Republicans sounded crazy. I dont think people who said that have ever met a real Republican in the flesh or were idiotic pundits that believed the Never Trumpers were a demographic that mattered. Every Republican I have ever met hates her with a passion regardless of if they are full on Trumpster or just hankering for some tax cuts. We couldn't have nominated a more divisive candidate from the primary to the general and it wasn't even because of a radical agenda, she and her husband are just totally toxic. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jun 28, 2018 |
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Jun 28, 2018 13:50
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Let me google this for you
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Maybe I'm just tired and sore, but it's one of those days where anarcho-primitivism is the only viable solution to all of the world's problems and only if you insist that there should be some people left in the world.
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Star Man posted:Maybe I'm just tired and sore, but it's one of those days where anarcho-primitivism is the only viable solution to all of the world's problems and only if you insist that there should be some people left in the world.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Anarcho-primitivism is just a doomsday cult for atheists. Also if humanity gets reduced to that point it isn’t gonna be a bunch of hippie white people doing the surviving.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Anarcho-primitivism is just a doomsday cult for atheists. Oh, for sure. I'm just cranky this morning. But if we want go balls to the wall, no going back permanent solution, then here's what we do: And except for maybe the first following paragraph, the rest of this is all in bad, sarcastic humor. If you want to fix the world's ills, then you start with decolonizing the Americas, Australia, and Africa. Send everybody back to the continents their pre-Columbian ancestors came from. Oh crap, the same old poo poo in Europe happens again and some of them get ideas about expanding out of the continent. Better just annihilate them for good measurem Aw poo poo, now China wants to do it to. Better give them the business. Wait, Egypt and the Aztecs have empires and the Iroquois could be argued to be imperialistic too? Better take them out. poo poo, there is the potential for a group of people that have never experienced capitalism to reinvent it. Destroy them because it's the only way to be sure. So ithere are no more humans, but there remains the possibily that another great ape or bird or lizard eventaully evolves human-like intelligence and repeats all the bad stuff again. Better just lay waste to all life on earth, just in case. Life could arise on Earth again. Blow it up too. What if there are other sentient beings in the universe and evils like capitalism also exist in their societies? Zzzaaaap! We might have missed something in some remote corner of the universe. Annihilate the whole thing! What if there is a God and they decide to just erase everything and start over, but the bad things from the previous iteration repeat themselves? THEN WE KILL GOD. What if there's more than one creator or god? THEN WE KILL THEM TOO.
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Star Man posted:Oh, for sure. I'm just cranky this morning. final fantasy
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Ghost Leviathan posted:As I mentioned in C-SPAM, the Republicans had been preparing for Clinton's run for 16 years minimum, and the demographic that Clinton hung her entire strategy on- 'moderate' suburban white conservatives- was one that had been very specifically taught by conservative media to despise her specifically. What's really loving annoying is hillary loving knew this but didn't care
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:What's really loving annoying is hillary loving knew this but didn't care I bet Hillary has the same jacket Melania does.
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Star Man posted:Oh, for sure. I'm just cranky this morning. And here I thought Posadism was far out.
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I don’t like Hillary, but “you shouldn’t run because the sexism is too ingrained and too strong” is a weird take. Hillary could have given the Bernie people a better reception than “get on board with all our ideas because we aren’t taking any of yours”, but she didn’t.
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Craptacular! posted:Hillary could have given the Bernie people a better reception than “get on board with all our ideas because we aren’t taking any of yours”, but she didn’t.
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HootTheOwl posted:Except the party platform. Which she immediately threw out and her followers adopted doughnut emojis when they shut out a progressive black woman trying to deliver a petition to add to it and instead gave her doughnuts and told her to be thankful.
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This isn't even the sexism, Republicans have been trained to specifically hate Hilary Clinton for decades, and she hung her strategy specifically on those people voting for her.
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Craptacular! posted:I don’t like Hillary, but “you shouldn’t run because the sexism is too ingrained and too strong” is a weird take.
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Their hatred of Hillary is largely rooted in sexism, though. It's understandable why you wouldn't want to let that win the day. They would have done the same thing to Obama except the whole black president idea seemed incredulous so they weren't doing prep in 2005.
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Craptacular! posted:Their hatred of Hillary is largely rooted in sexism, though. It's understandable why you wouldn't want to let that win the day. They would have done the same thing to Obama except the whole black president idea seemed incredulous so they weren't doing prep in 2005. edit: Prester Jane posted:Democratic voter apathy towards Hillary was not really all that related to the wild rear end conspiracy theories about the right embraced about Hillary. twodot fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jun 29, 2018 |
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Craptacular! posted:Their hatred of Hillary is largely rooted in sexism, though. It's understandable why you wouldn't want to let that win the day. They would have done the same thing to Obama except the whole black president idea seemed incredulous so they weren't doing prep in 2005. Democratic voter apathy towards Hillary was not really all that related to the wild rear end conspiracy theories that the right embraced about Hillary. It was more rooted in the fact that she was a quasi-corrupt technocrat with the charisma of applesauce- on top of the fact that she made no real effort to hide her disdain for actual leftist policies and tut-tutted the Millennials with the admonition that her ideas were the very best we could possibly ever hope to realistically get so we had better support her or else. I've made this argument before and I'll make it again. Hillary Clinton was one of the most highly qualified managers the American political system ever produced- but she was not a leader. A leader is able to inspire a group of people to cooperate together because they believe in a common image of the future. Hate Donald Trump all you want- his followers were all talking about how awesome life would be with him as president and Hillary's followers were talking about how polished her resume was. Hilary also deeply lacks self-awareness of how either the right or the left actually perceived her, and preferred instead to quixotically pursue Centrist voters who she viewed as being the most amenable to her pro-corporate policies. And that's before we even get into the gobsmacking hubris of constructing your battle plan around the idea that you had already won. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jun 29, 2018 |
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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nancy-pelosi-says-socialism-is-not-ascendant-in-the-democratic-party/ Haha I wonder how pissed she was when her guy lost. Seriously she is so lame and not a leader.
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Radish posted:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nancy-pelosi-says-socialism-is-not-ascendant-in-the-democratic-party/  someone has been receiving nervous phone calls from the donors this week.
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Dirk Pitt posted:We really can’t replace Pelosi guys. Just gotta deal with the cards we are dealt. We just have to wait until she can fimd and train up a replacement since her talent and experience is too important (because the bought guy she was banking on just got ganked.)
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Dirk Pitt posted:We really can’t replace Pelosi guys. Just gotta deal with the cards we are dealt. Barbra Lee.
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Radish posted:https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nancy-pelosi-says-socialism-is-not-ascendant-in-the-democratic-party/ SHe's trapped in fifty years ago when "socialism" was a dirty scary thing, and she's still reacting to Republican framing of all Democrats as socialist and therefore bad and scary and evil and basically Stalin. This is why we need new leadership; the old leadership has been boxing the same fights for so many decades that they can't think outside the ring.
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Dirk Pitt posted:We really can’t replace Pelosi guys. Just gotta deal with the cards we are dealt. Her protege going down increases the possibility she falls in a leadership election in the next congress
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:SHe's trapped in fifty years ago when "socialism" was a dirty scary thing, and she's still reacting to Republican framing of all Democrats as socialist and therefore bad and scary and evil and basically Stalin. Yeah, you need even older leaders, ones who formed their politics under the influence of wartime propaganda about Uncle Joe and his great friendship to the American people.
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Ritual murder for anyone older than 28 IMO. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Ritual murder for anyone older than 28 IMO. would this be a one time thing because if so it'd be nice to get this done before the autumn
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Raskolnikov38 posted:would this be a one time thing because if so it'd be nice to get this done before the autumn
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