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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

more on labor in china

quote:

One of the most contentious provisions of the law is Article 14.

Under this, workers who have served 10 straight years or two consecutive fixed-term employment contracts with a company would automatically migrate to an “open-ended contract”. An open-ended contract would give employees greater job security since it would provide for employment-until-retirement and dismissal only with ‘just cause’ (such as breach of contract); it would also provide for a higher severance pay in the event of a layoff, even which would be enforced only in more restrictive circumstances.

In effect, according to Dickson, the new law “re-establishes the Iron Rice Bowl” - the extraordinary welfare benefits and employment for life that Chinese businesses extended to their employees until the 1990s.

The provisions of Article 14 have so unnerved companies operating in China that some of them are resorting to dubious means to sidestep it.

Earlier this month, Chinese telecom equipment supplier Huawei initiated a programme of “voluntary resignation” of 7,000 long-term workers - with plans to rehire them on fixed-term contracts.

But under pressure from key New Left supporters of the law, and China’s only official trade union, the All China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU), Huawei was forced to suspend it.

China is now looking to establish some of the fundamentals needed to raise living standards - such as a fair wage. But ironically, it is precisely those provisions of the law that would “de-casualise” labour and restore the Iron Rice Bowl that have employers running scared.

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Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


Man, R. Guyovich is fascinating. Every other Maoist sort I’ve met says that modern China is a perversion of Maoism. Of course, they still ignore how awful Mao was, calling it all western propaganda and so on, and one sent me an article about how even Mao wasn’t Maoist, and that “Maoism pro Maoism” only came into existence in 1987. Seeing a Maoist who likes modern China is really interesting, because you can’t just go “you don’t know it was the past so nobody knows the truth.”

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

(cradling back and forth) 70% right.. 30% wrong... 70% right.... 30% wrong...

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I don't mean to speak for R. Guyovich but I've never seen him claim that China is Maoist.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I don't mean to speak for R. Guyovich but I've never seen him claim that China is Maoist.

Oh, fair enough. Might’ve assumed. Though that just makes it more puzzling.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Infernot posted:



Need I say more, Western (imperialist core) leftist???

every single one of those guys in that room have overseas bank accounts with millions of $$$ in it

marx would indeed be proud

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
honestly I wouldn't even mind half of what china does if it was just a bit easier to get news from there

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

namesake posted:

The loving state of this argument.

tbf strikes are indeed a threat to Socialism and pretty much every single Socialist state needs to break them up asap, even Lenin realized that pretty loving fast after 1917 when munitions workers went on strike

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Tiberius Thyben posted:

Oh, fair enough. Might’ve assumed. Though that just makes it more puzzling.

lmao this is the weakest conclusion to making random swipes at [tankie/Maoist/Dengist/Xiite/Posadist] scum R. Guyovich yet

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Typo posted:

every single one of those guys in that room have overseas bank accounts with millions of $$$ in it

marx would indeed be proud

Oh word?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Karl Barks posted:

(cradling back and forth) 70% right.. 30% wrong... 70% right.... 30% wrong...
lol

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Typo posted:

every single one of those guys in that room have overseas bank accounts with millions of $$$ in it

marx would indeed be proud

hey now a good chunk o fthem also have billions

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
https://twitter.com/EternalBolshie/status/1012735678671618048?s=19

THS
Sep 15, 2017

in china are most flats basically condos you own? because i can’t imagine that means most chinese millennials have a back yard and white picket fence

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Yandat posted:

in china are most flats basically condos you own? because i can’t imagine that means most chinese millennials have a back yard and white picket fence

Everyone gets a 99 year lease

Rhukatah
Feb 26, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo

Larry Parrish posted:

say what you will about china but its pretty fail that the state that invented landlord murder also brought back landlords

The French invented and rejected the revolutionary calendar. The British abolished and brought back their monarchy. Sometimes nations try things and then don't stick with them. Why must you hold China to such a uniquely high standard?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
lol

:rip: america

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Rhukatah posted:

The French invented and rejected the revolutionary calendar. The British abolished and brought back their monarchy. Sometimes nations try things and then don't stick with them. Why must you hold China to such a uniquely high standard?

because unlike nerd poo poo like calenders or having a parliament with a lord protector versus a parliament with a king is lame and pointless, where as land lords are enemies of the people

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Metric time was unironically good

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Rhukatah posted:

The French invented and rejected the revolutionary calendar. The British abolished and brought back their monarchy. Sometimes nations try things and then don't stick with them. Why must you hold China to such a uniquely high standard?

bringing back all those things was a mistake

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

rudatron posted:

Metric time was unironically good

its still nerd poo poo

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Last I heard China had the whole problem where they keep building entire cities with malls and residential complexes that no one wants to live in yet. The big difference probably is that they're actually building affordable, high-density housing because they don't give a poo poo about NIMBYs.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Last I heard China had the whole problem where they keep building entire cities with malls and residential complexes that no one wants to live in yet. The big difference probably is that they're actually building affordable, high-density housing because they don't give a poo poo about NIMBYs.

yeah the quality isn't great but i had a friend check some out in Qingdao and they're pretty widely available with newish amenities

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Last I heard China had the whole problem where they keep building entire cities with malls and residential complexes that no one wants to live in yet. The big difference probably is that they're actually building affordable, high-density housing because they don't give a poo poo about NIMBYs.

china's population is shifting from rural to urban areas. pre-building cities is part of the planning for that migration.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i would kill for just one goddamn planned city in the states. take a low electoral-vote state with plenty of access to water like mississippi or iowa and just make a new port. there would be huge demand for that sort of thing if there were giant apartment towers with controlled rent

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

i say swears online posted:

i would kill for just one goddamn planned city in the states. take a low electoral-vote state with plenty of access to water like mississippi or iowa and just make a new port. there would be huge demand for that sort of thing if there were giant apartment towers with controlled rent

Does Celebration, Florida count as a "planned city?"

Hell, EPCOT was originally supposed to be a new way of building cities, let's build that.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Actually having civic planning is like, cheat codes for the modern economy.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

when i was in nigeria and had to pre-pay the cable bill in person, it was a chore i didn't give a poo poo about. the only free channel was CCTV whose only commercial in 2013 was for PORT OF DANDONG and i watched it all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22MoH8GuQ6U

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


i say swears online posted:

i would kill for just one goddamn planned city in the states. take a low electoral-vote state with plenty of access to water like mississippi or iowa and just make a new port. there would be huge demand for that sort of thing if there were giant apartment towers with controlled rent

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


no dammit

...no

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
That looks like the town destroyed by a test nuke in the last Indiana Jones.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

it looks like one of those soviet fake american towns that are always mentioned in spy novels, where the future sleeper agents are surrounded by american stuff (TV shows, cars, people, etc etc) so they'll fit in more when they're sent to america

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1013000006486261760

(CGTN is chinese state television -- formerly CCTV -- for overseas markets)

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
now, what's more noteworthy, that CGTN gave coverage to a Pride event in Spain? or that CGTN casually didn't mention that it was a Pride event?

both maybe?

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

now, what's more noteworthy, that CGTN gave coverage to a Pride event in Spain? or that CGTN casually didn't mention that it was a Pride event?

both maybe?

the rainbow flag as lgbt symbol isn't some alien idea to chinese people

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

R. Guyovich posted:

the rainbow flag as lgbt symbol isn't some alien idea to chinese people
it's not whether they're aware of it or not that's the main problem i think

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



R. Guyovich posted:

the rainbow flag as lgbt symbol isn't some alien idea to chinese people

It's that the state chose not to mention it. Media being obtuse or dishonest is a bad thing.

Infernot
Jul 17, 2015

"A short night wakes me from a dream that seemed so long."
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/AbdugheniSabit/status/1000131015904555009

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

creating uyghurs with chinese characteristics

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Metal Cat
Dec 25, 2017

Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 02:57 on Oct 24, 2021

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