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ThndrShk2k posted:Businesses can't grow if people don't have jobs to get money to give to businesses so they can grow and make jobs. oh, you're just being dumb
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Ace of Baes posted:oh, you're just being dumb 
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Also the whole 'work' argument would be better suited to being discussed as an 'employment' argument. There's plenty of work to be done, there's just no one employing anyone to do it because it's not immediately profitable, and may only profit society rather than a singular entity. One might even ask: 'What Is To Be Done?'
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GalacticAcid posted:if you take seriously the idea that opposition to immigration is about 'jobs' you're a loving moron It's also so that "but what if we let them in as an effective slave class" seems like a compromise rather than the win condition everyone is striving for.
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docbeard posted:It's also so that "but what if we let them in as an effective slave class" seems like a compromise rather than the win condition everyone is striving for. ah that's true and i hadn't considered it in those terms
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docbeard posted:It's also so that "but what if we let them in as an effective slave class" seems like a compromise rather than the win condition everyone is striving for. this is literally the neoliberal position on it as centrist Voldemort pointed out to me in a bad thread.
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Luv 2 watch cable news at my cocktail partiesObama posted:"If what you are doing requires no sacrifice at all, then you can do more," Obama told the tony crowd at a sweeping multi-million-dollar Beverly Hills home. "If you are one of these folks who is watching cable news at your cocktail parties with your friends and you are saying 'civilization is collapsing' and you are nervous and worried, but that is not where you are putting all your time, energy and money, then either you don't actually think civilization is collapsing ... or you are not pushing yourself hard enough and I would push harder." https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/obama-democrats-fundraiser/index.html
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Luv 2 watch cable news at my cocktail parties Obama is a hypocrite for saying this but he isn't wrong saying it to that crowd
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Ace of Baes posted:I think it depends on your definition of open borders, if by open borders you mean an accessible immigration process that allows (almost) anyone who wants to immigrate the ability to and a demilitarized border that's good and what we've had for most of US history. yea this is my definition but I assume open-border advocates are using the other definition.
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Ace of Baes posted:Third party Bloomberg would get less votes than 2016 Jill Stein. I dunno about that, but it sure would be fun to see all the gently caress YOU FOR UNDERMINING OUR PRECIOUS PARTY UNITY, BERNIE types come out in support of him
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My (semi) serious position is that a world without divisions is one we should be striving for, but that the way to get there is to tackle the load-bearing injustices that are shoring up those divisions.
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docbeard posted:My (semi) serious position is that a world without divisions is one we should be striving for, but that the way to get there is to tackle the load-bearing injustices that are shoring up those divisions. a world without divisions in databases
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Consolidate databases, not datacenters.
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Shear Modulus posted:a world without divisions in databases ...also yes.
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saying more immigrant workers don't economically hurt american workers is like saying chinese workers don't hurt american workers of course capitalists use increased labor supply to exploit their labor force further the root of the problem here is absurd capitalist exploitation that causes workers to be worse off when there is more productivity
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I'm for decriminalization but that's still a separate issue from open borders
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Barry Convex posted:hey, who wouldn't take one of the people behind the Willie Horton ad at face value about what swing voters think Bernie was more popular than Hillary among independents
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Barry Convex posted:hey, who wouldn't take one of the people behind the Willie Horton ad at face value about what swing voters think 2016 primary results:  
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Barry Convex posted:hey, who wouldn't take one of the people behind the Willie Horton ad at face value about what swing voters think i like the part where he claims that attacking wall street is bad because everyone fantasizes about being a bond trader
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Barry Convex posted:hey, who wouldn't take one of the people behind the Willie Horton ad at face value about what swing voters think lmao somehow the question how to pay for it only gets asked for programs that benefit poor people. quote:Ocasio-Cortez calls for single-payer healthcare, the abolition of ICE, and free college for all. Forget about the underlying arithmetic and how to pay for all of it – which either requires sky-high taxation or flat-out sorcery. Rather, this is a cultural manifesto, a cry for open borders, and a demand for one ginormous nausea-inducing free lunch.
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Barry Convex posted:hey, who wouldn't take one of the people behind the Willie Horton ad at face value about what swing voters think there have been 500 articles between 2008 and now about how the swing voter is a relic of the past and doesn't exist anymore, someone should link him to one the hill published because i'm sure they have at least a couple
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etalian posted:lmao somehow the question how to pay for it only gets asked for programs that benefit poor people. where are you going to get the money for that half priced medicine *jerk off hand signals*
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Thought of Hillary today when a hispanic acquaintance said "abuela" referring to her actual grandma
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ThndrShk2k posted:What about the fact that just because there's more workers doesn't mean there's more businesses offering work? better start culling the poors so they don't exceed the population that our generous business overlords are willing to employ etalian posted:lmao somehow the question how to pay for it only gets asked for programs that benefit poor people. not only programs that benefit poor people remember when the Dems tried to grill Trump on how he was going to pay for the wall, and then campaigned on how ridiculous his answer was, and then won bigly in 2016 because voters really care about "but how do we PAY for this?" concern trolling on things they want?
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:there have been 500 articles between 2008 and now about how the swing voter is a relic of the past and doesn't exist anymore, someone should link him to one the hill published because i'm sure they have at least a couple It's because pundits live in the past they get confused by candidates like Bernie and Ocasio. It's also important to note that this upset victory was won by just 4000 votes and this result blocked Pelosi's corporate dem Crowley from keeping his position. 
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Thought of Hillary today when a hispanic acquaintance said "abuela" referring to her actual grandma you have a sickness
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Barry Convex posted:hey, who wouldn't take one of the people behind the Willie Horton ad at face value about what swing voters think I still think you can get a surprising slice of moderate GOP voters if you actually had a real alternative to Republican lite from the democrats
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Feldegast42 posted:I still think you can get a surprising slice of moderate GOP voters if you actually had a real alternative to Republican lite from the democrats
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:2016 primary results: What do the colors mean
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