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Platystemon posted:If he registered it, Musk should settle before he loses in court. I would say the same thing if he had drawn Mickey Mouse. wow you sound like an extremely competent lawyer
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:wow you sound like an extremely competent lawyer Well I’m not and I don’t claim to be. If you think anything I said in particular is wrong, do point it out.
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Jun 30, 2018 00:52
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Platystemon posted:If he registered it, Musk should settle before he loses in court. I would say the same thing if he had drawn Mickey Mouse. he stole the guys work and didn't pay him. if the guy can legally prove he's the one who drew it that's a violation of copyright law. it doesn't matter if there are "damages" or not. it's also morally wrong to use an artist's work in a commercial product without paying them. don't see why you're having trouble with this.
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Stexils posted:actually, artists should be paid for their work
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Stexils posted:actually, artists should be paid for their work
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Stexils posted:actually, artists should be paid for their work
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Jun 30, 2018 00:56
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Platystemon posted:Well I’m not and I don’t claim to be. the part where you are quite certain that using another artist's work without their permission in marketing materials for your product and then including it as part of said product requires "damages" to be proven pursuant to a complaint of copyright infringement
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I don’t know why y’all are so focused on money. What if the artist thinks Elon Musk is a shithead and does’t want their work associated with him? That is an equally valid reason to enforce a trademark or copyright.
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Platystemon posted:I don’t know why y’all are so focused on money. people tend to focus on money when you steal from them
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Platystemon posted:I don’t know why y’all are so focused on money. maybe since you know fuckall about it you shouldn't be asserting your dumbass opinions on what you think the law is
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Jun 30, 2018 01:10
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If the guy is charging people a certain amount to utilize his copywritten image, he could sue for all of the payment that Musk would have had to give him had he acquired it legally. Like if he would have asked for royalties for its use on every Tesla, he could be awarded damages equal to that amount multiplied by how many cars had the stolen artwork.
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glynnenstein posted:Some igneous rock has density figures lower than some of the numbers I've seen for lava density, so I imagine there are occasions where rocks are floating on lava, whether or not that one is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumice quote:Pumice is a common product of explosive eruptions (plinian and ignimbrite-forming) and commonly forms zones in upper parts of silicic lavas. Pumice has an average porosity of 90%[citation needed], and initially floats on water.
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Stexils posted:people tend to focus on money when you steal from them smh at the success of Jack Valenti’s propaganda campaign
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Jun 30, 2018 01:16
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yeah we definitely should live and let live so that elon musk's money vault doesn't sink by a half inch.
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i figured the lava raft was the flow accreting onto local sediement or something until it pulled a big hunk of it off of the channel wall
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Stexils posted:yeah we definitely should live and let live so that elon musk's money vault doesn't sink by a half inch. Principles are principles regardless of the personalities of the present parties. What should the consequences be if an engineer who sold widgets out of her garage routed some traces on the circuit board in the shape of Mickey Mouse’s head?
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Platystemon posted:Principles are principles regardless of the personalities of the present parties. congrats on your powerful principles on something you know nothing about.
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Stexils posted:he stole the guys work and didn't pay him. if the guy can legally prove he's the one who drew it that's a violation of copyright law. it doesn't matter if there are "damages" or not. Of course it does. That is, you know, what the copyright law you're talking about says. Assuming the copyright is registered, Musk is on the hook for actual damages + any additional profits. If there weren't any actual damages or any profits, then he's not on the hook for anything except statutory damages. If the copyright wasn't registered, then Musk can't be pursued for statutory damages. Of course it's wrong to use a creator's work without permission. Stexils posted:congrats on your powerful principles on something you know nothing about. You should probably read the actual laws you're talking about if you want to say things like that.
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Phanatic posted:Of course it does. That is, you know, what the copyright law you're talking about says. Assuming the copyright is registered, Musk is on the hook for actual damages + any additional profits. If there weren't any actual damages or any profits, then he's not on the hook for anything except statutory damages. Statutory damages can be up to 150k for willful infringement, which musks tweet is doing a pretty good job of proving. The artist is also allowed to register the copyright after the infringement.
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Booley posted:Statutory damages can be up to 150k for willful infringement, which musks tweet is doing a pretty good job of proving. The artist is also allowed to register the copyright after the infringement. Registering the copyright is necessary to bring suit at all, which is why you can register post-infringement: you have to, in order to bring suit. That doesn't retroactively create the potential for statutory damages; for you to be eligible for statutory damages, registration must precede infringement. Musk is a slimeball in this case, just like American Apparel and any other entity that just rips off someone's work and passes it off as their own. But people saying "Dumbass, you don't know the law" here must be doing so in an ironic sense. Platystemon is correct on the law, and they're not.
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chitoryu12 posted:If the guy is charging people a certain amount to utilize his copywritten image, he could sue for all of the payment that Musk would have had to give him had he acquired it legally. Like if he would have asked for royalties for its use on every Tesla, he could be awarded damages equal to that amount multiplied by how many cars had the stolen artwork. A court is going to investigate the question “what is a reasonable rate for a licence?” It is likely to find “not much”. As for statutory damages: http://www.westword.com/arts/elon-musk-is-a-fan-of-the-farting-unicorn-but-has-blown-off-creator-tom-edwards-10469853 posted:Although Edwards hadn’t copyrighted the unicorn image when Musk first used it, he’s been assured by his attorney that it’s protected. “When you make an image and sell it out in the world, there’s a de facto copyright,” explains Edwards. He has since obtained an official copyright for his flatulating unicorn. You could argue that it is wrong that dads who download Incredibles 2 are on hook for far more than Musk is here, but that’s the way it works.
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None of this is osha, for fucks sake shut up. My work has decided the focus is on workplace safety this financial year, looking forward to them continuing their current policy of failing to fix real safety issues caused by lack of storage space, dangerously cluttered machine placement, and zero procedures and instead focusing on locking people out of the spaces they need to work in and reminding people to wear ppe.
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Oh WOW the gas side of our company is deadset turning into a circus, it's hilarious to hear about daily! I think I talked about one of our warehouse guys that managed to slice his hand to the bone while sweeping. He has been promoted to Semi-Trailer Gas Haulage as a driver OBVIOUSLY because he is competent and safe *sarcasm*. In a month he has had two written warnings (one more and fired). One was smoking while DRIVING A loving TRUCK FULL OF LPG. The second was for constantly not filling out his prestart vehicle safety checklists. Well that second warning flicked a switch in his brain and now does his checklists. What happens now? He is in trouble because he is reporting any tiny thing wrong with the truck (as he is supposed to do and good on him). Management is loving PISSED due to having to spend money on windshield, wheels, tyres, mirrors etc. I just laugh because this particular truck has been actively hidden whenever inspectors arrive for years to save money on repairs etc. Even the big boss illegally drove it (doesn't have the licence) and hid it at his property once. I overheard a manager trying to figure out how they can fire him. I hope they do because the paper trail of the driver and his reporting is 100%. Even taking photos of his checklists by the trucks VIN plate every morning. Now to find a popcorn machine because watching this shitshow unravel is going to be A-Grade entertainment.
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Platystemon posted:A court is going to investigate the question “what is a reasonable rate for a licence?” Shut the gently caress up and stop making people agree with Phanatic.
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Humphreys posted:Oh WOW the gas side of our company is deadset turning into a circus, it's hilarious to hear about daily! Ah yes, the "fine, I'll follow ALL THE RULES" response.
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Splode posted:None of this is osha, for fucks sake shut up. Please don't derail the derail.
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derailments aren't OSHA so i guess they can slide
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ekuNNN posted:anything that has to do with ol' musky counts as osha right? Here's the article: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/27/elon-musk-farting-unicorn-mug-cartoon-tom-edwards Edit: gently caress, somehow missed that there was another page of posts since then, should have worn my prescription safety goggles GotLag fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jun 30, 2018 |
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StarMinstrel posted:Saw people post about train derailments a few pages back. Reminded me of this one. Nothing big, just an overworked train engineer forgetting to put the hand breaks on a train transporting oil, uphill a small town. It's a little bit more than that.The driver failed to set handbrakes on the wagons, contrary to company policy, but even if he had followed the policy it would have been insufficient: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster#Chronology And the engine wouldn't have failed, and not thus released the air braking pressure, if it hadn't caught fire because when it broke down 8 months earlier the company glued the engine back together instead of fixing it properly.
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Platystemon posted:y’all
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Yeah it seems like a real good thing to me that the employees were acquitted in their negligence charges. Lac Megantic was one of those systematic failures, where the blame has to lie with the company for not acting on any of the warnings provided the regulator, and the regulator for failing to enforce any of the dictates it was handing down.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Humphreys posted:Oh WOW the gas side of our company is deadset turning into a circus, it's hilarious to hear about daily! This rules and I cant wait to see how it plays out
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Stexils posted:actually, artists should be paid for their work
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Can any of you experts explain the value of prescription safety glasses/goggles over just wearing goggles over your glasses? I've never understood the point
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Humphreys posted:Oh WOW the gas side of our company is deadset turning into a circus, it's hilarious to hear about daily! Keep us posted  EDIT: Splode posted:Can any of you experts explain the value of prescription safety glasses/goggles over just wearing goggles over your glasses? I've never understood the point Generally, safety goggles are fine over glasses, but in some cases, moving around can dislodge your glasses under safety covers, and you can't have that happen because either you're moving or your hands are full. Another reason would be profile, as in "this chunky huge thing on my face is actually too big and should be smaller", so you'd wear goggles to avoid any catching or "turn your head and bonk" situations. Mistle fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jun 30, 2018 |
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Splode posted:Can any of you experts explain the value of prescription safety glasses/goggles over just wearing goggles over your glasses? I've never understood the point Comfort and not having to different refractive indexes annoyingly warping the image.
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Splode posted:Can any of you experts explain the value of prescription safety glasses/goggles over just wearing goggles over your glasses? I've never understood the point * Far more comfortable * the safety glasses sit closer to the face and thus leave less gap for debris to enter * issued safety glasses are often made of a crappy plastic that scratches super quickly and after a few weeks you're peering through fog. You can have prescription glasses made out of a high-refractive-index material that is extremely hard and never scratches. * nobody will 'borrow' prescription safety glasses
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that and if all you have are lovely goggles your glasses are going to fog up real bad
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GotLag posted:It's a little bit more than that.The driver failed to set handbrakes on the wagons, contrary to company policy, but even if he had followed the policy it would have been insufficient: Didn’t know that! I only really heard the preliminary stuff from way back. Really glad to know some blame ended up on the company. jfc those additional details.
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Ak Gara posted:Ah yes, the "fine, I'll follow ALL THE RULES" response.
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