Kai Tave posted:

Here's a better question; why do you expect anyone here to go into the details of their personal lives for the benefit of a dumb rear end in a top hat like yourself, and why haven't you hosed off yet?

Haystack posted:

Look, Bedlamdan, I get that you're in a place where the idea of being playful with sex is scary and borderline incomprehensible.

Bedlamdan posted:

something potentially awkward

Lemon-Lime posted:

that you think this is the reason people have a problem with titty miniatures.

Bedlamdan posted:

It still amounts to the same thing in the end though?

Bedlamdan posted:

I already know why you have a problem with titty miniatures, you've already made it clear in multiple posts whenever somebody does it. It still amounts to the same thing in the end though? Weird and awkwardly spliced in sex stuff when you're really just trying to have a good time with friends, and a lack of understanding that maybe a public space isn't even remotely the best place for this sort of thing.

fool_of_sound posted:

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

People are going hard on you because your original comment sounded like a personal attack against the entire community here, which would have got you off on the wrong foot even if there weren't deeper issues here.

People get upset about Kingdom Death because it takes rape and sexual abuse and losing control of your body and presents it as "looking how loving cool this is!" There are a lot of different reasons why this might make someone uncomfortable and they go way beyond "sex is gauche to talk about in public."

Some of it is, admittedly, about judging people according to their tastes; publicly announcing that you're into the stuff on display in Kingdom Death says something worse about you than just liking something with sexual content in it. (Whether that's fair or not.)

There's also a practical-level concern that sexual abuse as a theme is genuinely upsetting to people who have experienced it or had someone near them experience it, which is an order of magnitude different than just "that's kind of awkward."

Think about it by analogy if it helps: there's a difference between someone thinking you're a nerd for playing wargames, and someone thinking you're being rude for plonking down your Axis and Allies set in front of a Holocaust survivor. Except sexual abuse survivors are unfortunately common and their status is more or less invisible unless they say something about it.

Finally -- and while this is something I care about, it probably matters a lot less than the previous two points -- it's worth analyzing a piece of art, including games and the media used in them, to try and figure out what it communicates. Kingdom Death might very well use sexual violence to make a statement about how evil and insidious it is; on the other hand it might glorify it; I don't claim to know. But that's still another possible distinction between it and a game that is explicitly about how consent is important.

Father Wendigo posted:

Oh come on, we haven't even heard Plutonis talk about the World Cup. I heard something about the top ranked team tanking hard out of the gate and bombing harder afterwards. Also the U.S. is doing good? I thought we were B-C tier.

Father Wendigo posted:

Also the U.S. is doing good? I thought we were B-C tier.

Bedlamdan posted:

I'm not even talking about Kingdom Death, that was Plutonis. gently caress.

gently caress

I'm sorry I maligned the erotic cardboard game, I think at this point I'd much rather do something else to do with my day.

gently caress

Bedlamdan posted:

I'm not even talking about Kingdom Death, that was Plutonis. gently caress.

gently caress

I'm sorry I maligned the erotic cardboard game, I think at this point I'd much rather do something else to do with my day.

gently caress

Plutonis posted:

I never argued from bad faith.

Plutonis posted:

I never argued from bad faith.

Blockhouse posted:

Let's go back to Macross RPG talk

what do I roll to disguise my Valkyrie in a space suit and sneak onto a Zentraedi ship

Splicer posted:

Dude you got told. Stop trying to pretend you're noping out under your own terms.

Sion posted:

imagine arguing from a place of such bad faith that people mistake you for plutonis and feeling that maybe you should keep going

spectralent posted:

+Cool.

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Yeah, there's so much point-missing it's slightly surreal. I've always passed up doing a Robotech F&F reading because if people think my Rifts reviews are negative, you haven't seen my opinions on Robotech. Rewatching it - I just finished Macross last night - only pins home just divergent it is from the actual show. It's the game they wished the show was like. It's not quite as jarring as something like Prime Directive, but it's a similar take where it focuses on the toyetic military aspects and nothing else.

The fact that the first published adventure - Ghost Ship - is essentially a dungeon crawl (with a Zentraedi ship as the dungeon in question) says quite a bit about the game line.

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Ghost Ship even has giant rats. It's probably the only cute part, where a Zentraedi scientist is trying to upsize Earthly animals as a biological weapon. It doesn't work out, of course. But still! Giant rats! How more dungeoney can you get? Southern Cross... I don't know if I'll watch that, but I understand it was cancelled about twelve to thirteen episodes early since it bombed even in Japan, which probably explains a lot.

But yeah, Hunter / Hikaru has an amazing talent for bad and awful decisions. I realized partway through that Max is the big major hero who wins all the things and Hikaru just happens to be the protagonist.

Bedlamdan posted:

Well okay, I'm actually cool with having an argument you apparently don't want to have, beyond the chance to get the last word in. I never came here to defend or justify Kingdom Death, I'm not interested in doing so, and I don't know why the gently caress Tuxedo Catfish felt that pulling me into that conversation would somehow vindicate someone else's erotic cardgame. I don't know why you're so desperate to defend said erotic cardgame. I don't know why you guys are trying to wave it off as something that, tee hee, was only ever meant as a wacky time for couples when, no, the creator totally built it with the intent getting in on this with strangers. When I brought this up, I get a long tirade about how it's at least less problematic than Kingdom Death.

drrockso20 posted:

Speaking of F&F and Palladium Games, has anyone done one of Splicers yet, cause it's a fascinating game, at least from a setting perspective

Mr. Maltose posted:

Congrats on your excellent performance of “The Densest Man Alive.” A true master of the craft.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

There's a rather large space between "innocuous" and "Kingdom Death" to which most of what I said still applies. That post also wasn't meant as a personal attack against you, as tempting as it might have been after you opened this conversation by calling everyone virgins, surreptiously bringing up incest, and accusing people of being body pillow fuckers, and then wondering "why is everyone so defensive about my milquetoast point?"

I will strive to be clearer in the future.

fool_of_sound posted:

Zarick posted:

It seems really cool, but also mostly dead... like the thread mentions above that they might be working on the level 6-10 rules two or more years ago. And there's a bunch of old unfinished playtest material on their site.

Hell, even buying the stuff from their site is difficult.

hyphz posted:

So, hey, can I interrupt the consentacles with a bit of an e/n rant?

We have a bit of an Alpha Player in our group - he's also the host, so to some extent he deserves the position. For a while we've been playing a SotDL campaign run by someone else, but they didn't feel like GMing. So Alpha offers to run a campaign of D&D 5e. I complain a little, pointing out that he's bogarting both the currently SotDL GM and me, who offered to run something else (I previously suggested Strike at the time when the SotDL was being set up)

Of course, anyone familiar with the Dark Side of the Social Skills Force will know how Alpha reacted to that. He instantly pulled his offer to run and began to insist vehemently that everyone must play in my campaign now, because I complained.

So now the whole situation's a mess. I'm obviously not going to run anything because the atmosphere will be terrible and Alpha will be making every effort he can to break the system, but his slamming his way into a 5e game again will leave me just depressed about the whole thing. I know you might be tempted to say but that basically means no social contact at all, which is going a bit far.

gourdcaptain posted:

The most "amazing" Palladium Robotech RPG avenue is Lancer's Rockers, which is where finally by the time of MOSPAEDA KS decided to include mechanics for music... with "instrumecha" that are keytar controlled sonic cannons or such. Way to miss the point. The Kevin Long art is hilarious.

gourdcaptain posted:

All I'm going to say is that the same person in the case of Rick Hunter who's completely incapable of not cheating on a relationship and flipping his idea of who he's certainly going out with for real three times in a row abruptly (he is awful)

drrockso20 posted:

Speaking of F&F and Palladium Games, has anyone done one of Splicers yet, cause it's a fascinating game, at least from a setting perspective

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Nope! It is interesting because it's a notable divergence by A) specifically being anti-crossover, and B) having some slightly different balance / design elements. It was really Carmen Bellaire's baby- a regular Palladium writer in the 2000s who later would have the Rifts Board Game kickstarter that imploded spectacularly.

Zarick posted:

It seems really cool, but also mostly dead... like the thread mentions above that they might be working on the level 6-10 rules two or more years ago. And there's a bunch of old unfinished playtest material on their site.

Hell, even buying the stuff from their site is difficult.

Kai Tave posted:

He's the guy who attempted suicide which Sembieda jumped on as a soapbox to berate people pissed about Robotech Tactics, yeah? Or am I thinking of someone else?