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Fancy_Breakfast posted:This is generally the case for EMT's. Paramedics would not have transported if they could help it. 20 minutes CPR to no avail and they just stop and pronounce death. Although EMS in the US can be very archaic so who knows. it was a lovely situation all round
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tangy yet delightful posted:Sewer pit guy was loving dead when his body was recovered. Saying he initially survived the ordeal doesn't tell the correct story. The correct story is on scene EMS/Paramedic(s)/EMTs didn't have the protocols to allow them to pronounce death in this type of incident so had to do CPR until getting to an ER where a MD could call it. Did they have to clean out the back of that ambulance with a flamethrower?
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the article says the tank was the last one before they released the water into a river so i doubt it was filled with poo
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the article says the tank was the last one before they released the water into a river so i doubt it was filled with poo The place they released it is also the site of a yacht club so it's probably a safe bet it is reasonably clean. Nonetheless if they couldn't see the guy down there it probably isn't a place you'd want to be.
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hobbesmaster posted:Hazmat diving is pretty hardcore. The only thing crazier is nuclear diving but there’s some overlap there. I would swim in a nuclear reactor a thousand times over rather than willingly enter a hog lagoon
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shame on an IGA posted:I would swim in a nuclear reactor a thousand times over rather than willingly enter a hog lagoon Same, at least you'd possibly see some dope Cherenkov Radiation before you die. (Cherenkov Radiation looks even better in real life than in pictures, if you get a chance to see it without dying you should.)
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LostCosmonaut posted:Same, at least you'd possibly see some dope Cherenkov Radiation before you die. Swimming on the top of the core when it is filled to the fuel stack management level is actually not immediately life-threateningly dangerous if you change out of your clothes and shower immediately afterwards. And did not swallow any water. OSHA is diving down to retrieve your keys.
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LostCosmonaut posted:Same, at least you'd possibly see some dope Cherenkov Radiation before you die. What picture would you say looks closest to how it is in real life?
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chitoryu12 posted:What picture would you say looks closest to how it is in real life? Consider a real-life lightsaber, but the origin spot is not very bright in a sense that it is almost white, but not bright, and the blueish hue just keeps going and going until finally dissolving into nothing.  this is fairly close in hue to the real deal, but it does not hover as a ring around the object, but from within the material.
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I wonder what would happen if you were to fall into that. I want to see how fast radiation can mutate somebody.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:I wonder what would happen if you were to fall into that. I want to see how fast radiation can mutate somebody. Depends on how deep you go. If you stay at the top you'd probably be fine. If you sink down you die.
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Turns out that swimming in a nuclear fuel pool is not that dangerous at all because the radiation doesn't spread far in water. https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/
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Der Kyhe posted:Swimming on the top of the core when it is filled to the fuel stack management level is actually not immediately life-threateningly dangerous if you change out of your clothes and shower immediately afterwards. And did not swallow any water. https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ Apparently it's quite safe! [edit] gently caress
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Ak Gara posted:https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ Well, aside from the gunshot wounds.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Turns out that swimming in a nuclear fuel pool is not that dangerous at all because the radiation doesn't spread far in water. Yes, but only in the ideal conditions. The immediate decontamination procedures are neccessary because there might be hot particles in the water. Like I said, it is completely possible to swim across the reactor pool if you are very bad at keeping balance as an inspection engineer, while inspecting a routine maintenance. Or the stack loader does a surprise move while changing staff.
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There's no documented dose of radiation that kills you faster than several days later, so even if diving into a reactor pool was particularly dangerous you would survive just fine until your body begins to rot later
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BattleMaster posted:There's no documented dose of radiation that kills you faster than several days later, so even if diving into a reactor pool was particularly dangerous you would survive just fine until your body begins to rot later That's disappointing. I was hoping acute exposure to extreme amounts would result in somebody exploding or some poo poo.
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Warbadger posted:Well, aside from the gunshot wounds. Yes but bullets only travel a few feet in water right? so theoretically if you jumped in and maintained a constant depth of 3-4 feet you'd be safe from both.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:That's disappointing. I was hoping acute exposure to extreme amounts would result in somebody exploding or some poo poo. What you are looking for, are the nuclear weapons. Nuclear power plant does not have anything that can instantly kill you, or vaporize a body in an explosive manner. Well, at least while using the power of the atom. Go touch live mains at the transformer yard and poo poo happens, but that is just electricity. Or open a wrong service hatch from the turbine system and steam yourself into a Skinner meme, but that's still just steam. Radiation just deep-cooks your *every* part inside and outside, and it takes the before-mentioned 7 days to die to organ failure or something similar when your entire body has decided to auto-destruct every living cell in your body because of sustained cell damage. That is also why the "living ghosts" happened in the Chernobyl accident.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:That's disappointing. I was hoping acute exposure to extreme amounts would result in somebody exploding or some poo poo.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:That's disappointing. I was hoping acute exposure to extreme amounts would result in somebody exploding or some poo poo. Your body contains several types of cells that have a short life span and constantly need to be replaced. These are mostly in places like the intestines, bone marrow, skin and hair follicles. To produce more of these cells, the body has stem cells that constantly reproduce and create cells that differentiate themselves. Radiation doesn't do very much to differentiated cells, but it can damage the DNA in stem cells during certain reproductive phases. If the DNA is damaged severely enough to produce chromosomal defects, the reproduction will fail. If enough stem cells in your body are reproductively killed, you won't notice for a bit of time because you still have a bunch of undamaged differentiated cells in your body. But when those cells die of old age and are not replaced in adequate amounts, you begin to feel it in a lot of cool ways. Your hair can fall out, the villi in your intestines can flatten out, your white blood cell count goes down, etc.. Definitions of cool may vary and nothing that happens involves hulking out or spider powers, but mostly dying of infection
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Radiation injuries are absolutely horrific and you can wind up suffering for years before you die. There have been a couple of cases studies linked here that I read. One suffered almost two years, undergoing numerous amputations of their lower body after a thigh/butt exposure until finally succumbing. There was another guy exposed on his back, who had a giant hole gradually rot into his back exposing bone and muscle until he finally died. It took a whole year.
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BattleMaster posted:There's no documented dose of radiation that kills you faster than several days later, so even if diving into a reactor pool was particularly dangerous you would survive just fine until your body begins to rot later Yeah, wasnt the elephants foot in Chernobyl something ridiculous like 5 minutes of exposure would give you a dose large enough to kill you in 2 days? I know even just one minute was a fatal dose, but it took a while. Radiation is hosed.
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Speaking of radiation deaths. I'm sure some of you know if the terrible death of Hisashi Ouichi. quote:Ouchi received 17 sieverts (sv) of radiation, Shinohara received 10 sv and Yokokawa 3 sv. Ouchi experienced pain, nausea, and breathing difficulties immediately and lost consciousness in the decontamination chamber after vomiting.  https://imgur.com/a/JH4hJ The Real Amethyst fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:Speaking of radiation deaths. I'm sure some of you know if the terrible death of Hisashi Ouichi. That book is quite a brutal read.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:Speaking of radiation deaths. I'm sure some of you know if the terrible death of Hisashi Ouichi. lol "Ouchi" is a pretty appropriate name
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Holy poo poo
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There are doses of radiation that will kill you pretty much instantly -- thousands of Grays and up -- but they are levels that you're only likely to see from a nuclear bomb and they amount to just being hit with so much energy that you're barbecued alive.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:Speaking of radiation deaths. I'm sure some of you know if the terrible death of Hisashi Ouichi. gently caress Also horrible that they kept him alive for that long afterwords. That's an amazing karyotype
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:Speaking of radiation deaths. I'm sure some of you know if the terrible death of Hisashi Ouichi. He's been brought up before, but you need to point out that he died about THREE MONTHS after receiving that much radiation. And his coworker who also got a massive dose (10 sieverts) died about seven months later.
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an average of 1 chromosome aberration per cell correlates with a full-body dose of about 5 grays and is likely to be deadly ouchi's chromosomes looked like ground beef Sagebrush posted:There are doses of radiation that will kill you pretty much instantly -- thousands of Grays and up -- but they are levels that you're only likely to see from a nuclear bomb and they amount to just being hit with so much energy that you're barbecued alive. I assume that at that point it's indeterminate if it was the radiation or the heat or shockwave from the blast that killed you
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What nonbomb radioactive thing could have the same effect? I'm sure it's purely hypothetical, but I have faith in the smart people here to find that out.
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chitoryu12 posted:What picture would you say looks closest to how it is in real life? The standard picture of ATR is pretty close;  That the glow is coming from the water around the fuel, not the fuel itself, is pretty cool. I didn't get to see down into the core like that, but when I visited ATR they were in the process of refueling it, and they had some fuel that was about a day out of the reactor in the water pit. That stuff was pretty hot, so there was some good radiation coming off it. ATR also keeps around a cobalt source so they can show visitors the blue glow on demand (IIRC it was ordered by a medical company that went bankrupt while they were irradiating it, so they now have a radioactive conversation piece).
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dog nougat posted:What nonbomb radioactive thing could have the same effect? I'm sure it's purely hypothetical, but I have faith in the smart people here to find that out. A solar flare or other major stellar event. On Earth, I think you might reach those levels of radiation by standing inside the large hadron collider.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:Speaking of radiation deaths. I'm sure some of you know if the terrible death of Hisashi Ouichi. Ah, yes, that accident: 
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cowtown posted:Ah, yes, that accident: i mean, it led to several of the most horrific deaths in human history, but jesus lmao
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Stexils posted:i mean, it led to several of the most horrific deaths in human history, but jesus lmao holy wtf is that procedure
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