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1994 Toyota Celica posted:doing a proper phalanx actually takes some significant group practice I fought in the SCA for a while and can confirm that ad hoc shield walls crumble in the face of organized attack, whereas trained squads are pretty cool to watch in action
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if you told me 5 years ago that i'd be discussing the viability of street legionnaires in 2018, i would be excited for the new shadowrun edition
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Jul 1, 2018 23:10
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Al! posted:i havent seen one alt right cavalry regiment yet, shameful shameful shameful The best cavalry are all Ubian auxiliaries, can't expect them to hire just any regular jerks off the street.
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Al! posted:i havent seen one alt right cavalry regiment yet, shameful shameful shameful don't need more cars in the crowds imo
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Jul 1, 2018 23:15
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Bullfrog posted:Bear mace is actually less effective against people than regular mace. yeah, take a page out of the eurotrash soccer hooligan playbook and bring a bunch of flares  
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ancient warfare was all about the pushing and shoving close quarters. It was also about intimidating your enemy before coming to blows. we need antifascist plumage  but in all honesty Slugnoid posted:yeah, take a page out of the eurotrash soccer hooligan playbook and bring a bunch of flares would work well too, a giant red mass moving towards you
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Bullfrog posted:ancient warfare was all about the pushing and shoving close quarters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZY2mRG5mzg
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sounds like a good way to catch an arson charge to me
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Any kind of military formation takes lots of practice and trust in everyone around you to be half effective. As long as the alt right boys are organizing online, recruiting from multiple states, and filled with paranoia they'll never be able to be effective. There really isn't any need to even organize that kind of stuff in modern urban settings, too many avenues of attack and since these are just street brawls they'll end up in chaotic mass eventually. Antifa showing up at all is a kick in the balls to these guys, I'm sure those middle aged fat house wives and others who were bused in from out of state are never going to another rally again if they know someone might hurt them. The only way for something like the alt right to lose is demoralizing or scaring them, so long as Antifa shows up ready to fight every time they thin the numbers of the "free speech advocates" more and more. This is assuming the right as a whole doesn't escalate the conflict beyond Saturday fight clubs at the park sanctioned by cops, but not many are willing to go to prison for pepe for decades. I'm assuming there aren't enough fringe proud boys to push that far for my own sanity. Can I get a McFlurry?
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Al! posted:sounds like a good way to catch an arson charge to me america literally sucks
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Bullfrog posted:ancient warfare was all about the pushing and shoving close quarters. The key to defeating fascism is by bringing back Carthage
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Feldegast42 posted:The key to defeating fascism is by bringing back Carthage I'm hoping we go full mystic and embrace Orlanth. Have a bunch of dudes wandering round looking like the sea peoples, have some guys with bronze armour whipping javelins around, getting into boasting fights and then using the head of some long lost fasc ancestor to frighten them away. Also wasn't the main way of breaking the shield wall (before the advent of really heavy mounted cav) to frighten people until they broke and then cut them down? Josef bugman has issued a correction as of 23:42 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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Josef bugman posted:I'm hoping we go full mystic and embrace Orlanth. Have a bunch of dudes wandering round looking like the sea peoples, have some guys with bronze armour whipping javelins around, getting into boasting fights and then using the head of some long lost fasc ancestor to frighten them away. juat whatever you do dont piss off the ducks
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Josef bugman posted:I'm hoping we go full mystic and embrace Orlanth. Have a bunch of dudes wandering round looking like the sea peoples, have some guys with bronze armour whipping javelins around, getting into boasting fights and then using the head of some long lost fasc ancestor to frighten them away. Eurmal is the god of CSPAM
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Zeroisanumber posted:Eurmal is the god of CSPAM If you'd played the new game you would know that that place has now been usurped by Raven. Al! posted:juat whatever you do dont piss off the ducks The correct term is Durulz.
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Bullfrog posted:ancient warfare was all about the pushing and shoving close quarters.  
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Josef bugman posted:If you'd played the new game you would know that that place has now been usurped by Raven. Wait. What new game is this? Is there a KODP 2?
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Josef bugman posted:If you'd played the new game you would know that that place has now been usurped by Raven. The new game is a prequel actually, and takes place thousands of years before KoDP. You can tell because the endgame is about getting Elmal adopted as an Orlanthi god Zeroisanumber posted:Wait. What new game is this? Is there a KODP 2? Yes, it's called Six Ages, and is app store only for now.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Wait. What new game is this? Is there a KODP 2? Called Six ages, it is out now on iStore only, but it is so much loving fun. I had three kids come into fire magic early; one of them became my clan leader and once got so angry at one of my own guys that he turned bright red and almost killed him, another went into the wilderness and absorbed a death that was meant for our god and then exploded half of an enemy clans fortifications and the third married into a different clan, subsequently lost her husband, and began a one woman war against bandits that she burned to death.
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Josef bugman posted:I'm hoping we go full mystic and embrace Orlanth. Have a bunch of dudes wandering round looking like the sea peoples, have some guys with bronze armour whipping javelins around, getting into boasting fights and then using the head of some long lost fasc ancestor to frighten them away. That or flank them. Up until the kind of cavalry you're thinking of, a shield wall was more or less impervious to frontal assault, so if the wall could be held together and flanks protected, the worst that would happen is a stalemate. In practice, keeping a shield wall intact was more difficult than it would seem, since there was a highly variable degree of training and experience, and if the wall did break, there was a huge survival advantage to being one of the first to run.
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Aztec techniques are also superior for street brawls. Start with a hail of whatever projectile you have, then mid range more projectiles, then outflank the opponent, go in, and start slamming. Also big on noise, with drums and horns and poo poo, and flashy costumes and intimidation. The goal being to get the enemy to back off enough that warriors could get in there and just go to town. Also, feints and "retreats" designed to get the enemy to chase you right into a place where they get SLAMMED. A pretty typical tactic in the Americas actually, the Western Apache used it to great effect against far larger and better armed opponents. KiteAuraan has issued a correction as of 00:06 on Jul 2, 2018 |
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KiteAuraan posted:Aztec techniques are also superior for street brawls. Start with a hail of whatever projectile you have, then mid range more projectiles, then outflank the opponent, go in, and start slamming. Also big on noise, with drums and horns and poo poo, and flashy costumes and intimidation. The goal being to get the enemy to back off enough that warriors could get in there and just go to town. It's a good thought but we probably should beore concerned with getting consistent uses of the aforementioned smoke/noise/etc than emulating Geronimo. I'm also wondering how possible it would be to use coordinated attacks like that with such an anonymous org with no overarching command structure.
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KiteAuraan posted:Aztec techniques are also superior for street brawls. Start with a hail of whatever projectile you have, then mid range more projectiles, then outflank the opponent, go in, and start slamming. Also big on noise, with drums and horns and poo poo, and flashy costumes and intimidation. The goal being to get the enemy to back off enough that warriors could get in there and just go to town. This would be cool. I think the main problems that antifascist groups have in a big fight are twofold 1. lack of understanding of the reality of violence (it's messy, risky, wear a helmet, you will take hits, but overall it's the strategy which win the day) and perhaps some of the more casual demonstrators may show up but not be prepared for the idea of a big messy fight. This isn't a problem for the people who are very active, but many new people might not be ready. 2. lack of organized practice and study on a regular basis (most casual people will just be friends who bloc up independently). idk call me a larper but I think these entire two last years should be a wakeup call for greater numbers of new entrants to radical politics to incorporate more organized study of self-defense and strategy. RedneckwithGuns posted:It's a good thought but we probably should beore concerned with getting consistent uses of the aforementioned smoke/noise/etc than emulating Geronimo. I'm also wondering how possible it would be to use coordinated attacks like that with such an anonymous org with no overarching command structure. yeah, and this is a big thing too. some tactics like the ones you mentioned will simply be more accessible to people and more easy to pick up. and low enough risk.
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It's a shame your country's unions have been so hosed. A good left wing rally over here usually has a bunch of tough construction worker types built like brick shithouses in full hi-vis and ppe
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a bike chain in every antifa hand, a laceration on every nazi face
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What’s the place of regular unarmed civilians with signs? It seems like part of why the nazis failed in Charlottesville was that there were old people and clergy singing and the nazis got confused about what was happening vs the braveheart battle scene they were imagining for themselves. There’s probably a place for that Greek (?) guy who would go to fights between leftists and cops in a suit with a bicycle and just stand around looking confused while the leftists retreated because he knew the cops would give a wide berth to a square-looking bourgeois guy and wait for him to get out of the way.
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business hammocks posted:What’s the place of regular unarmed civilians with signs? It seems like part of why the nazis failed in Charlottesville was that there were old people and clergy singing and the nazis got confused about what was happening vs the braveheart battle scene they were imagining for themselves. In that case, it most likely interrupts the mental programming involved in social violence. The type of social violence most associated with these rallies is the "group monkey dance" quote:The Group Monkey Dance The fash have othered antifa and have an image in their mind, and they have another image of themselves. Seeing people that are out of place, or not what they expect very subtly interrupts both those images, which are crucial to their behavior and ability to fight
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KiteAuraan posted:Aztec techniques are also superior for street brawls. Start with a hail of whatever projectile you have, then mid range more projectiles, then outflank the opponent, go in, and start slamming. Also big on noise, with drums and horns and poo poo, and flashy costumes and intimidation. The goal being to get the enemy to back off enough that warriors could get in there and just go to town. A club covered in obsidian shards sounds nasty as hell Also was it the Aztecs that hurled beehives?
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temple posted:/pol/ is powering a small city with the amount of spin being posted. complete denial of reality. they keep posting some guy punching an antifa. Was it this one? https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/1013468096680493056
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Josef bugman posted:I'm hoping we go full mystic and embrace Orlanth. Have a bunch of dudes wandering round looking like the sea peoples, have some guys with bronze armour whipping javelins around, getting into boasting fights and then using the head of some long lost fasc ancestor to frighten them away. If you want to perform a Heroquest to Cast Out The Fascists you need to reenact the appropriate story of your ancestors. Everyone dresses up as a WW2 GI w/ plywood garand, and arrives at the protest in boats (on wheels).
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don't hate antifa because they're beautiful, twitter rando
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Bullfrog posted:This would be cool. A big chunk of the problems are associated with anarchists. A lot of my fellow anarchists fail to realize that you can have a non-hierarchical ethos, and, when needed and before hand, in situations (like a protest) where it's probably a good idea, use consensus to decide on who should briefly call the shots in that one, limited arena, based on their experience and past successes. But most other anarchists are so afraid of any form of organization beyond the individual that they don't even want to train in martial arts or at the gym together, let alone elect someone to direct a protest.
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i think that's the one. the dude with a white long sleeved shirt. he had arm guards under the shirt. he was arrested or held here https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1013247174593765376
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chitoryu12 posted:That's also why the alt-right shield lines usually crumble as soon as they face any kind of antifa that actually wants to fight hard and break them. Even if they don't break, a shield wall requires careful coordination to close gaps and protect everyone's heads from thrown weapons. A bunch of uncoordinated guys lining up with their riot shields and trying to form a line with no training together will leave huge gaps that you can thrust weapons through or even grab onto the shield and pull it away, and they won't cover their heads with anything but helmets at best in case you want to hurl bottles of piss or something more dangerous. new tactic - throw heavy stuff covered in some kinda crazy glue to stick to the shields so they're even heavier and more exhausting for them to lug around
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