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I'd bet more terrorists have had state support than not. Also, most of the big terrorist groups used to have Russian (well, Soviet) support of one form or another, back when they were killing thousands of people in Italy and the UK and Spain in the '70s and '80s.
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Given how much of Russia's current foreign policy seems to be centered on spreading discord and instability, I can sort of see why one might be tempted to draw the comparison though.
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Proper Kerni ng posted:How familiar are you with the history of [waves hand over map of the Levant and surrounding regions], because, uh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY
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Boatswain posted:By describing governments as terrorist groups you dilute the meaning of the latter term to a point of uselessness. It’s not just Russia either
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Jul 1, 2018 07:20
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StandardVC10 posted:Given how much of Russia's current foreign policy seems to be centered on spreading discord and instability, I can sort of see why one might be tempted to draw the comparison though. Not to mention the virulent ethno-nationalism, putting homosexuals into camps, annexing by force or threat of force large sections of other sovereign states behind the fog leaf of protecting foreign citizens with a shared ethnicity, sending material aid to like minded political actors in other nation states, at the behest of a charismatic leader with a strong cult of personality... I don’t know how anyone can look at the modern Russian government and not understand its extreme rightist authoritarian and at least proto-fascist.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Not to mention the virulent ethno-nationalism, putting homosexuals into camps, annexing by force or threat of force large sections of other sovereign states behind the fog leaf of protecting foreign citizens with a shared ethnicity, sending material aid to like minded political actors in other nation states, at the behest of a charismatic leader with a strong cult of personality... "No, that's anti-imperialism." 
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Mortabis posted:I'd bet more terrorists have had state support than not. Also, most of the big terrorist groups used to have Russian (well, Soviet) support of one form or another, back when they were killing thousands of people in Italy and the UK and Spain in the '70s and '80s. State-sponsored terrorism is a much more useful term then? I don't know about the ETA and Die Rote Armee Fraktion, but the Brigate Rosse was not connected to the Soviets or the PCI. Do you have sources for any ETA/RAF-Soviet connection? Comrade Gorbash posted:Not to mention the virulent ethno-nationalism, putting homosexuals into camps, annexing by force or threat of force large sections of other sovereign states behind the fog leaf of protecting foreign citizens with a shared ethnicity, sending material aid to like minded political actors in other nation states, at the behest of a charismatic leader with a strong cult of personality... I just think we should be accurate instead of hyperbolic. For instance it is Kadyrov in Chechnya who are putting homosexuals into camps. Putin is somewhat content with Kadyrov as long as he acts as a check on Chechen separatism and Islamism.
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The core thing about the Nazis is the Holocaust, which current Russia does not really seem to be moving towards. Homophobia, aggression, and leader cult is just standard authoritarianism
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EDIT: got my threads crossed. Airplenz.
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Jul 1, 2018 11:00
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Boatswain posted:State-sponsored terrorism is a much more useful term then Still terrorism.
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Vahakyla posted:
Getty Images? Photobombs.
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Memento posted:Still terrorism. Yes, but I reacted against calling a government a "terrorist group."
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Mortabis posted:I'd bet more terrorists have had state support than not. Also, most of the big terrorist groups used to have Russian (well, Soviet) support of one form or another, back when they were killing thousands of people in Italy and the UK and Spain in the '70s and '80s. Did the death squads from Operation Condor count as terrorist groups, or were they freedom fighters like the noble Mujahideen?
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aphid_licker posted:The core thing about the Nazis is the Holocaust, which current Russia does not really seem to be moving towards. Homophobia, aggression, and leader cult is just standard authoritarianism Look up "Russian World", the whole invading places to ostensibly save ethnic Russians from the local majority angle, and basically half the propaganda put out during the Crimean/Donetsk invasions featuring blonde haired, blue eyed, clean and pure Russian Slavs contrasted with the dirty, degenerate, drug using everyone else. Or what happened to the Tatars in Crimea and ethnic Georgians in the breakaway regions. They're not exterminating anyone on massive scales yet, but then neither was Hitler for a good long while. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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Jul 1, 2018 14:45
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Boatswain posted:Yes, but I reacted against calling a government a "terrorist group." What was the Taliban circa 2001?
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SimonCat posted:What was the Taliban circa 2001? Freedom fighters who liberated Afghanistan from the soviets. ...no wait that was 1989
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CarForumPoster posted:Freedom fighters who liberated Afghanistan from the soviets. The Taliban were one of a shitload of groups fighting the Soviets in 1989. They got lumped in with the others in broad sweeping categorizations, of course, but it's not like everyone supporting dudes fighting the Soviets supported the Taliban.
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Boatswain posted:For instance it is Kadyrov in Chechnya who are putting homosexuals into camps. So far Putin just contents himself with making them criminals for having the audacity to exist and letting gangs of vigilantes take care of the rest.
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Warbadger posted:The Taliban were one of a shitload of groups fighting the Soviets in 1989. They got lumped in with the others in broad sweeping categorizations, of course, but it's not like everyone supporting dudes fighting the Soviets supported the Taliban. The generally accepted year for the foundation of the Taliban is 1994.
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The big ones are part of the RWR, the little ones on top are an IFF interrogator.
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Why does IFF need its own set of antennae?
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Hauldren Collider posted:Why does IFF need its own set of antennae? It can contain a fair amount of information and needs to work outside the band of your search/track/fire control radars. The design of the antenna also determines just how carefully you can pinpoint interrogations rather than blasting out a signal to everyone or interrogating a huge piece of sky such that there’s low fidelity in determining who did or did not respond to your interrogation.
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I thought they were backne from all the roids that Viper has been taking.
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priznat posted:I thought they were backne from all the roids that Viper has been taking.  What, you don't think those gains are natural?
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From YF-16 to WhyNotF-16.
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Smiling Jack posted:The generally accepted year for the foundation of the Taliban is 1994. I assumed he meant the Pakistani backed groups that went on to form the Taliban.
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SimonCat posted:What was the Taliban circa 2001? Perhaps you are confusing the Taliban with Al-Qaeda?
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Great twitter thread on future USN submarine concepts for THE FUTURE (from back when it seemed like there might be one): https://twitter.com/saltwatersteve/status/1011252755644764171 The illustrations are amazing. It's like the early days of Seaquest DSV! I had no idea anyone even floated (displaced?) multihull designs for military use.
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Kesper North posted:Great twitter thread on future USN submarine concepts for THE FUTURE (from back when it seemed like there might be one): The Typhoon class (from the 70's) used multiple hulls, it's part of why they look so wide.
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Mr. Despair posted:The Typhoon class (from the 70's) used multiple hulls, it's part of why they look so wide. It's a very flattering look. 
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The early post war Dutch submarines also consisted of multiple (tiny) hulls.
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BadOptics posted:That F-16 has a bad case of cancer. SimonCat posted:What was the Taliban circa 2001? AlexanderCA posted:The early post war Dutch submarines also consisted of multiple (tiny) hulls.  that is completely bonkers, i love it
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I have a question for the thread. How close were the Soviets to getting the bomb after WWII? How much did the Rosenbergs' efforts assist them? Is there any consensus on these or are there as many differing opinions as there are historians who have studied it?
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Proper Kerni ng posted:
uh yeah that $28 million of wheat really helped I don't think it even got distributed before 9/11
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Memento posted:I have a question for the thread. How close were the Soviets to getting the bomb after WWII? How much did the Rosenbergs' efforts assist them? Is there any consensus on these or are there as many differing opinions as there are historians who have studied it? Theres a lot of different opinions on it even disagreements within those working on the Soviet nuclear weapon program itself. There were other spies that were more useful however. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg#Soviet_nuclear_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project#Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg You can also see the wikipedia pages being edited back and forth.
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