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Since Flick left as assistant (2014 I think?) the results have been mysteriously getting worse and worse...
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Tortilla Maker posted:My take: Mexico completely demoralized them.  The matches against Austria and Saudi Arabia before the tournament weren't any better. The team sucked before the World Cup and didn't get any better.elbkaida posted:Since Flick left as assistant (2014 I think?) the results have been mysteriously getting worse and worse...
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Jun 30, 2018 18:35
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No combo of players or manager would have made a difference. Germany is going through a time of severe malaise and experiencing a national existential crisis and their play reflects that
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Jun 30, 2018 21:18
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To be fair some of them had a good WC, it's just they got left alone by the rest. Any decent coach would have swaped Khedira out after like 10 minutes in the Mexico game. Hey Kimmich is out there in front of you, loving cover his side you dumb gently caress. Kroos is stupidly overrated, so are Özil and Draxler. Some of those other average players who somehow managed to get a spot simply aren't good enough. Really not a fan of players like Brandt and Werner. Bringing Gomez was a lol too. Maybe annex Austria, they'd have some good players you could use.
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Jun 30, 2018 21:33
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Tahirovic posted:Kroos is stupidly overrated, so are Özil and Draxler. Kroos has been a nailed-on starter for Madrid in the last four seasons and won the CL three times in a row with them. Think he might be p good at football tbh. In contrast I'm not sure there's many people who rate Draxler in the first place (except Löw, who seemed to be the future of German football in him).
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Jun 30, 2018 22:28
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Özil is good, great even. He's good at fooling opponents looking defeated all the time while actually helping make the game flow by positioning himself perfectly and creating chances. Anyone singling him out of the mess that was the World Cup in Russia has no clue about football. He's done his share against South Korea and enabled seven scoring opportunities, if the team can't convert any of these you deserve to go out lol. It's just sad he's playing for Arsenal and not a good team.
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Jun 30, 2018 22:47
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elbkaida posted:Kroos has been a nailed-on starter for Madrid in the last four seasons and won the CL three times in a row with them. Think he might be p good at football tbh. Kroos is a shadow of his 2014 self, and he's supposedly at his physical zenith this year. What I've seen these last years was Querpass-Toni, and it's all on Real Madrid.
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Jun 30, 2018 22:53
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The worst part of the Vorrundenaus is the slew of freakishly bad op-eds that follows in its wake tbh
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Jun 30, 2018 23:47
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Healbot posted:Özil is good, great even. He's good at fooling opponents looking defeated all the time while actually helping make the game flow by positioning himself perfectly and creating chances. Anyone singling him out of the mess that was the World Cup in Russia has no clue about football. You're out of your mind if you think Ozil helped this German team in any way. He's the epitome of a vanity footballer and in a struggling German midfield they couldn't afford that.
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Jul 1, 2018 01:31
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Shrapnig posted:You're out of your mind if you think Ozil helped this German team in any way. He's the epitome of a vanity footballer and in a struggling German midfield they couldn't afford that. This is the most English post I have ever read lol
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Jul 1, 2018 02:57
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oliwan posted:This is the most English post I have ever read lol Please go on about the player Germany dropped for the only game they won and who played 90 minutes in the two matches they lost.
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Jul 1, 2018 03:03
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Shrapnig posted:Please go on about the player Germany dropped for the only game they won and who played 90 minutes in the two matches they lost. Get stuck in lad!!!
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Jul 1, 2018 03:35
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I'm just going to point out Pep comes in, injects horse drugs into a team of players, they become good then pep leaves before wada catch his new regime and everything goes to poo poo
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Jul 1, 2018 04:06
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Ozil was only the 2nd worst player on the field both games he was in because Khedira was there and somehow even worse. I think the theory that the team was basically two separate halves that didn't mesh well holds some weight, ie, essentially the older half that won the world cup (and almost all played like absolute poo poo the entire time) and the young half that were basically half of the confed cup team, who looked at times nervous and shaky but generally seemed a lot more active and motivated than the 2014 boys. I don't know why anyone would say Werner is bad based on 3 games where by and large he and Reus were the only players up front running around like crazy trying to break down defenses and do something.
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Jul 1, 2018 05:07
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Werner got a simpsons mouf
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Jul 1, 2018 06:41
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Werner is not bad he just shouldn't go into a match as centre forward because he's not good at that. Werner, Müller and Reus were all drifting around at the front and I guess the hope was that one of them (or some midfielder) will be there at the right time to score but that didn't really work that often.
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Jul 1, 2018 08:38
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scourgeofthe7bees posted:Werner got a simpsons mouf Lmao
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Jul 1, 2018 09:22
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TelekineticBear! posted:Is Werner really Germany's next great striking hope? The lad looked awful, looked like a soft little beta. Isn't he the one who had to be subbed off in the champions league because he couldn't hack the pressure? Only able to score 13 goals last season against championship level opposition. Chris Wood would double his return there Werner is the Klose replacement, a quick, clever guy who can dribble and scores by being at the right place at the right time. I thought he did well, he had a couple of good chances that could have gone in with a bit of luck
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Jul 1, 2018 09:56
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A bit sad for Reus that he went out so soon in his first and possibly last world cup.
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Jul 1, 2018 10:35
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elbkaida posted:Kroos has been a nailed-on starter for Madrid in the last four seasons and won the CL three times in a row with them. Think he might be p good at football tbh. Kroos gets carried at Madrid, hth. Saying Kroos is good because he always plays is like saying Khedira was amazing because he started twice this WC. Some coaches just have their favorites and play them regardless of actual form.
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Jul 1, 2018 11:02
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Byolante posted:I'm just going to point out Pep comes in, injects horse drugs into a team of players, they become good then pep leaves before wada catch his new regime and everything goes to poo poo Ah yes, noted German national team coach Pep Guardiola
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Jul 1, 2018 12:41
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I dunno man, Kroos is a metronome at RM, maybe he's really good ??
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Jul 1, 2018 12:43
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elbkaida posted:Since Flick left as assistant (2014 I think?) the results have been mysteriously getting worse and worse... 
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Dunban posted:Ah yes, noted German national team coach Pep Guardiola He's joking but see, 6 of the starting players (plus Götze which was subbed in) on the final played under Guardiola for Bayern at the time
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Jul 1, 2018 14:27
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Tahirovic posted:Kroos gets carried at Madrid, hth. Either there's a conspracy of Ancelotti, Benitez, Zidane and Löw to play Kroos even though he's a fraud or maybe there's a simple explanation like having a holding midfielder such as Casemiro or Schweinsteiger behind Kroos allows him to play really well as seen at Madrid or in 2014.
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Jul 1, 2018 15:41
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Dunban posted:Ah yes, noted German national team coach Pep Guardiola Are you saying bayern doesn't maintain their supremacy by buying any player that looks half decent for any other German team?
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Jul 1, 2018 15:59
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Amazing
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elbkaida posted:Either there's a conspracy of Ancelotti, Benitez, Zidane and Löw to play Kroos even though he's a fraud or maybe there's a simple explanation like having a holding midfielder such as Casemiro or Schweinsteiger behind Kroos allows him to play really well as seen at Madrid or in 2014. Thats the point. Young Sami Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Xavi Alonso, and Casemiro make Kroos look good. On top of that, Kroos is usually backed by 4 of the best defenders in the world plus a world-class goalkeeper. In this tournament, he had 3 and a shell-shocked Neuer. He’s not bad, he’s just not great, and there were better options.
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Jul 1, 2018 18:44
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I'm legit sad that German is out. How do the English deal with this every 4 years?
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Jul 1, 2018 22:17
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You're forgetting the Euros, so it's really every other year.
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Enigma89 posted:I'm legit sad that German is out. How do the English deal with this every 4 years? The same way you dealt with it every year between 1990 and 2014?
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Jul 1, 2018 22:33
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Enigma89 posted:I'm legit sad that German is out. How do the English deal with this every 4 years? Ask your grandad, he even has a fetching tattoo on his chest to help explain
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Jul 1, 2018 22:49
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Enigma89 posted:I'm legit sad that German is out. How do the English deal with this every 4 years? Says the American whose team couldn't beat Trinidad and Tobago to qualify
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Jul 1, 2018 22:52
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Germany is a team of soulless automatons, villains from a children’s sports movie, who, along with their fans, feel entitled to at least a quarterfinal appearance. I didn’t expect them to finish last in their group, but I am positively giddy about it. Was also moved by the passionate performance of the South Koreans playing for little more than pride but hustling their asses off—the embodiment of the beautiful game, and something the results-oriented German team and fans care very little about. You can dissect the team and coach’s poor performances all you want (Gomez? Seriously, Gomez.), but this group was a victory for football. I will see myself out now; see you in 2 years for the Euros.
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Jul 2, 2018 04:51
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Germany '82 were really Disney villains. With how they taunted Algeria before the game, '' I will dedicate the 7th goal to my wife, the 8th will be dedicated to my dog'' Who can forget 'The Shame of Gijon' or Schumacher killing strikers?
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scourgeofthe7bees posted:Germany is a team of soulless automatons, villains from a children’s sports movie, who, along with their fans, feel entitled to at least a quarterfinal appearance. I didn’t expect them to finish last in their group, but I am positively giddy about it. Was also moved by the passionate performance of the South Koreans playing for little more than pride but hustling their asses off—the embodiment of the beautiful game, and something the results-oriented German team and fans care very little about. You can dissect the team and coach’s poor performances all you want (Gomez? Seriously, Gomez.), but this group was a victory for football. On the contrary, I found South Korean players celebrating like they won the World Cup a little offputting
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antidote posted:On the contrary, I found South Korean players celebrating like they won the World Cup a little offputting They went in with very little chance to make it out of the group, beating the reigning world champions was just about the biggest success they could hope for. Admittedly it was more a Germany failure than a SK win, but I say let them have it
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Jul 2, 2018 08:22
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elbkaida posted:Either there's a conspracy of Ancelotti, Benitez, Zidane and Löw to play Kroos even though he's a fraud or maybe there's a simple explanation like having a holding midfielder such as Casemiro or Schweinsteiger behind Kroos allows him to play really well as seen at Madrid or in 2014. Him being reliant on a better player to back him up is why I call him overrated. He's really not that good.
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antidote posted:On the contrary, I found South Korean players celebrating like they won the World Cup a little offputting "At the largest sporting event on the planet, only meaningful victories should be celebrated enthusiastically. Unless we're talking about our team. It's acceptable to throw explosives out your window when they score in a friendly." -German fans
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scourgeofthe7bees posted:"At the largest sporting event on the planet, only meaningful victories should be celebrated enthusiastically. Unless we're talking about our team. It's acceptable to throw explosives out your window when they score in a friendly." Joke's on you, we don't score in friendlies.
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