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Cancelling my gym membership and using the money to join DSA soonish. Finally getting weights for my dumb basement 
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Reminder to the new folks - monthly recurring dues is way better for the org if you can make it work. Even 5 bucks a month is a big deal, and makes budgeting and planning for the org much easier.
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Deified Data posted:Cancelling my gym membership and using the money to join DSA soonish. own the means of swole'duction
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Deified Data posted:Cancelling my gym membership and using the money to join DSA soonish. I'm pretty sure the SF chapter has a workout club, I'm sure your local could scrounge something like that up as well if you have a community center around!
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Jul 3, 2018 00:06
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"Local DSA" for me amounts to a couple defunct Twitter accounts that haven't posted since last year - mostly just interested in being a monetary supporter. I would probably have to drive to Indianapolis to have any meaningful involvement otherwise.
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Jul 3, 2018 00:18
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really looking forward to the day when democratic socialists and the less-ideological military veterans running in the democratic party team up against the centrist liberals, ushering in a peronist-style regime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-JGINJGxlE&t=151s
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Jul 3, 2018 01:20
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that day is now friend, join the north star DSA slate
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Jul 3, 2018 02:25
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Halloween Jack posted:My judgment is that most Americans who go in for far-right ideologies and conspiracy theories have come to some realization about capitalism--or at least that it's not working for them--but get diverted into this stuff because they've been meticulously educated against any kind of class consciousness. Pure spite. They just want to do better than “those people” and resent seeing anyone get help.
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Jul 3, 2018 02:36
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Deified Data posted:"Local DSA" for me amounts to a couple defunct Twitter accounts that haven't posted since last year - mostly just interested in being a monetary supporter. I would probably have to drive to Indianapolis to have any meaningful involvement otherwise. Be the change in the world you want to see! It's big and scary, but if you set up a Facebook page, a twitter handle, and a wordpress site, you might be surprised (in a good way) who comes out to join you. Even if that seems too daunting, reach out to the Indianapolis chapter. If nothing else you can at least get on the mailing list and be involved with any big actions they might have planned, and they might even be able to connect you with a few folks in your neck of the woods. Whatever you choose though, I'm sure it'll be a solid choice.
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Jul 3, 2018 08:34
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Are there any institutions that specialize in loans to worker coops? I'd rather help coops than fuel Wall Street. I figure coops might have a harder time getting loans, or favorable terms. The plan isn't to earn enough in interest such that I may comfortably retire, rather to fuel a socialist revolution.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Are there any institutions that specialize in loans to worker coops? I'd rather help coops than fuel Wall Street. I figure coops might have a harder time getting loans, or favorable terms. The plan isn't to earn enough in interest such that I may comfortably retire, rather to fuel a socialist revolution. One of Bernie's planks was to set up fed loans for coops. They have one in Vermont iirc
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Jul 3, 2018 09:41
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Are there any institutions that specialize in loans to worker coops? I'd rather help coops than fuel Wall Street. I figure coops might have a harder time getting loans, or favorable terms. The plan isn't to earn enough in interest such that I may comfortably retire, rather to fuel a socialist revolution. The most likely help would come from Credit Unions, but unsurprisingly they are prevented from giving out certain types of loans, so a good starting point to get worker co-ops started is to start demanding legislation to allow them to. If I remember correctly the Mondragon corp had to create its own bank to fund growth of co-ops.
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Jul 3, 2018 11:54
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was phone canvassing for a state pol yesterday and some old lady spent 5 minutes screaming on the phone about how the dems need to move to the left. she literally said "look at that girl in new york! she ran a democratic socialist and got elected. we need more of those!" fight me and this elderly woman, anti-electoral opinion havers
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Jul 3, 2018 12:03
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Business Gorillas posted:was phone canvassing for a state pol yesterday and some old lady spent 5 minutes screaming on the phone about how the dems need to move to the left. she literally said "look at that girl in new york! she ran a democratic socialist and got elected. we need more of those!" the most revolutionary act is to sit around and do nothing at all, and thus electoralism is bad qed, nerd
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Bmore dsa is participating in a surprise labor action today.  edit is not quote Ruzihm has issued a correction as of 19:45 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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Jul 3, 2018 16:42
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elaborate, I don't see anything on their twitter account so it doesn't exist to me
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Jul 3, 2018 17:00
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So it looks like AOC is distancing herself from DSA. I'm not entirely surprised, but it happened a lot faster than I thought it probably would.
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Colonial Air Force posted:So it looks like AOC is distancing herself from DSA. I'm not entirely surprised, but it happened a lot faster than I thought it probably would. The saddest milkshake duck
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Colonial Air Force posted:So it looks like AOC is distancing herself from DSA. I'm not entirely surprised, but it happened a lot faster than I thought it probably would. why do you think that
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Colonial Air Force posted:So it looks like AOC is distancing herself from DSA. I'm not entirely surprised, but it happened a lot faster than I thought it probably would. What's your reasoning?
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Jul 3, 2018 17:34
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She's removed DSA from her Twitter bio, and promoting Justice Dems. Also this: INSKEEP: Although there is the question of - let's just call it border security. I mean, do you favor securing the borders so that people cannot cross illegally? OCASIO-CORTEZ: Well, I think - I do think that we have to have a secure border. We need to make sure that people are, in fact, documented. But that doesn't mean that we threaten people's lives. It doesn't mean that we kill them. It doesn't mean that, you know, we have people sabotaging water supplies on our border. I don't think that we respond by actively harming and potentially putting people's lives in danger.
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Jul 3, 2018 17:38
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lol twitter bio
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Jul 3, 2018 17:40
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AOC blink if the reactionaries got you
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Jul 3, 2018 17:40
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Do we have a link of her actually doing that? Or is this more of the left refusing to take a win? Because all I've seen is whinging about her interviews not consistently solely screams of 'DSA!' and 'eat the rich!' and she's endorsed and given shout outs to leftist dems, and acknowledged her platforms won't win every seat Y'all need to recognize this is a long term project and we're gonna have small gains for a while. Otherwise you're going to wind up bitter and burned out long before anything you'd want could come to fruiton.
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I think most people are positive and supportive of her win, however it's still possible to have principled criticism even if you genuinely support an individual or group.
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Jul 3, 2018 17:45
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someone needs to primary that rightwing shitlib
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Jul 3, 2018 17:45
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oh while typing that yeah it turned out to just be the same dumb stuff the extremely online caucus was already bemoaning
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Jul 3, 2018 17:46
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also AOC’s position— that we need documentation at the border— is a good one and should be the left position. she is not saying “deport them!” she’s saying “give them all visas so they can work and not be taken advantage of!” having tons of undocumented immigration is a bad thing. the solution is not less immigration, but more documentation. we should issue a visa to anyone who asks for one with no limit
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apropos to nothing posted:I think most people are positive and supportive of her win, however it's still possible to have principled criticism even if you genuinely support an individual or group. Yeah but 'she's already BETRAYED THE CAUSE because she's not perfectly repeating what I want to hesr in every interview' is noy a principled criticism while genuinely supporting someone. We're a big tent, not a centralist org. So it's hyperbolic and dumb to say she's betrayed DSA or whatever.
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If you don't see this as her distancing herself, I don't know what else to say.DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:also AOC’s position— that we need documentation at the border— is a good one and should be the left position. she is not saying “deport them!” she’s saying “give them all visas so they can work and not be taken advantage of!” LOL borders
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Jul 3, 2018 17:54
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I will admit that it was frustrating to see cable media make takes on the DSA without asking DSA people what DSA is about And also disappointing AOC never mentioned democratic control of the economy But none of that matters because the ruling class is shook at a socdem and lmao they gonna poo their pants when real leftists get going
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Jul 3, 2018 17:57
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Her answer on NPR was loving bad, don't try to sweeten it. This doesn't mean that she's cancelled or whatever, but she needs to get her poo poo together.
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*in person who joined dsa less than a month ago voice* i'm so disappointed aoc is distancing herself from dsa
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Colonial Air Force posted:If you don't see this as her distancing herself, I don't know what else to say. lol i'm glad you have become an expert on the DSA in your < 1 week of membership
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Jul 3, 2018 17:59
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Socdems are good because they set the stage for demsocs
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Frijolero posted:Her answer on NPR was loving bad, don't try to sweeten it. Chairman Bob (Siegel)
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Colonial Air Force posted:If you don't see this as her distancing herself, I don't know what else to say. 
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so this isn't a criticism of her specifically, but more just about the nature of candidates and socialist organizations in general. somebody pointed out that on her twitter she doesnt have DSA on there. haha very funny, twitter doesnt matter, im aware. but for an elected officials official social media it actually does have some meaning. she doesnt necessarily identify as a DSA member, she does however identify as a justice dem. its ultimately a question of, is a candidate representative of and accountable to our movement/organization, or is it just one of a number of groups, movements, etc. that she identifies with? I'd say based on a lot of what I've seen the latter. that's not necessarily a problem but in terms of building long term power, organization, and legitimacy I'd say the former is preferable to the latter, even if it were to mean fewer electoral victories and at a lower level.
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Who gives a poo poo if she's pushing the right policies.
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