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SimplyUnknown1 posted:Now we need a hack of Bravely Default where Airy is replaced by the Microsoft Paper Clip. Now I'm wondering if that would be better or worse than a hack where she spends the entire game going "Hey! Crystals! Hey! Crystals!" Oh, wait... That's the vanilla game, isn't it?
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Commander Keene posted:I suppose that's one interpretation of the pattern on her wings; I think it looks more like a lower-case "e", personally. Maybe she's been sent by Microsoft to spread Internet Explorer? Or maybe she's the new Microsoft Personal Assistant... Looks like a mirrored '5' to me. And the newer one is a '4'.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:It might help if she wasn't talking and we could see what the reflection/left wing looks like We can see it in a few of the prior shots. Wait, hold on. Both of these are from the same post. That's.... weird.
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Tempest_56 posted:We can see it in a few of the prior shots. Old scenes in the first world with the party as Dark Knights.
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Omobono posted:Alternate universe instead of time travel.
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"Dim" because he's the dark knight. Stupidity can't be a defining trait when it applies to basically everyone. 
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Dr Subterfuge posted:"Dim" because he's the dark knight. Stupidity can't be a defining trait when it applies to basically everyone. It's not the party's fault they're stupid, it's the writer's for being overambitious with how freeform their plot is! And holding their cards so close to their chest that one wonders if they themselves can even see their hand.
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Alternis isn't particularly stupid. I'd say he's more blindly loyal to Braev and enamored with his fantasies of Edea to the point of excluding her thoughts on the matter if anything negative.
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Entry 85: Old Info, New Info Agnès and her chosen partner Tiz have ventured alone to meet the Sage, who promises secrets and repaired vestal garb.   What did you mean by that? Your only memory of me is when you were brought here by the previous vestal, correct, Agnès? That's right. I came with the mother vestal and Olivia when I was but a young girl... However, I have met another who looked exactly as you do now. What? It was a long time ago... More than one thousand eight hundred years, in fact. One thousand eight hundred years!? Just how old are you, Sage?We're off to a great start! Yes, the game is going to continue to largely ignore whether the party's chatted with DeRosso or not.   Nineteen hundred years...!? No cause for surprise. Lord DeRosso is five hundred years my senior. We were once mortal enemies, he and I. I was High Inquisitor of the Crystal Orthodoxy. He was an immortal who led those seeking to thwart us. So far, this all matches DeRosso's account. In our final battle, the fighting went on for over a hundred days. A true struggle to the death... With both forces decimated, the two of us met in combat, each determined to land the killing blow or die trying. At that moment, an angel appeared before us... Pirate hat, cutie eyepatch and all? Both DeRosso and I were mesmerized, and before we knew it, we cast our swords aside and went to her aid. She had lost her light, and her wings were broken and severed. We knew she was beyond saving... We were only with the angel a short time. But this moment changed both of our lives dramatically. With the last of her fading strength, she spoke to us. Of the crystals' secrets, and of their dangers. Dangers... I was a man of the cloth, and Lord DeRosso was one who opposed my religion... The truths we learned that day shook the very foundations of all we had both believed in. What did the angel tell you? The crystals have existed since well before both the Orthodoxy and the Old Faith. The vestals do not draw the favor of the crystals by right. This title was merely given by those of the faith to ones who had this gift. Now this is new. It runs counter to a part of Crystalism we had taken as fact so far: that vestals are necessary intermediaries between the crystals and humankind. Instead, it sounds like the crystals are fine without vestals? Then how...? Attitudes towards the crystals only changed among the people after the teachings of Crystalism spread. What do you mean that we should not come in contact with them? Unleashing the power of the crystals without due care can destroy the borders, opening the door to the Harrowing. There have been warnings about this since before recorded history. The angel confirmed there was truth to these warnings. What is this...Harrowing? I have spent the last eighteen hundred years trying to find out, but as yet I am still in the dark... The true nature of the Harrowing is shrouded in mystery. Is the Great Chasm that opened in Caldisla not the Harrowing? DeRosso, for whatever reason, avoided mentioning the Harrowing by name, but did mention the Great Chasm was the 'last of the omens' the angel warned about. I cannot say if the Harrowing results from the Great Chasm opening up, drawing in darkness, then spewing it forth... Or it may point to the tainting of the seas, the wind stopping, the volcanoes erupting... In the previous world, we awakened the four crystals, and calmed the fury of nature. Then we summoned the Holy Pillar to close the Great Chasm. Hrm... You may have acted in the belief that what you did would help. However-- However? The path you have taken to this point aligns perfectly with the path to the Harrowing prophesied by the angel. The path to the Harrowing... Do you plan to awaken the crystals again? If so, you would do well to heed what I have said.  That's difficult to do when your entire problem is having no idea how the actions you're taking effect the world around you, and everyone you ask just gives the most vague answers possible. We will... Thank you for hearing me out. It is a remarkable resemblance, Agnès. You, and the angel... Speaking with you has brought the memories of eighteen hundred years ago back as vividly as if they were yesterday. Sage... Ha ha ha... At this rate, I shall be compelled to clasp you to my breast, and plant a kiss upon your lips. That sounds like a better outlet.  Uhh... Why do you look upon me with such a piteous gaze? I may have lived nineteen hundred years, but I am not ready to lay down and die yet! You two youngsters should go back to your friends. Here, I have repaired your vestal garb. [img]https://lpix.org/2703269/agnes_happy.png[img][/img] Thank you, sage... Thank you very much! Of course. I wish you good health, Agnès.The sage teleports away, leaving Agnès and Tiz to head back to the surface.  Partway there, Agnès halts, deep in thought. What do you think of the sage's story, Tiz? To be honest... I'm even more confused than before. I have to agree. I get the feeling he has not told us the full story... But why would he leave us in the dark? Well the plot has to be dragged out somehow. We've got to make double-sure this game is proper JRPG length. ......(Hmm...) Either way, he sure is an old lech, huh? You are not wrong there. Anyway, let's go meet up with the others.Finally, Agnès and Tiz exit the cave.  Sorry for the wait! That old fart hasn't filled your head with strange thoughts, has he, Agnès? No need to worry, Airy. Agnès had Tiz to look after her, after all. The hints are piling up and up that what we think is right may be more complicated than it first appeared.  Heh heh. You two are quite the pair. I envy you. That's what the sage said. Did he now? I am not surprised. He and I did have a few things in common, to be sure. That's enough out of you, Ringabel.The question is, what now? For all the hints we have, there's still only one real path to take. Try again. Awaken the crystals.  Just as they're packed up and ready to move on, Edea turns back to notice:  Here? I wonder why. Zzzzzz... *mumble mumble* I don't much care for it, but with the spiritism job command... Support abilities... Magic Critical, Gloom, and M-Attack 10% up... Adrenaline might also come in handy... *mumble mumble* Brave three times... Then, Fairy's Aid followed by Black Bane three times... Brave once, then Rage followed by Minus Strike... I better practice some more. Self-Restore would definitely be a good move. *mumble mumble* The Council of Six...combined strength... Nothing to fear... Wouldn't you agree, Vic...? Ha ha ha, what a bunch of gibberish. Wake up, already, Ringabel! You'll catch cold sleeping there! Something the matter? Perhaps we ought to let him sleep. Look, Tiz, Ringabel is... He's crying. What? Zzzzzz...The further we go, the closer Ringabel seems to come to regaining his memories. Whatever happened to him, it probably wasn't pretty. What'll happen if he finally remembers?  With the vestal garb repaired, the party can get back on track.  We're already over on the eastern continent, so let's do Water next and see how Florem's holding up.   Well, have you seen this? A spirit hairpin! My coin purse is empty, but come on! Worth it!As soon as they enter the city, they pass by a couple of dolled-up women. No surprise DeRosa and his cronies are at work here.  Ringabel reaches down and grabs a flier off the ground.  Even if we hadn't already killed Victoria, she had no reason to come to Florem in this timeline. With Victoria gone, the Flower Festival proceeded as planned. Yay?  It looks like the Sacred Flower Festival is over. I wonder what Olivia is doing. Let us go and visit the Matriarch. Florem is creepy as ever, with most of the female residents, even young girls, unnaturally obsessed with their physical appearance.  Vibrant face, vibrant hair, vibrant clothes... This is my power, mwa ha ha ha!...Though at least some of the women are having fun with it.  The guy here who was leering at all the girls has been replaced by a star-struck country boy. The party overhears several residents as they stroll through town: Hey, does my hair look amazing today? I'm almost worried it might be TOO amazing. I'm way cuter than all the older girls!Eegh.  Last but not least, the happiest resident in Florem. She's still having a grand old time.  There's something depressing about having to start introductions over again for every person we meet. I am the Vestal of Wind, Agnès Oblige. Ahh! I see it now! My, but you've grown, dear. Florem is more beautiful for your visit. Well dang, you'd think we could've prevented one death this time around...  What!? You mean Olivia is... About six months ago, I am afraid. There was a great earthquake at the hidden village, and she perished protecting her Crystalists... It cannot be... Her successor was rejected by the Orthodoxy due to her illness, and there is no other.  One guess who this referring to. No wonder Victoria hated the vestals so much. And what of the Water Crystal? The shield put in place by Olivia disappeared with her demise. Now I fear that not a soul can get near it. Then we must act! Leave this to me. Of course. I pray you are able to bring the light back to the Water Crystal, Wind Vestal.To think Olivia was spared Victoria, only to be killed by falling rocks or something. The vestals just can't catch a break.  So, this kid here is Victoria's hopeful replacement. At least we won't need to worry about Victoria hunting her down. Watch out for falling rocks, kid. Some of you might be wondering whether the earthquake that killed Olivia had any correlation with the forming of the Great Chasm. The Great Chasm occurred on October 3rd and the Flower Festival is around January 31st. That puts Olivia's death around last August if we assume we just missed the Flower Festival.  Florem's weapon shop has a new item. Elves, much like dwarves and Yggdrasil, are mentioned but never seen or elaborated on.  But the embossing work is quite nice.  On the way to the Water Temple, the party meets and greets several new enemies.  These are fantastic for JP farming. They're prolific and drop 70 JP a pop, which isn't much until you account for them appearing often, and in easily roastable packs of six.  Last entry in the bird category of the bestiary.  These are the deadliest of the local mobs, as they can easily spam sleep alongside heavy damage to kill the party without a fight.  The final enemy has a nice glow at night.  It often appears alongside the hamadryad to help stunlock the party.  Finally we make it to the temple, where Airy diligently reminds us crystals exist.  And as you might guess...  Another fight.  Rusalka's gimmick is easier to manage now that the party has more damage options.  Rusalka soon regretted sticking her head outside whatever hell dimension she came from.  The way's clear for lucky crystal number seven.  Got the rhythm down this time, barely have to think about it.  Looking good, looking good... XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX... Huh?  ......!!Oops.  Forgot to stop Xing when Airy said stop. Good thing she caught our attention when she did. ... ...Nngh... ...*huff huff* ... ... ... ...*huff huff* Wh-what's gotten into you, Agnès? Why... Why did you...? Well, the crystal was this close to being destroyed! Please, Airy, you must forgive me.  ...Enough about that. At least the crystal is still intact. It really set my pulse to pounding. Seems it took its toll. Forgive me for worrying everyone like that. ...... Yes, Airy.Phew, that could have gone horribly wrong, ha ha! Luckily everything's fine. Next: Let's go punch out Red Mage DeRosa! -- Event Viewer Main Scenario: Events 1,800 Years Past The Angel's Words The Path to the Harrowing The Full Story? A Warm Welcome Airy's Relief Sub-Scenario: The Same Old Florem Olivia is Gone - A Party Chat: Ringabel's Tears D's Journal: Tiz Arrior posted:We visited the sage after the vestal garb became threadbare. He asked Agnès to take one that she trusted to meet him, then abruptly left. She chose Tiz, and together they went to see the sage. Apparently, 1,800 years ago the sage and Lord DeRosso encountered an angel, who spoke of a number of omens regarding the crystals. D's Journal: Agnès Oblige posted:Choosing Tiz to accompany her, Agnès headed to meet the sage. He spoke of an endless struggle with Lord DeRosso, and of meeting the angel that foretold the coming of doom. They returned to us bewildered and more than a little incredulous at what they had been told, such as how the angel had looked just like Agnès... D's Journal: Sage Yulyana posted:Agnès ultimately chose Tiz, and together they headed to the cave where the sage awaited them. There they were apparently told about the events that took place between the sage and Lord DeRosso 1,800 years earlier, and how an angel with a face just like Agnès's descended and shared prophecies with them. D's Journal: Olivia Oblige posted:After entering the Holy Pillar and being enveloped in light, we awoke in another world and went to see the Matriarch. She told us that the water vestal Olivia had perished protecting her followers in an earthquake that had struck the hidden village half a year earlier... 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Greyarc posted:
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Man, Yulana's a bit maddening here. There's a lot of words to be said once we've seen more. Many words.
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Greyarc posted:These are fantastic for JP farming. They're prolific and drop 70 JP a pop, which isn't much until you account for them appearing often, and in easily roastable packs of six. Has the cost of job leveling been discussed in this thread? I don't remember seeing it.
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Commander Keene posted:I'm guessing this is probably supposed to be "dear"? Fixed now, thanks. Must've been feeling a little too black humor at the time. ultrafilter posted:Has the cost of job leveling been discussed in this thread? I don't remember seeing it. I don't think so. I haven't mentioned it in the job posts since it's the same for each job. Checking a guide real quick, looks like it's 24,000 JP total to level a job from start to max (level 14). Greyarc fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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That's not very nice, Greyarc. Airy specifically told you to stop praying and you wouldn't listen. Blindly following instructions from mysterious fairy-like creatures is part of a hero's job, too, you know.
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Patter Song posted:That's not very nice, Greyarc. Airy specifically told you to stop praying and you wouldn't listen. Blindly following instructions from mysterious fairy-like creatures is part of a hero's job, too, you know. I know. To think this is the way I repay her when she's been nothing but helpful... 
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Jul 3, 2018 01:22
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Maybe the real Bravely Default was the crystals we awakened along the way.
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Greyarc posted:Next: Let's go punch out Red Mage DeRosa! I can't remember if this was answered before, but I assume we could get any asterisks we missed the first time around by fighting their holders in the second world? On a different note, is anyone else getting the vibe that Agnes isn't going to be around at the end for a happy ending with Tiz?
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DGM_2 posted:I can't remember if this was answered before, but I assume we could get any asterisks we missed the first time around by fighting their holders in the second world?
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Somebody loving tell us what's going on with out all this cryptic bullshit please. Also enjoying the lp immensely thanks.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Maybe the real Bravely Default was the crystals we awakened along the way. Not an emptyquote.
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Greyarc posted:Fixed now, thanks. Must've been feeling a little too black humor at the time. There's a pretty significant jump in JP required to rank up once you hit rank 8. Clarste posted:Looks like a mirrored '5' to me. And the newer one is a '4'.
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Ringabel is dreaming about the view from the other side of the fourth wall. I don't think anyone else has spoken of the game's stats by name. Maybe Airy has mentioned pressing buttons, but that's all that comes to mind right now.
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I kinda like the dialogue that happened at the crystal. "Oh sorry I had my 3ds muted and I was not paying attention, I kinda assumed it would auto-stop like usual"
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Omobono posted:I kinda like the dialogue that happened at the crystal. Does it normally auto-stop?
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IIRC Greyarc mentioned that in the first go around it stops automatically when Airy calls for it. E: found it, update 25 Greyarc posted:It is possible to disobey by continuing to press X, but after Airy gives us another warning, Agnès will stop on her own to prevent, dunno, her own death or something. Omobono fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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Solitair posted:THE NUMBERS It's a countdown, isn't it?
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Man, it’s a good thing Airy was there to stop Agnes before she did... whatever she was about to do to the crystal. Honestly, I think you all are being paranoid about her.
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Clarste posted:Does it normally auto-stop? She says something like "I said stop!" "Nooo, it's going to break!" And then the game automatically stops you.
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Solitair posted:Last Journal Page Din's journal is interesting to (re-)re-read now. Greyarc posted:That leaves little room to doubt his second prediction will hold true. Within the coming days, the vestal and her friends will come here. I only pray I have the strength to stop them as I was asked to... His last words make me wonder now if he knew this whole dimension-hopping cycle thing would happen, saw he was inherently linked to the party, and intentionally ditched his armor (so Edea wouldn't recognize him) and screwed up his memory somehow (so he wouldn't be too proud to join them or screw up and betray who he was). also that endboss is a scary lookin monster edit: the stuff before this is interesting too, with how Fire World played out the first time and other things. I just quoted the relevant section to the convo.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:She says something like "I said stop!" "Nooo, it's going to break!" Quicktime events are bad enough to begin with, but what's the point of one you're not even allowed to fail? Why not just have a non-interactive cutscene and get it over with?
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It's not really a quicktime event. You can sit the game down when Airy tells you to press X and the game will patiently wait until you decide to. As for why,  .
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Fine, let's just call it an "interactive cutscene" then. But I stand by my point; there's no sense in doing it this way.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:It's a countdown, isn't it? 
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DGM_2 posted:Why not just have a non-interactive cutscene and get it over with? It's a framing device... I think. At least I hope that's what it's called... Remember the very beginning? Greyarc posted:Let's start. And a bit later (still before the game actually starts): Greyarc posted:
Before the Agnès movie you can even use an AR card which bridges the gap between game and reality quite nicely. So it is suggested the entire opening movie is aimed at us, not just Airy's talk. Angès is not talking to Tiz or any NPC we haven't met yet - but to the player. I always thought mashing X for long enough that your thumb gets tired is our way of sending Agnès power so she can activate the crystals. It's a more active version of Goku asking you to raise your hands to power the Genkidama/Spirit Bomb to defeat Majin Boo.
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werbear posted:I always thought mashing X for long enough that your thumb gets tired is our way of sending Agnès power so she can activate the crystals.
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Thanks for quoting the opening movie. Long distance shot of Airy: That's yet another wing pattern. Closeup: Greyarc posted:It's a loving six  Manic_Misanthrope posted:It's a countdown, isn't it? I'll admit, if this goes where basically the whole thread believes it will go it's actually really cool foreshadowing (EDIT) that it's kinda impossible to catch the first time around outside of a screenshot LP. If it goes that way though, it also means that the actual villain was far more forthright in her exposition than Braev and Eternia in general. By the way, I think I have an explanation on what happened to the party of this dimension: Airy took Tiz and Agnés out to reduce possible complications, Edea then died to Crowe without the others' support and Alternis might or might not have survived transit but he didn't lose his memory and turn into Ringabel.
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Omobono posted:By the way, I think I have an explanation on what happened to the party of this dimension: Airy took Tiz and Agnés out to reduce possible complications, Edea then died to Crowe without the others' support and Alternis might or might not have survived transit but he didn't lose his memory and turn into Ringabel. Well, wait, so what happened to "the party of the last dimension"? Dim actually managed to stop them but not in time to stop the countdown beam?
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Glazius posted:Well, wait, so what happened to "the party of the last dimension"? Dim actually managed to stop them but not in time to stop the countdown beam? Edit: Removed. Hunt11 fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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Glazius posted:Well, wait, so what happened to "the party of the last dimension"? Dim actually managed to stop them but not in time to stop the countdown beam? We're going to have to start referencing things by the numbers on Airy's wings, because I think you're talking about number 5, but I can't actually tell.
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