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luke pointed a revolver at sleeping kylo's head, cocked it... and then changed his mind.
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Billy Dee Williams cannot come to the Sasketchewan Entertainment Expo due to a conflict with his filming schedule. This brought up the speculation that Lando is going to be in Episode 9. https://www.facebook.com/SaskExpo/photos/a.1432925206993414.1073741829.1384390905180178/2154024738216787/?type=3&theater
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Jul 4, 2018 15:31
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Legitimately never noticed that the ESB crawl refers to two distinct groups, "the rebellion" and the "freedom fighters", and also never put 2+2 together and realized that Luke is already Rogue One. Thanks SMG.
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Jul 4, 2018 15:48
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It's really dense, every image is so dense.
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Jul 4, 2018 15:54
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The actor that played Jar Jar Binks considered suicide after getting so much hate mail (including death threats for "ruining a childhood") https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44708983 Imagine being that angry about a children's movie about space wizards that you'd threaten someone's life lol
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Jul 4, 2018 16:30
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Quote-Unquote posted:The actor that played Jar Jar Binks considered suicide after getting so much hate mail (including death threats for "ruining a childhood") Fandom is a mental disorder.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:37
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K. Waste posted:Fandom is a mental disorder. It really is. There's being a fan and there's being in a fandom, I reckon. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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Jul 4, 2018 16:48
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Bongo Bill posted:I just take issue with the particular verbiage that Luke "tried" to kill him. He wanted to kill Ben, and that's the part that's a big deal. (He also regretted wanting it, and to hear him describe it he only wanted it briefly.) But the reason Ben survived that night isn't because Luke failed at murdering. To say that he failed at carrying out his intention is to misunderstand that the intention itself was the failure. The movie itself is written so that the intention, and by extension the mentality that made it possible, was the only failure. In that case, I think we're saying the same thing and just quibbling over the proper syntax. My point has also been that he sees his aborted action as the true failure. He took the step and stopped just short of carrying it to its final conclusion. In my eyes, Luke was trying to murder him. In yours, it isn't. Either way, that moment of wanting to kill Ben in his sleep and acting on it, despite stopping himself, is exactly the crux of Luke's depression and self imposed isolation. It was his personal failing that haunts Luke so much more than any repercussions from it.
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Jul 4, 2018 16:54
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Kazoo Reverb posted:Edit: what is this Sheev poo poo What's wrong with discussing a major Star Wars character in the Star Wars thread?
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Kazoo Reverb posted:Edit: what is this Sheev poo poo The name? I think it’s some poo poo EU poo poo
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Jul 4, 2018 17:10
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brawleh posted:The personal is political, in the sense that the story Luke tells himself about himself, his “authentic inner self” contrast with his actions - this is characterised in much the same way as the story he tells about the fall of the Republic and the Jedi. That this is then repeated with an over-emphasis of concern and rationalisations for Luke’s “authentic” inner journey as the truly important part that, rather than confronting the actual actions he took, is telling. Right, exactly. To use a better analogy than this ‘attempted murder’ thing, Luke is more directly analogous to Sgt. Powell from Die Hard: “I [chopped] a kid. He was 13 years old. Oh it was dark, I couldn't see him. He had a ray gun, looked real enough. You know, when you're a rookie, they can teach you everything about bein' a [Jedi] except how to live with a mistake. Anyway, I just couldn't bring myself to draw my [lightsaber] on anybody again." People are consequently debating whether Luke is a racist cop - either saying he was just ‘instinctively’ following his training or, no, he deliberately shot that kid because he’s evil. This logic can culminate in, like, going frame-by-frame to analyze gestures and microexpressions, trying to detect Luke’s hidden intentions. (Maybe Luke can display that cops are still good, by heroically saving John McClane at the the end?) The truth is that this doesn’t matter; racism is an ideology and it is systemic in the police. Sgt. Powell is racist regardless of his intentions, or even regardless of whether he even pulled the trigger. Luke’s Jedi school did in fact retain all the same failings as the previous one, so Kylo did a Chris Dorner. It wasn’t just one tiny instantaneous event that ruined things; Kylo had been increasingly critical of the Jedi for a long time. Luke simply thought he could ignore the problems - stick to the system and hope Ben conforms. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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Jul 4, 2018 17:13
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sponges posted:The name? I think it’s some poo poo EU poo poo Nah, Palpatine never received a first name in the old EU. "Sheev" comes from he new Canon.
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Ahmed best is a artist and people who gave him poo poo should be shot in the neck
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I can't even imagine being so mad that a movie was bad you bully someone to near suicide
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Jul 4, 2018 17:36
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jivjov posted:Nah, Palpatine never received a first name in the old EU. "Sheev" comes from he new Canon. I don’t recall it being said in any of the films
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Jul 4, 2018 17:38
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Luke’s Jedi school did in fact retain all the same failings as the previous one, so Kylo did a Chris Dorner. It wasn’t just one tiny instantaneous event that ruined things; Kylo had been increasingly critical of the Jedi for a long time. Luke simply thought he could ignore the problems - stick to the system and hope Ben conforms. The reunion between crazy bad Kylo and cool good Luke no doubt is what leads fans to retroactively interpret the attempted murder as merely a mistake rather than as a sign of a deeper evil. Thus you get jivjov's reprehensible idiocy about how Luke's murderous intentions are just bad thoughts that he needs to get over. Again, fans are so broken that they see nothing wrong with Luke Skywalker still being the good guy who owns hus intended murder victim.
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Jul 4, 2018 17:53
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sponges posted:I don’t recall it being said in any of the films It's not; it's from a handful of the novels.
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Jul 4, 2018 17:59
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The reunion between crazy bad Kylo and cool good Luke no doubt is what leads fans to retroactively interpret the attempted murder as merely a mistake rather than as a sign of a deeper evil. I never said Luke did nothing wrong. He just didn't actually attempt to kill Ben. He absolutely failed; that's plainly obvious. But there are more forms of failure than "attempted murder".
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Jul 4, 2018 18:00
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Solo was an attempted murder of the franchise
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jivjov posted:It's not; it's from a handful of the novels. I guess it’s irrelvant than
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right, exactly. Reginald Val Johnson is black... Edit: And that kid he shot? Inuit.
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RBA Starblade posted:I can't even imagine being so mad that a movie was bad you bully someone to near suicide Most people need to get over themselves, because whether you like them or not, they're only movies.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:11
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sponges posted:I guess it’s irrelvant than No? Why would it be irrelevant?
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RBA Starblade posted:Solo was an attempted murder of the franchise Ah, we've reached the whole "Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars" phase of the discussion, then?
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jivjov posted:I never said Luke did nothing wrong. He just didn't actually attempt to kill Ben. He absolutely failed; that's plainly obvious. But there are more forms of failure than "attempted murder". You are stupid, but you must have seem Rashomon. Skywalker is telling the truth from a certain point of view - his. He's lying and the flashback illustrates the lie. The truth is what both Skywalker and Kylo Ren agree on: the former approached the latter with a drawn weapon and intent to kill. You're idiotically insisting that it was merely a failure on Skywalker's part, but what you're avoiding is the deeper problem it reveals: the new Jedi are just the same evil idiots as the old Jedi. Rey also turns on Kylo Ren when he fails to conform, unable to see that Kylo represents the way forward. e: jivjov posted:Ah, we've reached the whole "Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars" phase of the discussion, then? They don't seem imbecilic, so they can't be a Star Wars fan. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jul 4, 2018 |
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Jul 4, 2018 18:14
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Kylo is "right" in the sense that people at least tacitly desire dictatorship, but (obviously) only when the dictator comes from "their" side.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:18
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jivjov posted:No? Why would it be irrelevant? Because the name is only in garabage novels that are essentially fan fiction.
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sponges posted:Because the name is only in garabage novels that are essentially fan fiction. They're not fanfactjon. They're 1) officially licensed works, and 2) canonical. The novels (and comics, and video game storylines, etc) are just as relevant as the films.
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jivjov posted:They're not fanfactjon. They're 1) officially licensed works, and 2) canonical. The novels (and comics, and video game storylines, etc) are just as relevant as the films. Source your quotes
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jivjov posted:They're not fanfactjon. They're 1) officially licensed works, and 2) canonical. That's prime material for fan fiction.
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No Mods No Masters posted:Source your quotes That...wasn't a quote? It's just an explanation. The way the canon works is a bit different than back in the old days. There's no tiers of canon; it either is canon or is not canon. (The only fuzzy area is video games; storylines are canon, specific game mechanics may not be)
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jivjov posted:They're not fanfactjon. They're 1) officially licensed works, and 2) canonical. The novels (and comics, and video game storylines, etc) are just as relevant as the films. “Officially Licensed” has no real meaning. I read those EU books as a kid and they’re just a mess. I can’t even begin to fathom reading them as an adult.
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It doesn't really matter if they're "canon" or not as long as you enjoy reading the stories.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:26
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Quote-Unquote posted:The actor that played Jar Jar Binks considered suicide after getting so much hate mail (including death threats for "ruining a childhood") gently caress Jar Jar Binks, though.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It doesn't really matter if they're "canon" or not as long as you enjoy reading the stories. Oh sure; I still revisit the old Legends books from time to time despite them not being canonical any longer. But in terms of what does and doesn't "count" toward the continuity, the distinction is important.
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Slutitution posted:gently caress Jar Jar Binks, though. At least take him to dinner first and maybe down an entire bottle of something alcoholic
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jivjov posted:Oh sure; I still revisit the old Legends books from time to time despite them not being canonical any longer. But in terms of what does and doesn't "count" toward the continuity, the distinction is important. It would be better if they just segregated it, so the movies are their own thing and everything else is its own thing.
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Jul 4, 2018 18:32
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jivjov posted:That...wasn't a quote? It's just an explanation. They were making fun of you because the books are trash and no one but hard cores read that stuff.
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"Canon" has never been anything but a marketing scam.
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