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Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe

89 posted:

So, in a 10 man league. Where's the drafting sweet spot?

We've got 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, etc. But we are ADDING a Flex. So, that'll make things interesting. Get the #3 spot (highest I can grab) and take David Johnson/Gurley and settle for a lesser RB (McCoy/Freeman) or WR (Devante Adams, Michael Thomas), or choose later in the draft and get 2 higher tier options (Melvin Gordon + Julio or whatever)?

For me it's always the # of players in my top tier. My top tier is those top 4 RBs and Antonio, so I'd pick 5th.

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Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

SET A COURSE FOR
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pmchem posted:

I see someone activated the 20-team goon league on ESPN. No new thread yet, though. Who's commish this year?

Ask and ye shall receive.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3862257

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Revisiting my lack of RB's in my dynasty salary cap league...

Spoeank posted:

I would personally try to see what RB Robby Anderson and/or Michael Crabtree could get you because honestly just that caliber of RB would be immensely more useful to your team

I have a team interested in both of them. Obviously, I'd like to move Crabtree over Anderson, due to Anderson's great contract.

The team in question has these RB's:

Ajayi, Jay $37
Carson, Chris $2
Clement, Corey $2
Collins, Alex $2
Fournette, Leonard $29
Hunt, Kareem $31
Johnson, David $70
Mack, Marlon $2
Powell, Bilal $14
Smith, Rod $9

I doubt there's any way I could pry Hunt or Fournette from him, but what do you guys think about Clement, Collins, or Mack?

Would trading Crabtree for a package of 2 of those 3 be a good idea?

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011
I feel like I'd probably want to keep Collins at $2. Still he's like that dude's RB5, so maybe it doesn't hurt to ask. Of those 3 he'd be the one I want.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Why not shoot high and offer a trade for all three?

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

It took me forever to whittle my roster down to what it is now. What other 2 players would you recommend dropping if he did agree to ship all 3 out for Crabtree?

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

RCarr posted:

It took me forever to whittle my roster down to what it is now. What other 2 players would you recommend dropping if he did agree to ship all 3 out for Crabtree?

Looks like you only have 20 players and 3 rookie draft picks, so doesn't that leave you with 25?

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Any of you guys read FF magazines? I'm looking for something to distract myself on the beach. I already got the Sharp Football Preview.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Looks like you only have 20 players and 3 rookie draft picks, so doesn't that leave you with 25?

I will have 22 guys after I make cuts, which will bring me to 25 after I use my 3 picks.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

RCarr posted:

I will have 22 guys after I make cuts, which will bring me to 25 after I use my 3 picks.

Weird, I only counted 20 in your last post.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Weird, I only counted 20 in your last post.

Just checked and it’s missing Treadwell and Lee, which brings me to 22. I must have quoted an older post of my team, my bad.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

RCarr posted:

Just checked and it’s missing Treadwell and Lee, which brings me to 22. I must have quoted an older post of my team, my bad.

Bad poster. No fantasy advice.

(Post the list but I am thinking Treadwell and White)

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe
It's slow in here, let's argue!

Our (me and my dad) auction values list is done. Call me out on any takes that fizzle more than sizzle, and let's fight about it

https://footballabsurdity.com/2018/07/05/2018-fantasy-football-auction-values/

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Bad poster. No fantasy advice.

(Post the list but I am thinking Treadwell and White)

1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLEX. It's a dynasty league with a 25 man roster with 3 IR slots. $250 salary cap. Player salaries increase by $1 or 10% each year (whichever is higher). Here's my roster, with this year's salary next to each.

QB
P. Rivers - 2
J. Goff - 3
A. Luck - 13
RB
M. Ingram - 11
D. Lewis - 2
R. Burkhead - 4
T. Montgomery - 10
WR
A. Brown - 51
D. Hopkins - 26
D. Thomas - 21
R. Anderson - 3
A. Jeffery - 21
M. Crabtree - 17
D. Westbrook - 2
A. Robinson - 12
K. White - 2
M. Mitchell - 2
D. Funchess - 2
L. Treadwell - 2
M. Lee - 2
TE
H. Henry - 3
E. Ebron - 2

My picks: 1st round ($20), 2nd round ($8), 3rd round ($4)

Zauper
Aug 21, 2008


Drunk Nerds posted:

It's slow in here, let's argue!

Our (me and my dad) auction values list is done. Call me out on any takes that fizzle more than sizzle, and let's fight about it

https://footballabsurdity.com/2018/07/05/2018-fantasy-football-auction-values/

what's the budget? How many players?

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
It's all question marks. I wonder if Clement is worth grabbing. Or maybe trade away a third round pick for a 2019 2nd?

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011

Drunk Nerds posted:

It's slow in here, let's argue!

Our (me and my dad) auction values list is done. Call me out on any takes that fizzle more than sizzle, and let's fight about it

https://footballabsurdity.com/2018/07/05/2018-fantasy-football-auction-values/

DJ is a steal. McKinnon will disappoint at 36. I have Lenny 4nets above CMC. Henry and Lewis being 15 seems to just be a complete punt on valuing them. I think Penny and Sony both wind up higher than they are now.

Edelman seems low. Benjamin too. I'm not sure how to value Edelman, but even missing 4 games he'll likely outscore anyone in his immediate neighborhood pricewise.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
Here's a couple interesting stats I dug up for the podcast that you are under no obligation to listen to (because I sound like a frog). These are just in note form

RASHAAD PENNY CAN SUCK AND BE AN RB1/HIGH END RB2
Seattle RBs had a touchdown problem. RBs had 994 yards, one TD rushing, 749 yards, 3 TDs through the air.

League average last year was one TD every 212.5 rec yds for RBs, 1 TD/154 yards rushing. If the Seattle RBs scored TDs at a league average rate, they would have 9.97 TDs (10 TDs). This 6 TD increase accounts for 36 extra fantasy points for the Seattle RBs.

This increased their fantasy points on the season to 271.8. Wrap up 75% of that production into one player and that is 203.85 fantasy points.

That is RB10, between Carlos Hyde (204.5) and Zeke (190.2). All of this is JUST regression, nothing to do with how Penny is better than the flotsam and jetsam they had cobbling together carries last year.


RUN AWAY FROM SHADY
2626 touches, only 32 RBs have touched the ball more than him. Father time is undefeated.

Last 5 to cross 2600 threshold
Matt Forte
Frank Gore
Adrian Peterson
Steven Jackson
LaDainian Tomlinson

Prior to crossing 2600 carries, per 16 games
296 carries, 68 tgts, 50 rec, 1728 yds, 11.1 TDs
Similar to
KAREEM HUNT 2017
MARSHAWN 2012
MATT FORTE 2008
AP 2015

After crossing 2600 carries, per 16 games
Similar to
JOIQUE BELL 2013
FRED JACKSON 2010
232 carries, 53 targets, 37 rec, 1180 yds, 7.45 TDs

Shady will be useful but will be very disappointing. I expect him to be boom and bust..................... 2018's demarco murray

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jul 6, 2018

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe

Ben Nevis posted:

DJ is a steal.

Arizona's offensive line is scary bad. Also Arizona doesn't have a reliable deep ball guy. This short field should make it easy for defenses to box in DJ

Ben Nevis posted:

I have Lenny 4nets above CMC.

Fournette's foot/ankle just does not fully heal. He takes too many hard hits, too. He'll be great for 8 games then a constant 50/50 gametime coin flip as to whether he even plays.

CMC is literally the only RB/WR in Carolina who doesn't completely blow. He'll get 80 catches as the Panthers figure out they can't move the ball without swing passes

Ben Nevis posted:

Henry and Lewis being 15 seems to just be a complete punt on valuing them.

No, no, we're supposed to be disagreeing.

Ben Nevis posted:

I think Penny and Sony both wind up higher than they are now.

Seattle will be playing from behind a ton, and their o-line is butter. Sony has fumbling issues, and fumbling issues+New England RB + crowded backfield is a recipe for disaster.

Ben Nevis posted:

Edelman seems low. Benjamin too. I'm not sure how to value Edelman, but even missing 4 games he'll likely outscore anyone in his immediate neighborhood pricewise.

Edelman is tough for me because he doesn't score TDs. His season record is 6. Plus he's been losing the edge lately and NE's WRs are duller than they have been in years, plus Brady is 41.

Kelvin Benjamin is a horrible player on the worst team in football. I want to put him at zero, but he is a WR1

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe

Zauper posted:

what's the budget? How many players?

200, 12 players. I'm going to bold that line as it is in an unfortunate position.

Zauper
Aug 21, 2008


Drunk Nerds posted:

200, 12 players. I'm going to bold that line as it is in an unfortunate position.

I still don't see the line, though this is bolded:

quote:

These settings reflect a normal 12-team, half-PPR league with 6 point passing TDs. But you can use them for, whatever. It’s like baking, just eyeball it.

I think paying over 30% -- nearly 35% -- of your budget for any player is an insane amount in any league. 12 players also feels 'small' for a 12 team league, and starter numbers matter.

Tate/Jones feel undervalued. Penny at RB28 ($9) feels low. Same with a few of the other rookies expected to lead their backfield (michel, rojo, etc).

My guess is your costs are too high across the board. Your top ~100 players by cost is ~95% of the overall budget. Assuming something like 180 total players drafted (12 teams, 15 players) that leaves under $2 per player. In larger leagues / larger starting rosters, this wouldn't be ideal. Even in a small league, it's probably not really ideal.

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011

Zauper posted:

I think paying over 30% -- nearly 35% -- of your budget for any player is an insane amount in any league. 12 players also feels 'small' for a 12 team league, and starter numbers matter.

That's pretty typical for the very top dudes though. I pulled up my 14 team auction from last year and Bell, DJ, and Brown went in the low 70s, and there were a handful more in the 60s. I went back for the last several years and even when we were a 12 teamer, it wasn't unusual to have several guys going in the 60s with one or two hitting the 70s. That's just the nature of the beast.

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004

Ben Nevis posted:

That's pretty typical for the very top dudes though. I pulled up my 14 team auction from last year and Bell, DJ, and Brown went in the low 70s, and there were a handful more in the 60s. I went back for the last several years and even when we were a 12 teamer, it wasn't unusual to have several guys going in the 60s with one or two hitting the 70s. That's just the nature of the beast.

Is your budget 200 too?

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011

Spermy Smurf posted:

Is your budget 200 too?

No, but I took price as a percentage of the total to get a value for a $200 auction.

89
Feb 24, 2006

#worldchamps

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Why not shoot high and offer a trade for all three?

What he said.

What are ya, a pussy

Zauper
Aug 21, 2008


Ben Nevis posted:

That's pretty typical for the very top dudes though. I pulled up my 14 team auction from last year and Bell, DJ, and Brown went in the low 70s, and there were a handful more in the 60s. I went back for the last several years and even when we were a 12 teamer, it wasn't unusual to have several guys going in the 60s with one or two hitting the 70s. That's just the nature of the beast.

What someone will pay and what you should pay are two different questions. Are you trying to answer the first or the second?

I just looked at 2 redraft leagues from last year; most expensive player went for 27%. One of those is a 16 team league with around 20 starters. The other was 12 with 9. I looked at 3 dynasty leagues, the most expensive player in one of them went for 35% of budget (Wentz, guy hosed himself), and in the other two the most expensive was 22%. In one of those, no player went for over 20%.

If people are spending 30%+ of budget on players, you should exploit that by winning the best of the tier 2/3 guys after everyone blows their wad instead of going stars and scrubs with 2 stars and trash in 70% of your starter slots.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
https://twitter.com/RyanMc23/status/1015355008961966080

Woohoo!

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004
I dont know how to run twitter.

What did you win?

I dont know who RyanMc is. Or what SuperFuckBowlEight is. SFB8?

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Hell yeah man congrats!

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Spermy Smurf posted:

I dont know how to run twitter.

What did you win?

I dont know who RyanMc is. Or what SuperFuckBowlEight is. SFB8?

Scott Fish Bowl is a 900-player competition run for charity. It's full of fantasy football experts.

Alfalfa
Apr 24, 2003

Superman Don't Need No Seat Belt

Drunk Nerds posted:

CMC is literally the only RB/WR in Carolina who doesn't completely blow. He'll get 80 catches as the Panthers figure out they can't move the ball without swing passes

Lol some of your takes are bad, but this is the worst.

CJ Anderson was a cap casualty and has plenty left in the tank. Funchess is a quality WR1 and DJ Moore is going to eat. CMC is going to regress due to the above and a healthy Olsen.

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe

Alfalfa posted:

Lol some of your takes are bad, but this is the worst.

CJ Anderson was a cap casualty and has plenty left in the tank. Funchess is a quality WR1 and DJ Moore is going to eat. CMC is going to regress due to the above and a healthy Olsen.

I forgot about Olsen. He’s good.

Your C.J. Anderson love really perplexes me, though. Would like to hear more about why he isn’t horrible

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

Drunk Nerds posted:

I forgot about Olsen. He’s good.

Your C.J. Anderson love really perplexes me, though. Would like to hear more about why he isn’t horrible

Jonathan Stewart leaving frees up 200 carries from last year, and Cam rushed more than he has any other year too. CJ Anderson has never averaged lesss than 4 ypc. He'll get goal line looks and early down carries over CMC. Why do you think he's horrible?

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
If CJ Anderson gets 200 carries next year it will be the second time he has been healthy or dependable in his career to get 200 carries in his five year career despite being such a big part of the Broncos game plan along the way that he was a first round fantasy pick at some point HA HA HA

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

You are my underwater, underwater friends!

Drunk Nerds posted:

It's slow in here, let's argue!

Our (me and my dad) auction values list is done. Call me out on any takes that fizzle more than sizzle, and let's fight about it

https://footballabsurdity.com/2018/07/05/2018-fantasy-football-auction-values/
CMC and McKinnon above Cook and Fournette strikes me as weird. Feel like the latter two would be better priced at the former's values and vice versa.

Duke Johnson at $20 is overvalued. Above Alex Collins and Kenyan Drake? I can't agree with that, even in PPR. On other hand, Joe Mixon at $12 is too low. Feel like he ought to be in that $18-22 range as well.

I'd also swap Rashaad Penny and Royce Freeman. $11 for Freeman feels like a bold take; I'd much rather have Penny.

I also think the Jags D is worth at least $5 this year. As someone who usually has a little money leftover after my auction drafts, I'm very tempted to just throw at the Jags D this time.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

My fantasy advice is don't draft CJ Anderson.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Drunk Nerds posted:

It's slow in here, let's argue!

Our (me and my dad) auction values list is done. Call me out on any takes that fizzle more than sizzle, and let's fight about it

https://footballabsurdity.com/2018/07/05/2018-fantasy-football-auction-values/



Looks like you put more emphasis (a lot more) on players who are easily replaceable, and offset this by devaluing the top tier players.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

RCarr posted:

My fantasy advice is don't draft CJ Anderson.

I like CJ Anderson. In the last four years he's missed 11 games, and more than half of those was in the 2016 season. So I don't really buy the injury-prone argument. He's demonstrated multiple seasons with over a thousand combined yards in an offense that suffered greatly from poor QB play, and last year was his best yet. In spite of this his ADP is in the 10th round, which really surprises me.

Players like Anderson are one of several reasons why I think this is an excellent year to go WR heavy in the early rounds.

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe
What’s funny is I actually valued C.J. Anderson as TWICE that of the site averages I found. My dad and I looked at Anderson, looked at the AAC and some recommended values, and said, "these people are all dumb, lets double that estimate." I like him, and think he could be one of those metronome rbs that round out a winning fantasy auction.

Still not paying more than 3% of my budget for him though

Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jul 8, 2018

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Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
The more I think about it the more Jimmy Graham's 5th round ADP is............... worrisome.

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