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well gently caress it. whether he was joking or not, no need to squander an opportunity to be outaged
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hawowanlawow posted:well gently caress it. whether he was joking or not, no need to squander an opportunity to be outaged 
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Jul 5, 2018 18:44
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Come on, John Cleese's shtick has always been to be rude and speak offensively. He insulted Graham Chapman in his funeral. The fact that he uses a slur for gay people is intended to be provocative in the context (of being diverse at the time). Or is being provocative forbidden nowadays
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Jul 5, 2018 18:49
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:In order to get a role, you have to have already gotten a role. That sounds pretty reasonable and also not exploitative. Unless you get a principle role on a SAG signatory film or show, the most likely way to join SAG is to be hired as a SAG extra for three days' worth of filming. quote:Every production must hire a certain amount of SAG extras for each day of filming. For example on a feature, the first 30 extras have to be SAG extras. After that they hire non-union (you) extras. Occasionally one of the SAG extras doesn't show up for work or is considerably late. If there are more than 30 extras, they need to hand out 30 SAG "vouchers." Therefore one lucky non-union extra gets to fill the empty SAG slot. In addition to a major pay increase, that voucher goes toward the three that you need to join SAG. Oh and the initiation fee is $3000 up front.
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Jul 5, 2018 18:52
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:Come on, John Cleese's shtick has always been to be rude and speak offensively. He insulted Graham Chapman in his funeral. The fact that he uses a slur for gay people is intended to be provocative in the context (of being diverse at the time). Or is being provocative forbidden nowadays Since it became lazy as gently caress comedy that indiscriminately validates lovely people's racist/misogynist/homophobic world views, yes. Get funnier or gently caress off.
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Jul 5, 2018 18:54
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Using the same insults in comedy as a racist/sexist/etc would use in a hate crime is a pretty bad look.
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:Come on, John Cleese's shtick has always been to be rude and speak offensively. He insulted Graham Chapman in his funeral. And you're offering all this in his defense. I think back on Cleese's classic roles in and beyond Monty Python, and nothing especially offensive comes to mind. I guess he saved it for funerals.
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Jul 5, 2018 18:57
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you are really missing the point of the joke his show was progressive, but he called Chapman a poof. it's a subversion of expectations
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Jul 5, 2018 18:58
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:Come on, John Cleese's shtick has always been to be rude and speak offensively. He insulted Graham Chapman in his funeral. The fact that he uses a slur for gay people is intended to be provocative in the context (of being diverse at the time). Or is being provocative forbidden nowadays It totally is. We built a special jail just for edgelords who have always been assholes but think it's dreadfully unfair that times have changed and people don't think they're funny anymore.
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Jul 5, 2018 18:59
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It's an obvious joke answer to a completely asinine question that has then been taken out of context as a serious point.
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Jul 5, 2018 19:05
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:Come on, John Cleese's shtick has always been to be rude and speak offensively. He insulted Graham Chapman in his funeral. The fact that he uses a slur for gay people is intended to be provocative in the context (of being diverse at the time). Or is being provocative forbidden nowadays I don't get why people feel like defending this sort of thing. If you're being provocative on purpose why on earth would you need defending? Isn't it exactly what they expected and wanted to happen? If he had just been a rando, olde dude would you have defended him? But I guess I have to apologize to all the lovely people who made monkey jokes at my expense because they were just joking and are just provocative people. E: I get the joke and I still think it's dumb.
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Jul 5, 2018 19:07
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Doc Hawkins posted:And you're offering all this in his defense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0
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Jul 5, 2018 19:07
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John Cleese: our show was diverse, we even had a poof! Tween who knows nothing about Cleese or Chapman: omg who is this old man who just said a bad word???
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Jul 5, 2018 19:10
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hawowanlawow posted:John Cleese: our show was diverse, we even had a poof! Lol e: content. 
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Jul 5, 2018 19:12
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There's a difference between pearl-clutching/"this offends my sensibilities" and "this reinforces negative stereotypes about an underclass and emboldens the people who want to dehumanize them and cause them harm", and it's stupid and reductive to hold them both under the umbrella of "offensive". Cleese's eulogy for Chapman, the Fawlty Towers sketch just posted, most of Monty Python - that was intended to provoke pearl-clutching. "Anything but mindless good taste". It did no damage except to social norms. But "I identify as a black lesbian in transition" does damage. If nothing else it reinforces bigots' belief that trans women are just "men pretending to be women". At its best, if he doesn't realize it's harmful, it's mindless bad taste. hawowanlawow posted:John Cleese: our show was diverse, we even had a poof! I like how you're just repeating yourself because otherwise you'd have to engage with the conversation and discover that you might be wrong.
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Jul 5, 2018 19:26
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Yeah, exactly. Post your Fawlty Towers episode tiers: Communication Problems & Basil the Rat v The Germans & Touch of Class v v v v the rest (still at least pretty good)
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Jul 5, 2018 19:28
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The Hotel Inspectors. Cribbins was amazing as the guest as awful ad Faulty, if in a different way.
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Jul 5, 2018 19:51
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Besesoth posted:I like how you're just repeating yourself because otherwise you'd have to engage with the conversation and discover that you might be wrong. trying to convince people on the internet not to be offended by Cleese's joke would be futile, I'm simply mocking them
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Jul 5, 2018 20:08
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Doc Hawkins posted:Yeah, exactly. Basil the Rat (Tied for best line in entire show: "Otherwise OK?" The Germans (Tied for best line in the entire run of the show: "Yes you did! You invaded Poland." The Kippers and the Corpse (Tied for best line in show: "If the guest isn't singing "Oh What A Beautiful Morning," I don't immediately think, "Oh there's another snuffed it in the night, another name in the Fawlty Towers Book of Remembrance.") ... and so on. Lol at the comments about Cleese and Python, in here. I especially enjoyed, "Well, maybe he should just learn to be funnier."
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whether or not the point was to 'subvert expectations', arguing for objectivity in what old british man gets to make fun of minorities in what ways is a slippery slope that doesn't really lead anywhere useful (unless you consider 'congresspeople being racist on twitter 'somewhere useful'). 'i like this person so he can say bad stuff' is not a very nuanced or defensible position if it's your goal in life to make people not feel alienated. you can probably argue (and possibly be correct) that he doesn't hold any particular disdain for black lesbian trans people (beyond the fact he thinks it would be funny to say he's one), but ultimately you're still defending an old british guy who was funny like 30 years ago when he said a bunch of inappropriate poo poo. if you want to, by all means feel free, but letting certain people who aren't minorities make fun of those oppressed groups isn't a net positive in the world and is probably actively damaging in the current social climate. A 50S RAYGUN has a new favorite as of 20:23 on Jul 5, 2018 |
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Jul 5, 2018 20:21
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Remember Stan/Loretta from Life of Brian? At best, this scene has aged very badly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
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Jul 5, 2018 20:26
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Guys, no one's defending Gilliam. Some people are defending Cleese, and without taking a side I think it's fair to say that using the word "poof" once in a joke is not quite on the same level as what Gilliam was doing.
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:whether or not the point was to 'subvert expectations', arguing for objectivity in what old british man gets to make fun of minorities in what ways is a slippery slope that doesn't really lead anywhere useful (unless you consider 'congresspeople being racist on twitter 'somewhere useful'). 'i like this person so he can say bad stuff' is not a very nuanced or defensible position if it's your goal in life to make people not feel alienated. why are you are applying what I said about Cleese's joke to Gilliam's comment? what the gently caress are you talking about with congressmen tweeting? what imaginary person are you talking to? a slippery loving slope??
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Jul 5, 2018 20:30
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well, i was speaking generally about people defending him, not necessarily here at this moment, but i can understand the confusion. rest assured i have no intention of actually engaging you about whatever bizarro opinions you hold about political correctness in comedy
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Pththya-lyi posted:Remember Stan/Loretta from Life of Brian? At best, this scene has aged very badly: Although weirdly, still more accepting of trans people than The IT Crowd.
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Popoi posted:I think he was trying to joke, but based on his live show he has also developed some old white man opinions about political correctness in comedy, so probably a little of both. I saw some video a few years ago of Cleese complaining about how you never see any English people any more if you travel through London. "Brits upset because foreigners come into their lands uninvited" is not something I would expect from Cleese. It's something I would expect him to easily turn into 15 minutes of stand up as a response to. "Oh sorry. Is the British empire inconvenienced by uninvited visitors? Won't anyone hear the plight of Brits who don't want people coming into their lands without permission!" Katt has a new favorite as of 22:08 on Jul 5, 2018 |
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Jul 5, 2018 21:55
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A response to Pruitt resigning. I'm curious as to why Windsor Castle is the background. https://twitter.com/1nfinityCurve/status/1014972760873938944
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Jul 5, 2018 21:58
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I mean, sure, if you want to redefine noun, pronoun, and adjective entirely, cis is totally a pronoun.
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nashona posted:A response to Pruitt resigning. I'm curious as to why Windsor Castle is the background. I imagine it's a response to the "giant orange baby" balloon that Mayor Sadiq Khan is allowing to fly over London during Trump's visit this month.
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Jul 5, 2018 22:07
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can confirm Oslo is a crime infested hellscape, some guy I was buying weed off of took my money and ran.
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Jul 5, 2018 22:17
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yeah and a proverb is a prefix that modifies a verb - Me, a wide-eyed third grader
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Jul 5, 2018 22:22
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look you're either pronoun or antinoun. there's no middle-ground!
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Jul 5, 2018 22:24
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gently caress nouns.
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Hellsau posted:gently caress nouns. Don't forget to pay them afterward if they're pro nouns, though.
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What are you gonna be? A noun-clown?Besesoth posted:Don't forget to pay them afterward if they're pro nouns, though. Yea but I can get the noun so much exposure...
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Jul 5, 2018 22:31
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Ularg posted:Yea but I can get the noun so much exposure... You're paying the Noun because of the exposure.
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Jul 5, 2018 22:38
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I'm cisnoun.
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Kill all cis people imo
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