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Yeah, pretty much. I guarantee that a whole bunch of the stereotypical whitest motherfuckers around are going 'well, it isn't diversity if it doesn't have white dudes too!' and submitting to it on that basis, which is my main irritation with the term beyond a semantic quibble. It's going to self-select the applicants into those it's intended for and their exact opposites and make hiring more annoying for 'em.
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Yeah, there are times where you want to hold back and avoid picking a fight with the Toxic Boy Krew, but a call for authors is absolutely not one of those times.
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Apparently Matt McF got nominated for an ennie for writing. In case you needed any more proof that the ennies are garbage.
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Kurieg posted:Apparently Matt McF got nominated for an ennie for writing. Hey, Zak did too! 6 times, in fact! Good job, Gencon, ya did it.
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Kurieg posted:Apparently Matt McF got nominated for an ennie for writing.  )
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I used to have a much higher opinion of his writing ability... Then he decided that the Talassi were a good idea.
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What is even the bar to clear to get a nomination? I can't imagine it takes all that much.
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IIRC it involved ENWorld.
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Leperflesh posted:What is even the bar to clear to get a nomination? I can't imagine it takes all that much. Isn't it literally a popularity contest?
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Isn't it literally a popularity contest? The nomination step is, yeah. There are actual 'judges' for the awards part (which is basically an excuse for high ranking ENworld members to scam free product).
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Kwyndig posted:The nomination step is, yeah. There are actual 'judges' for the awards part (which is basically an excuse for high ranking ENworld members to scam free product).
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NGDBSS posted:To expand on this, I believe that all product has to be in physical form if possible. So there was one year in which a judge backed out halfway through, but when they were asked to return hundreds of dollars worth of free stuff they basically replied "nah, you can't make me". It was real scummy and a few publishers have since told them to gently caress off. In particular I recall that Privateer Press got screwed over in that particular fashion at one point to the tune of a bunch of miniatures, some of which may have actually wound up getting flipped on eBay.
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Leperflesh posted:What is even the bar to clear to get a nomination? I can't imagine it takes all that much. The shortlists are chosen by the judges (from all the products that are submitted to them by publishers). 1. Is your game D&D or D&D-derived? If yes, you'll probably get on a shortlist. 2. Does your game have Cthulhu in it? If yes, it might get on a shortlist. 3. Is your game a runaway success that cannot be ignored? If yes, you have a chance of getting on a shortlist. Then anyone with the time and inclination can vote to pick their favourite products from the shortlists. potatocubed fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jul 5, 2018 |
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NGDBSS posted:To expand on this, I believe that all product has to be in physical form if possible. So there was one year in which a judge backed out halfway through, but when they were asked to return hundreds of dollars worth of free stuff they basically replied "nah, you can't make me". It was real scummy and a few publishers have since told them to gently caress off.
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dwarf74 posted:I was pretty sure the physical product restrictions got loosened? That may have happened after Evil Hat got screwed shipping a ton of stuff to a judge overseas, who then dropped out and kept the books.
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BetterWeirdthanDead posted:The indie comics analogy works well here. A lot of smaller creators feel fortunate to break even on table fees and gas after a two-day convention. In comics at least, isn't a fair chunk of the industry turning to stuff like Patreon as an additional revenue stream?
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potatocubed posted:The shortlists are chosen by the judges (from all the products that are submitted to them by publishers). In addition to this, last year there was a dedicated OSR judge on panel that helped lobby for OSR stuff, which was a big factor in how Blood in the Chocolate became an Ennie-winner. They probably still do. It's a system that has a pretty easy exploit that nobody really cared about before because the Ennies were just "best d20 thing" for most of their lifetime. e- Yeah, the same judge is on the 2018 list. Here's Raggi bragging about him last year:  Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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Apparently one of the Ennie judges this year got kicked out for corruption. I don’t know any details but I’m not surprised.
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Meinberg posted:Apparently one of the Ennie judges this year got kicked out for corruption. I don’t know any details but I’m not surprised. Corruption? As opposed to what lol.
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Hah eleven nods for Starfinder. Good times.
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theironjef posted:Hah eleven nods for Starfinder. Good times. Extremely good is the nomination for the Starfinder free rpg day release that wasn't even a playable product but just a few pages from their monster manual.
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kingcom posted:Extremely good is the nomination for the Starfinder free rpg day release that wasn't even a playable product but just a few pages from their monster manual.
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NGDBSS posted:To expand on this, I believe that all product has to be in physical form if possible Not any more. I thought that was the case when I submitted Breakfast Cult last year, but I was told that "publisher's choice" has been policy since at least 2014 and that you can always submit electronically if you prefer.
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PST posted:Jonny Hodgson's leaving Cubicle 7 as of September. Given his art direction and overall management on The One Ring really defined the look and feel, not to mention his involvement in getting Adventures of Middle Earth to happen, I think this is a big loss for C7, and one they'll struggle to replace. Where did you hear that Jon was leaving? I'm a patreon of his, and didn't see any notice.
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Liquid Communism posted:In comics at least, isn't a fair chunk of the industry turning to stuff like Patreon as an additional revenue stream? This is true. Patreon content covers a lot of ground from monthly phone wallpapers to unique original art, exclusive comics, and tutorials.
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kingcom posted:Extremely good is the nomination for the Starfinder free rpg day release that wasn't even a playable product but just a few pages from their monster manual. To be fair, it was a free RPG day product, so it fits the category. And it had one monster entry that wasn't in the bestiary, I suppose: the space pirate. Starfinder getting nominated for a bunch of stuff is predictable, I suppose, there just weren't that many big releases last year, were there? Still, even in the supplementary area, it feels like lines like 7th Sea, Unknown Armies, or anything from Evil Hat or Pelgrane got completely ignored. Maybe they didn't even bother submitting, Any idea if all the regressive guys winning awards has had a chilling effect on companies submitting in general? I can definitely see some companies willing to leave the Ennies behind just based on how ugly it's gotten, but I don't know if anything official's been said.
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I mean, do the Ennies have any value? Not asking as a slam on them (well, not just a slam), but pretty much the only context I ever see them referenced in places talking about RPGs its either: 1. Bullshit about the awards trying to scam free stuff, which I guess they stopped but as this thread shows is still often thought of 2. Its a d20 award....a decade after the d20 boom sputtered out. Again, may not be wholly true, but seems to be the stereotype 3. OSR grogs try to weasel in nominations, probably since most of them have been banned from nearly everywhere else they might promote their products into the "RPG mainstream" So if you're not trying to give away your product, peddle something pathfinder, or try to still get noticed in the industry despite being a shitweasel, is there any point in submitting? Does an Ennie award actually translate into more sales, and/or more sales than sticking any other random bullshit "this won an award" sticker on the front of the book?
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BetterWeirdthanDead posted:This is true. Patreon content covers a lot of ground from monthly phone wallpapers to unique original art, exclusive comics, and tutorials. Yeah. Even a few of the more well known webcomics guys are pulling in several thousand bucks a month for doing them via Patreon.
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Desiden posted:I mean, do the Ennies have any value? Not asking as a slam on them (well, not just a slam), but pretty much the only context I ever see them referenced in places talking about RPGs its either: This is the first time I've ever been nominated for an ENnie (two nominations for Best Game and Product of the Year w/#ZweihanderRPG). However, it has begun to raise my sales profile. Sales on DriveThruRPG have been sorta nuts since the announcement. James Raggi and others have said nominations and awards promote an uptick to sales. -d.fx
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I haven't put a lot of stock in the Ennies, mainly because at no point do they say _why_ games are nominated. Yeah, I know it's a popularity contest, but people act like it's the Emmies of RPGs. But without the context of _why_ these games are head and shoulders above the rest the award is meaningless. And I don't just mean in terms of Starfinger or whatever stupid retroclone got twelve nods this year. Even with game I like, I'd appreciate some discussion of the ways that this book here is one of the top five of the year.
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ZweihanderRPG posted:This is the first time I've ever been nominated for an ENnie (two nominations for Best Game and Product of the Year w/#ZweihanderRPG). However, it has begun to raise my sales profile. Sales on DriveThruRPG have been sorta nuts since the announcement. You realize this forum isn't twitter, right?
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Yeah did you actually put a hashtag in your game’s name, and if so, what the gently caress
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Desiden posted:I mean, do the Ennies have any value? Not asking as a slam on them (well, not just a slam), but pretty much the only context I ever see them referenced in places talking about RPGs its either: I'd say that the Ennies have value to creators in general, it's just that they're so corrupt and circlejerky it's really only a few people who actually do benefit independent of the procedural d20 vortex that it has become. Also, you know, they give awards to people who they really should not be signal boosting. Liquid Communism posted:Yeah. Even a few of the more well known webcomics guys are pulling in several thousand bucks a month for doing them via Patreon. Yup, Patreon is a more reliable revenue stream than advertisements and also exists as a means of interaction that has largely replaced Forums. Which is why the whole thing with the banks cutting down on "Smut" has hurt several of these creators tangentially because occasionally they post cheesecake or what have you.
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Mors Rattus posted:Yeah did you actually put a hashtag in your game’s name, and if so, what the gently caress Wasn't he banned from RPGnet because he wouldn't stop with the incessant marketing?
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No, no, no, we are civilized savages and therefore it behooves us to make the offer. So okay, rando, tell us why Hashtag Zweihander Are Pee Gee is good and worthwhile and unique, and why it being in the running for an Ennie isn't a badge of horrible shame, using specific references to setting and mechanics. Or is it just a clone of a game I already own?
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You registered an account just today to shill your product because we were talking negatively about an award you were nominated for? How exactly did you see this going?
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Jul 6, 2018 18:47
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He did answer the person's question at least, presumably honestly
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dwarf74 posted:This is a guy so devoted to shilling their retroclone that they reflexively add hashtags to its name, and furthermore take it as their username. And a bunch of other places. He's so annoying.
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