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Haystack posted:I have to admit, the approach of "I'm back, I'm not going to discuss the personal poo poo that pulled me away, I'm sending the text to layout, and also I've added in a neat new feature" has worked better on me than it maybe possibly should. Yeah, compared to how most Kickstarters with unexplained bouts of radio silence go, this one wound up way better than expected. I can't really be all that upset.
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Same. Came back with progress rather than excuses, albeit after a long time.
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Man, it's been a couple months and the final release isn't 'til August, but I'm still bummed about SIGMATA. Advertising a game as 'A tabletop role-playing game about ethical insurgency against a fascist regime, taking place in a dystopian vision of 1980s America.' then a month after close of the campaign going 'and by resistance, we mean the far-right fringe!' is pretty loving terrible, and I wish misfortune upon Chad Walker in every way possible. For those who didn't catch the drama : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2089483951/sigmata-this-signal-kills-fascists/posts/2092902 quote:Comrades, So your protagonists are inherently, and mechanically required to balance the interests of a coalition made of libertarian militiamen, end-times cultists, randian industrial technocrats, and tankies. Talk about a fucknuckle of a writing decision. For fun, here's some of their promotional art : 
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Jul 6, 2018 08:12
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You know I could kinda see using militia types and fringe religious weirdos, because well sometimes they have major disagreements over the type of police state that should be run, or their religion is different enough than the ruling party's that they can still be useful in toppling it. But capitalists being against it? What earth does the dude running this live on? Capitalists 100% of the time support fascism. Every single fascist state ever has had unanimous support from its native business sector.
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Terrible Opinions posted:You know I could kinda see using militia types and fringe religious weirdos, because well sometimes they have major disagreements over the type of police state that should be run, or their religion is different enough than the ruling party's that they can still be useful in toppling it. But capitalists being against it? What earth does the dude running this live on? Capitalists 100% of the time support fascism. Every single fascist state ever has had unanimous support from its native business sector. Anybody in 2018 who thinks that the militia movement or hardcore religious fundies of America would join the fight against fascism is a pretty big moron, though. Just an ever-expanding galaxy brain full of cluelessness.
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Liquid Communism posted:Talk about a fucknuckle of a writing decision. For fun, here's some of their promotional art : God, it'd be so much better if these were the four branches of the resistance.
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Flavivirus posted:God, it'd be so much better if these were the four branches of the resistance. Yup. Terrible Opinions posted:You know I could kinda see using militia types and fringe religious weirdos, because well sometimes they have major disagreements over the type of police state that should be run, or their religion is different enough than the ruling party's that they can still be useful in toppling it. But capitalists being against it? What earth does the dude running this live on? Capitalists 100% of the time support fascism. Every single fascist state ever has had unanimous support from its native business sector. Also yup. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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Jul 6, 2018 09:11
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Flavivirus posted:God, it'd be so much better if these were the four branches of the resistance.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Every single fascist state ever has had unanimous support from its native business sector. I feel there is an obvious counter-example.
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You're right I should have said "near unanimous" but that had the direct support of Krupp and similar large companies that actually controlled the county's private industry.
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Flavivirus posted:God, it'd be so much better if these were the four branches of the resistance. Liberals would 100% never be in any kind of resistance to fascism though. Need to replace that one with something else.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Liberals would 100% never be in any kind of resistance to fascism though. Are you thinking of Libertarians?
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Are you thinking of Libertarians? lol
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Lemon-Lime posted:Liberals would 100% never be in any kind of resistance to fascism though. Of course, that could never happen. Liberals are, of course, always like modern American liberals, and never would take up an anfa position. Lupercalcalcal fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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Liquid Communism posted:Man, it's been a couple months and the final release isn't 'til August, but I'm still bummed about SIGMATA. Advertising a game as 'A tabletop role-playing game about ethical insurgency against a fascist regime, taking place in a dystopian vision of 1980s America.' then a month after close of the campaign going 'and by resistance, we mean the far-right fringe!' is pretty loving terrible, and I wish misfortune upon Chad Walker in every way possible. Don't worry, I'm in the same boat. Optimistically backed it, read this thread, forgot to cancel my pledge. Really loving annoyed, as that money could have been put to better use, like being lit on fire.
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glitchkrieg posted:Don't worry, I'm in the same boat. Optimistically backed it, read this thread, forgot to cancel my pledge. Really loving annoyed, as that money could have been put to better use, like being lit on fire. Yeah. I'm planning to give it a read once it shows up, then I may just set the book on fire for Youtube's amusement.
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I was considering backing it until someone messaged him on Kickstarter and he came back saying that armed resistance is only a thing the right wing does, and that he had to carefully study examples of each group even though he may have disagreed with them but still realized they could be "heroic". Did he post any more examples of playtest summaries? The melodramatic "Choose-How-Many-Refugee-Immigrants-You-Murder" one posted here was great
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Flavivirus posted:God, it'd be so much better if these were the four branches of the resistance. I'd play a Wolfenstein: The New Colossus roleplaying game. Black Panther hackers, Polish-American Jewish commandos, overweight bisexual ex-Nazi radio-ops, wheelchair-bound German resistance fighters, pregnant Polish serial killers, American communist snipers...
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Nuns with Guns posted:I was considering backing it until someone messaged him on Kickstarter and he came back saying that armed resistance is only a thing the right wing does, and that he had to carefully study examples of each group even though he may have disagreed with them but still realized they could be "heroic". Not that I've seen. After how hard the faction mechanics were panned, they clammed up pretty hard on the KS notes. Only one other systems/setting piece since February. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2089483951/sigmata-this-signal-kills-fascists/posts/2155687 However that has a number of faction mission suggestions, which are focused on that sub-faction's goals. Sadly I can't blow it up enough to read them without artifacting to uselessness. Walker did an interview here where he talks more about the issue, but frankly he comes off as a shithead to me. He's trying to make a point about how he thinks things should work in the 'real world' with his setting, but appears to have seriously missed the loving mark and wandered into 'not all men' territory. He's trying very hard to be high concept, and it might make for good writing in the sense of a novel, but for a genre that is inherently escapist power fantasy I think he's overselling a bad design choice. quote:The exploring Ive done of political ideologies and groups has been to mine them for ways to either subvert them, recruit them, or counter-recruit them within the context of the game, where the Resistance consists of disparate factions. I can give some examples of people who I basically hate, ideologically (or who do far more harm than good), but whose interests and motives periodically overlap with that which I love and wish there were more of.
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"I built a world where I embraced right-wingers' freedom fantasies as valid" is such a bizarre thing to build a game around.
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I never been able to take the game seriously because the Old Men faction. It just automatically makes me think of Deus Ex: The Recut
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I mean seriously this dude coulda saved himself a lot of trouble by reading The Reactionary Mind, but it would have detonated his premise.
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don't forget that this guy's mentors were an anarchist smuggler dedicated to helping refugees and a bog standard american libertarian
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Liquid Communism posted:Not that I've seen. After how hard the faction mechanics were panned, they clammed up pretty hard on the KS notes. Only one other systems/setting piece since February. "We should totally listen to what oppressors, hate groups, and violent reactionaries have to say. Not because I think they're right. I totally hate them. Totally. But isn't it fascinating to think about how they exist in such deep layers of self-delusion to keep believing they're right? So fascinating. Sometimes they even do decent stuff like some evangelicals I read about and won't name who hide illegal immigrants? Or that time the one of the dozens of embarrassing, hate-filled things Trump does daily forced business people to make an empty gesture to prove they're not Nazis? So moving. So fascinating." 
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:"I built a world where I embraced right-wingers' freedom fantasies as valid" is such a bizarre thing to build a game around. I don't know anything about this actual project - but when you say it like that, it actually sounds pretty entertaining. I'm thinking like sort of "Ron Swanson World", where our knowledge of fishing and leather working keeps us free from Euro tyranny. Could play it with my dad.
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Twilight: 2000 already took right wing fantasies to their logical end, though.
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Nuns with Guns posted:"We should totally listen to what oppressors, hate groups, and violent reactionaries have to say. Not because I think they're right. I totally hate them. Totally. But isn't it fascinating to think about how they exist in such deep layers of self-delusion to keep believing they're right? So fascinating. Sometimes they even do decent stuff like some evangelicals I read about and won't name who hide illegal immigrants? Or that time the one of the dozens of embarrassing, hate-filled things Trump does daily forced business people to make an empty gesture to prove they're not Nazis? So moving. So fascinating." Dude comes off as incredibly libertarian technocrat d-bag, but given he works in cryptography, that is pretty explainable.
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I was just thinking about Sigmata the other day and I'm glad it's still ridiculous. Oh well, at least we have Spire, an actually good game about revolution.
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I have to say I disagree with the entire premise. Sitting in a basement pretending to defeat fascism while allowing fascism to flourish in reality is pathetic. If you want to fight fascists, do it for real, for fucks sake. If you can get together a small group of anti-fascist friends for regular meetings, you could be organizing politically and helping socialists get nominations. Like, 5 people having weekly meetings is more than most local candidates have going on between elections. If you want to fight orcs or vampires or aliens, reality doesn't give you many opportunities, so RPGs are a good choice.
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Because Guitar Hero takes like .1% of the effort for around 30% of the feeling.
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Lynx Winters posted:why would you play guitar hero when you could learn to play a real guitar With the passing of a few hours, I have to say that I feel less strongly than I did when I first posted, so I'm not sure how far I'm willing to defend my position. I mean, I certainly feel like I could and should be doing more than I am. It's just that pretending to fight fascism would make me feel even worse about not helping out more. It'd feel like being a parent so addicted to The Sims that you neglect your real children - it would make me feel pathetic. Learning guitar and playing guitar hero are both things you do just for fun and which you find more fun is a matter of taste. Fighting fascism isn't just for fun.
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Jimbozig posted:With the passing of a few hours, I have to say that I feel less strongly than I did when I first posted, so I'm not sure how far I'm willing to defend my position. I mean, I certainly feel like I could and should be doing more than I am. It's just that pretending to fight fascism would make me feel even worse about not helping out more. It'd feel like being a parent so addicted to The Sims that you neglect your real children - it would make me feel pathetic. I think it's reasonable to say that there's room for real-world activism as well as a game where you play valiant cyborg revolutionaries rising up against a fascist dictatorship and that the actual problem with Sigmata is that its approach to the subject matter is so tone deaf as to render the entire thing unpalatable. Even in a game that isn't explicitly about fighting fascism, nobody I know wants to play a game where you pal around with the militia movement, religious fundies, tankies, or the 1%.
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Kai Tave posted:I think it's reasonable to say that there's room for real-world activism as well as a game where you play valiant cyborg revolutionaries rising up against a fascist dictatorship and that the actual problem with Sigmata is that its approach to the subject matter is so tone deaf as to render the entire thing unpalatable. Even in a game that isn't explicitly about fighting fascism, nobody I know wants to play a game where you pal around with the militia movement, religious fundies, tankies, or the 1%. Yeah, I totally agree with that. My earlier statements notwithstanding, I wouldn't even think someone else was pathetic just for playing it, because who am I to judge? Maybe they go out and fight fascism daily. My province just elected a fat despicable fascist goblin and other than voting against him, I mostly just sat by and watched with disgust. I don't feel like I have any right to be judgemental about other people. But if I played that game, I would definitely think myself pathetic. I let the fuckers take over my province and now I'm going to make-believe a scenario where I actually did poo poo?
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1462222491/metropolis-a-board-game-for-2-4-players?ref=category&ref=discovery "If Monopoly, Exploding Kittens, and Uno had a baby, this is what it would look like!" I'm not entirely certain that was meant as a positive review.
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El Fideo posted:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1462222491/metropolis-a-board-game-for-2-4-players?ref=category&ref=discovery That just makes me picture the board game equivalent of those failed Ripley clones
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 Hey folks - I'm planning on launching a kickstarter this week for a lightweight storytelling game called Harder They Fall. It's all about the final confrontation between titanic foes, inspired by Dread, MF0: Firebrands and Into the Breach. You can see a preview of the campaign here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1549920133/158912863?ref=532920&token=f83a8202. Any feedback is appreciated! The idea is that as you fight you're placing down dominoes on a battle map in ever-growing chains, asking your opponents questions about how the battle's unfolding as you do. When you have enough down, you topple your chain (and maybe your allies' and enemies' too) in a world-shaking attack that strips away your target's strengths, plants doubts in their heart or causing them to forsake their oaths. As you play through the battle, you develop your understanding of who your character is, what sacrifices they're willing to make to win, and what effect they have on the land around them.  Pictured: A playtest battle in Tabletop Simulator between Lucifer, king of hell, and Definitely Not the Doom Marine. It did not go well for Lucifer. The kickstarter's pretty lightweight - I have a £300 goal, and £5 gets you the PDF. If you pledge higher you get a hardcopy of the game, a set of dominoes to play it with, and rules reference cards. It's a very physical game, but I also have an official Tabletop Simulator module and a domino-less rules variant in the book. It's part of an initiative Kickstarter is doing called Quickstarters - essentially small, off-the-cuff campaigns that move away from the more monolithic, buckets-of-stretch goals standard mould. As I've recently lost my main source of income, I have quite a lot of interest in seeing whether smaller, more regular sources of funding are doable 
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