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Where is elysium in this hammer meta discussion
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Jul 6, 2018 18:12
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That’s why you have grubby’s silver tier list http://www.robogrub.com/silvertierlist
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Jul 6, 2018 18:12
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Star posted:That’s why you have grubby’s silver tier list http://www.robogrub.com/silvertierlist I love Abathur's respective placements in those lists. Also how Cho'Gall is bottom of the barrel either way.
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Jul 6, 2018 18:28
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Honestly Silver, and to a lesser extend Gold play isn't much about the characters. The team with better mechanics and macro wins. I'd almost always much rather a teammate play someone they've mastered than a meta pick they have at 5.
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Jul 6, 2018 18:32
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Also how Cho'Gall is bottom of the barrel either way. Chogall needs specific teams drafted around him which silver players are not great at and he's also very easy to counter draft. Cho also needs to be really on his game or his team is going to easily lose the game for his team by having lovely macro or feeding 2 kills at a time to the enemy.
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Jul 6, 2018 18:32
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Roblo posted:Gotcha, thanks for that. Makes sense, i like playing Lili: that blind, lovely. I've been gradually getting better with my positioning (except on Alterac). As a rule of thumb, wherever you are, constantly ask yourself 'can the red team jump on me without going through my front line?' If the answer is yes, move. Alterac has so many different routes to places especially after a couple forts go down that I'm having a much harder time around the objectives.
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Jul 6, 2018 18:35
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: helps me out when im hopelessly out of position (which is tending to happen less, at least).
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Roblo posted:Gotcha, thanks for that. Makes sense, i like playing Lili: that blind, lovely. Basically never use conc mine offensively, always take the boop yourself further talent and enjoy being able to reposition yourself a screen away almost instantly
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Jul 6, 2018 19:19
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Roblo posted:Has anyone got a guide for someone who wants to make the jump from quick matches into ranked games? I know vaguely what I'm doing in a game, but am a bit nervous about the whole drafting thing. I'd rather not go in and get yelled at for 10 placement games. Good advice so far for you. I'd add a couple things: /join SAGoons and ask for TL. I'll be playing all weekend misterhill#1882 and idgaf if we lose a couple games while you adjust. 5-stack TL means you A) guarantee voice chat, which is hella useful for drafting at the very least, and B) your allies can pick heroes in any order. UD and HL are nice, but you are stuck in your draft position. This is bad if you say want to Li Li, who should be picked dead last*. 4/5 of the time, in UD or HL, you won't have that option. * Li Li is A) anti-AA, and B) sustain-only. If your opponent knows you're going Li Li, they can draft burst mage and avoid AAs. The HotS whining thread had some good advice that I follow: Bum the Sad posted:You can sort by League too to leave out the scrubs like ourselves. Like I'll click the drop down that says "All Leagues" by default and click Diamond and Master, then I'll click the time drop down that says "Last 7 days" by default, and click the last 4 weeks. That seems to give you a bunch of data to work with. Then I scroll down to the bottom to look at "Popular Talent Builds" and sort by games played usually and pick from the top few. I decided to illustrate it because I'm bored at work. I disagree with automatic Diamond & Master sorting, unless you're at least high plat. Your team should impact how you play and build, and Master teams are very different from Gold teams.  
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Jul 6, 2018 19:28
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Of my time spent in Gold: At least 90% of my climb out was just beating the poo poo out of buildings until we won because map awareness is such a rare commodity. Gazlowe, Nazeebo, Zagara, and Azmodan were perfect for this - most of the time everyone else was so busy loving around that they didn't realize that I was tunneling through their defenses and popping keeps at the ten-minute mark.
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Jul 6, 2018 19:31
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Gold is still all about soak and level advantage, so yeah literally everyone you named is brainlessly good at consistent waveclear and lane presence and tend not to be punished for leveraging those advantages in that tier
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Jul 6, 2018 19:43
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Midnightghoul posted:She is countered by CC but her cooldowns are a lot shorter than most other CC cooldowns I think I'm relying too much are charging up stuff. Then just getting stunned/silenced/combo'd down. I'll try just proccing early and whacking poo poo for more healz.
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Jul 6, 2018 19:47
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Probius abuses the hell out of low elo games because you can push waves super fast with a warp rift build and never run out of mana. Just clear, rotate, clear, rotate, and most low elo people won't even notice. With his new level 20, his echo pulse build may be dece for those late game teamfights too.
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Jul 6, 2018 19:48
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Erdricks posted:Probius abuses the hell out of low elo games because you can push waves super fast with a warp rift build and never run out of mana. Just clear, rotate, clear, rotate, and most low elo people won't even notice. Maybe if you're smurfing or a Probius one trick. Every Probius I've ever played with has sucked and fed all game.
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Jul 6, 2018 19:56
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Me and a friend had a really hilarious Team League moment where first game, she goes Probius, and I'm wondering what she's doing. She ends up dominating the entire game, and we requeue. Both of us realize that we have the same teammates and enemies from the previous game, and their first ban? Probius.
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Jul 6, 2018 20:00
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fool_of_sound posted:Maybe if you're smurfing or a Probius one trick. Every Probius I've ever played with has sucked and fed all game. Red Team Probius is slippery as all hell. His worker rush is perfectly timed so as to not get disabled by an errant minion shot or dot. He's at every objective set up ten seconds before it spawns. His rifts are perfectly placed to create choke points. Blue Team Probius says "need mor vespene gas lol" and spends five minutes trying to capture a siege camp.
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Jul 6, 2018 20:05
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appropriatemetaphor posted:So quickmatch puts Yrel against actual tanks. Who all stomp her because she's awful. Yrel is overpowered now that she actually deals enough damage to kill people on top of being completely unkillable.
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Jul 6, 2018 20:10
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I can out-lane pretty much anyone as Blaze these days except for Yrel. She's such a loving pain in the rear end because her jump hurts so goddamn bad and there's no escaping her once she's on you. Your only option is to pull back the instant she's on you so you can actually clear lanes without having to fear being ganked because you're low health.
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Jul 6, 2018 20:18
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The Lost Vikings in HGC 
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Jul 6, 2018 21:07
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fool_of_sound posted:The Lost Vikings in HGC Eh pretty common for HasuObs but I've never seen Dignitas play it, nonetheless on Volskya. Now that Raynor finally got reworked, I feel like Vikings are the most in need of a rework now. Having basic abilities being talent choices is incredibly stupid
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Jul 6, 2018 21:22
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How do the Vikings work in the mech? Do you get the pilot/gunner skills when you swap between the two of them?
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Jul 6, 2018 21:27
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Junkrat is my boi and the quintessential Junkrat experience is being #3 on your team in hero damage all game and then the game ends and it turns out you did more hero damage than the entire enemy team combined cannonball + endless nades means you sit at the edge of a teamfight and vomit an insane amount of damage into them that they don’t notice until it’s too late
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Jul 6, 2018 21:42
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People always go for the flashier triple nades, but yeah, endless nades and cannonball's the way to go. To really ham it up, get an Ana to nanoboost you as you just walk into the enemy team firing twenty grenades a second. On second thought, let me just say there's a place for the triple nades. I generally pick them if the enemy team has a bunch of dive/ambush or I don't want to be in one place for a long time (e.g getting damage out and then scramming using the talented W). Grei Skuring fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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Jul 6, 2018 21:48
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fool_of_sound posted:The Lost Vikings in HGC They won, too! That one pushing core the last few minutes was great
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Jul 6, 2018 22:18
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blastron posted:How do the Vikings work in the mech? Do you get the pilot/gunner skills when you swap between the two of them? You can't put 2 vikings in the mech. The one you do put in gets pilot/gunner abilities, and you can still micro to the other two and have them do whatever.
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Jul 6, 2018 22:39
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Jesus Christ Tempo Storm is such an embarrassment.
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Jul 7, 2018 01:31
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bamhand posted:Jesus Christ Tempo Storm is such an embarrassment. Hey guys lets let a 25 minute Arcane Punisher just waltz up to our core whats the worst that can happen
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Jul 7, 2018 01:34
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I want to make clear that they had 5 people up vs 1 on the other team. The punisher started on their keep. They just ignored it.
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Jul 7, 2018 01:37
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They were off by 6% punisher hp. It almost paid off. But yeah. LOL.
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Jul 7, 2018 01:38
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I'm glad Tempo Storm is getting the immense underachievement started early this phase
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Jul 7, 2018 01:54
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so I guess Psalm really was just completely carrying them all this time?
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Jul 7, 2018 02:10
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Semper Fudge posted:so I guess Psalm really was just completely carrying them all this time? The only did ok even with him at MSB.
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Jul 7, 2018 02:12
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fool_of_sound posted:The only did ok even with him at MSB. I felt that Psalm was one of their weaker players at the MSB though. Tempo just has a rep for some boneheaded calls and under preforming against top teams and still playing with a sub is probably not helping as well edit:but in the end Octalysis is worse as TS reverse sweeps Midnightghoul fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Jul 7, 2018 02:20
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Fan's haircut is terrible
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Jul 7, 2018 04:13
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Thrall's frostwolf quest is the most infuriating thing ever. Just a neverending series of ETC bumping people away or people killing dudes too early.
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Jul 7, 2018 05:29
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You're in the learning phase, which is good. Soon you will anticipate enemy and ally movements better because you're getting rewarded or punished for your predictions. That skill will help you in general, so I'd say play more skillshot quest heroes until your eyes bleed 
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Jul 7, 2018 13:06
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Try playing Tyrande for a bit. Once you can regularly land her Sentinel from across the map your skill shot to hit ratio with other heroes should go up dramatically.
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Jul 7, 2018 17:35
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Thrall's frostwolf quest is the most infuriating thing ever. Just a neverending series of ETC bumping people away or people killing dudes too early. Generally the cooldown talent is better on that tier unless you're looking to go tank busting or something. But you can wait until a big team fight and try to throw it into the middle of their team and hit multiple people at once/make it less likely to miss a guy.
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Jul 7, 2018 17:46
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The only good quest for Thrall is level 1 extra charge.
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Jul 7, 2018 20:31
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Thrall definitely has one of the best designs in the game talent wise. All his talents are at least situationally good. Hell, I even picked nexus blades once or twice.
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Jul 7, 2018 20:42
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If you are willing to play conservatively for a first several minutes (or are insanely good at landing Feral Spirit in solo lane) Frostwolf Pack is really good. Crash Lightning can also be really good at level 1 if you aren't solo laning. Thunderstorm is also excellent if you don't need to provide additional melee burst or percentile damage. Maelstrom Weapon is definitely the worst level 7 though. I never take Nexus Blades or Worldbreaker. Or Maelstrom Weapon. fool of sound fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Jul 7, 2018 20:44
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