Liquid Dinosaur posted:

WHY DON’T THESE PEOPLE JUST PLAY EVE?! Aren’t there some formidable corps out there who are checks on Goon power? I know you guys got your asses blown out like 2 years ago by some big coalition.

Beet Wagon posted:

You know what you have to do

Beet Wagon posted:

Because in EVE you can't stand on the bridge of your ship and enjoy a quiet cup of space tea like Jet Black, or meet Miles "Three Jackets" Prower in a seedy bar to pick up work like Mal Reynolds.

Seriously, for probably most of the people still left in the game it's the ridiculous "space second life" fantasy aspect that keep them as hooked as they are. It's what got most of them into it (I should know, it's what hooked me before I realized how retarded and empty it would be), and it's what will keep them dreaming of jacking into The 'Verse RPO-style long after CIG has shuttered their offices and started crowdfunding digital bottled water or whatever the gently caress they're gonna do next.

Evil_Greven posted:

I don't think forcing a shark to give a tube a blowjob is the best use of resources.

e: Maybe it could give CR one though.

colonelwest posted:

You see that on the Reddit, with how the majority of the posts are just pretty looking screenshots devoid of any real gameplay. It's just people imagining that they're in space and theory-crafting about some never to be released fidelicious second life mechanic. The 600i is really the pinnacle of this, as it does not and will never serve any real gameplay function, or move the game that's supposed to be about space ships shooting each other towards being actually fun. It exists only as a static object to be fetishized. On a subconscious level, I don't think any of the remaining hardcore backers really want a game. Any sort of release with a defined set of features would collapse all of their fantasies.

Evil_Greven posted:

Ah, I didn't realize that was how it was done. Neat.

Combat Theory posted:

Sometimes I wonder if you guys even play the new patches anymore before trying to shill them.

The performance increase is due to cig removing a large number of static and per player NPC ships and characters.

Since the age of 2.0 the per player performance for a given server has been largely the same. The only difference has been what cig tried to stuff in the instance regarding ship models and NPC fluff.

E: after reading through another 10 pages of verbal diarrhea im sorry for writing that. You clearly belong here friend. Please tell me more how gpus that run any vehicle combat simulation in existence at max settings and UHD are actually bad and outdated.

Agony Aunt posted:

Always amazes me about how they talk about things planned for SC in the present tense, but when panning ED (or other games) they compare future SC with current (insert other game). Yet if you say something like "Well, ED will probably have space legs in the future" they say "Ah, but it doesn't have it now!".... and i'm like... but... but.... you are bringing up future SC as though its now!

The Titanic posted:

So... the only benefit of this whole thing is just so other players can see you eating Cheetos, and dead staring at a computer screen?

This is pretty much the worst product. Nobody is going to be an actor or animated outside of messing around with it for 5 minutes and shutting it all off because they get laggy everywhere with it on.

Oh well. Sounds like a great thing for CIG to sink years and millions on instead of say, a fun game that is fun to play.

trucutru posted:

Oh, I am pretty sure there will be a whole lot of people practicing their suave-as-gently caress gestures and using them all the time... m'lady

doingitwrong posted:

It never stops amazing me that the normal critic/troll vs community dynamics of this project are so abnormal.

Normally, trolls are there to ruin your fun, close the pool for AIDs, and generally mess up a good thing with actions the developers didn't anticipate or did a bad job of defending against.

Here, there trolls are literally saying, "you're being scammed, stop spending your money, we're here to help."

And the community is still feeling like, "STOP RUINING OUR FUN."

doingitwrong posted:

Here, there trolls are literally saying, "you're being scammed, stop spending your money, we're here to help."

And the community is still feeling like, "STOP RUINING OUR FUN."

_{the trolls literally set up a subreddit to help you get refunds}

The Titanic posted:

Nobody is going to be an actor or animated outside of messing around with it for 5 minutes and shutting it all off.

AbstractNapper posted:

This looks like some extreme violation of personal space.

Seriously how can this still happen in this... thing?

Hav posted:

Or they're hoping that the people around them can make it work. Our CEO once asked angrily where his Drones were when Amazon started to roll them out. _But they're a loving stupid idea_ never crossed his mind. He makes around $6 million a year.

The Peter Principle is the idea that someone rises to the level of their incompetence, and it's based on the idea that while you could be a good sergeant, you might not make a good lieutenant, so once you make it there, the promotions stop. But now you have a bad lieutenant. A couple of counters to this have been suggested; demote everyone every year, or promote randomly from a pool of the best and worst performers.

Yes, it's vaguely insane, but I like the application of logic to ape brains. Now consider the Peter Principle without the actual promotion bit, and we have the Chris Roberts problem. Everything flows from one place, and it's not from the best person for the job.


No, I think he's beginning to sweat the gap between his vision and the reality, literally. He has a body of documentary evidence that is going to produce a quite amusing Roberts Vs Roberts series as he starts to suggest that after ten years development is when things get _really_ stale.

The Titanic posted:

This is part of the always present mystery of Star Citizen, spurred by the people looking exactly for this kind of game: dreams.

Dreams are difficult to compete with. CR says all the right things, has a big studio, puts out a ton of videos... so the appearance of progress is had. But actual progress is not.

With the amount of time and money and manpower CR has had, it's shocking that he hasn't been able to put out a complete vertical slice of his ideas yet.

Sometimes I sit on meetings for project after action reports for both failed and successful products. Any time I hear "if I had more time and money I could have gotten this in a better state" and their project was perfectly reasonable at the outset, no, no you couldn't have dumbass.

I'm not saying time and money doesn't help, but it's not a magic "I can do anything!" button. There's huge amounts of organization, preparation, analysis, documentation and getting everybody on the same page long before any amounts of code should be written. Most interactions don't need to be totally filled out because of agile, but everybody needs to have a core idea of how tab A is supposed to fit into slot B, and what sort of expectations there are for code necessities and DB, etc etc.

Then armed with this knowledge you set up milestones for deliverables. Each milestone should have some sort of noticeable impact on the project, and shows a definitive forward momentum as well as an understanding of the final goal of the project.

For SC, the documentation appears to be "Dreams of what I think this should be like" full of an almost entire games worth of activities and complex actions.

The milestones appear to have been entire modules, all of which were just supposed to fit together like bricks because this is as far as Chris' understanding of how object oriented programming is supposed to work.

So naturally nothing actually fit together, and the whole plan for the project became "we now we have to get this in there ourselves because group X was so stupid!" even though it was not group C being stupid at all; they were only as good as the requirements and specs they were provided. The expectations for the end results were impossible, but the ceo didn't care at the time.

So all senses of milestones are abandoned now, and they're limping along with patches where they try to throw whatever they can in there; with the major focus being on supporting whatever new mechanic some the next best space ship is supposed to do.

Where is the project in regards to milestones vs expected completion??? Nobody knows.

When will it be done??? Nobody knows.

These issues aren't fixable with time and money; they only get worse and worse. The promises for "what we have done!" constantly pile up because you need to show some progress to people who aren't buying you new ship to enjoy the 10 minutes of choppy gameplay you ramrodded into the game just for that sale.

Pretty soon a year goes by, and this feature you said was in there is still not there. And those features pile up. Pretty soon people need to come to some sort of a conclusion :

1: You have no loving clue what you're doing and how

2: You're lying to everybody each time to open your mouth

There's not really a third option, but for CR it was:

3: Absolve yourself of all responsibility for your years of errors and keep on going!

Obviously number 3 is ridiculously silly and stupid to most normal people, and is exactly not what you say at an interview when somebody asks you:

"How did you handle a difficult situation where you obviously screwed up and it cost the company?"

If you answer:

"I forgave myself and took no responsibility for my actions."

You won't be getting that job. And that's exactly what CR is saying to his supporters.

Keep backing the game because it's an epic train wreck that may not happen again in gaming for a long time like this.

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

I'd point out if this ever becomes a game I'll turn that poo poo on just to sit and make the stupidest faces I can (which if you saw my face it would be totally easy) while the RPers are trying to be super cerial in their space meetings at the space bar.

The Titanic posted:

So... the only benefit of this whole thing is just so other players can see you eating Cheetos, and dead staring at a computer screen?

This is pretty much the worst product. Nobody is going to be an actor or animated outside of messing around with it for 5 minutes and shutting it all off because they get laggy everywhere with it on.

Oh well. Sounds like a great thing for CIG to sink years and millions on instead of say, a fun game that is fun to play.

Dementropy posted:

Zaphod42 posted:

And again, Everquest 2 did this like 10 years ago and it was so unpopular they actually patched it out of the game. Nobody used it.

Its neither cutting edge tech nor something anybody really wants.

doingitwrong posted:

Voice chat harmed immersion in fantasy worlds because you discovered that all those orc and elves you were friends with were just human men and women with modern accents. gently caress it, the ability to name your loving character already did a lot to ruin immersion. FOIP would make all of it even worse.

Kikas posted:

Huh, so wait, does the immersive space sim MMO Star Citizen have actually any RP servAHAHAHAFDHAFHADHADFHADFH
I'm sorry, I just can't finish the thought, it's too stupid to type.

Dementropy posted:

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