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He also says a lot of dumb poo poo about women Like there are valid reasons to think hes a dingus
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Man my eyes were rolling backwards by the half point of that guys question seems like an agreement when an overwhelming amount of your fanbase believes that they indeed could and you are refusing to use your platform to disabuse them of the notion like dude if you wanna suck kermit, it's cool, but stop acting like he's a worthwhile human being
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Jul 7, 2018 18:07
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Subjunctive posted:You are a credulous buffoon of uncommon magnitude. Subjunctive posted:he refuses to distance himself from his toxic alt-right fan base This seems like the most troubling aspect of this guy I could see, but in the few interviews Ive listened to hes not reciting mein kampf or anything close, on the contrary. maybe I dont know the secret codes hes sending out to other Nazis. Also I havent seen the video someone else recommended about him a few pages ago, supposedly exposing him Anyway, carry on, Im not gonna die on the Jordan Peterson hill. If anything Im more curious about it and would love some proof of his supposed racism or nazism
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Jul 7, 2018 18:08
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To be fair most visible alt righters arent quoting mein kampf either. I dont think hes a Nazi, I just think hes another run of the mill right wing white guy intellectual whose target audience is young right wing insecure virgin white boys. Not inherently bad, but when you hear what he has to say about left wing politics and women, its hard to justify his position and approach.
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Jul 7, 2018 18:13
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Lol Because absolutely none of these things are original to him or even particularly meaningful advice and half the time he doesn't even live up to them himself and yet he gets worshipped by this bizarre cult of personality and it is entirely because he triggers people Like the refrain literally everybody uses is oh sure he's said some dumb things but he's said some good things too and it's like so the gently caress what? Why does JBP in particular deserve disproportionate accolades simply because some of the things he says are good advice? He's just Dawkins 2.0, people loving love him because he's perceived to be transgressive in the most milquetoast way possible against nonsensical enemies while exhibiting a lot of the same behaviors he rails against and he's too fuckin wrapped up in his own rear end in a top hat to be self reflective because he's the professor and the therapist, he's supposed to act as a mirror to people who are sick, he can't have pathologies of his own! Plus he's so evasive and nonspecific in his claims that he will walk back and divert every time he's called out on something and claim he's being misinterpreted or misrepresented, so he can have his ideological cake and eat it to. He is effectively anything to everyone, which is why if you try to look up, say, his opinions on God and religion, you'll find a slew of articles from both atheists claiming him as their own because of his logical reasonableness and conservative Christians who are delighted by him because he could bring atheists back to God. And you'll find both sides condemning him in equal measure for the same poo poo. He's frustrating because he's a chaotic mess of emotional meanderings who threads his thoughts together with post hoc logical connections in the same way we apply a coherent narrative to a dream once we're awake. He's the definition of reactionary in the literal sense, he responds to his emotions and then justifies them afterwards, then claims he was being rational all along, which is why his main cultural touchstone seems to be movies aimed at children. Combine all that with a deeply profound sincerity and Peterson's popularity and you finally start to piece together why he's popular: he's sincere without a strong moral core, so he weeps at the flux of vague concepts like "individualism" and utterly free of the irony poisoning that has ravaged the majority of the rest of us, but that alone doesn't make for a good spiritual leader or mentor since it's clear he can't even be assed to clean up his own loving room before appearing on a live video for millions of people to see even though it's literally a core tenet of his loving imbecile self help philosophy. At least hire a loving maid and fake it you dullard
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Jul 7, 2018 18:14
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Subjunctive posted:You are a credulous buffoon of uncommon magnitude. He is widely known within his faculty as an rear end in a top hat (though his academic work is reputedly strong), he refuses to distance himself from his toxic alt-right fan base, and his ramblings dont stand up to even cursory examination (see the trivial comparison to the civil rights movement posted earlier). He is approximately entirely without merit in his public form. It's not that he disagrees with the alt-right about the Jewish question or whatever, he just thinks that a vast Jewish conspiracy is a good thing because phenology declares Jews to be the smartest race
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Jul 7, 2018 18:15
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From the NYT interview with Jordan Peterson:quote:Mr. Peterson illustrates his arguments with copious references to ancient myths bringing up stories of witches, biblical allegories and ancient traditions. I ask why these old stories should guide us today.
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Jul 7, 2018 18:17
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That is an enviable intellect there.
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Jul 7, 2018 18:23
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Lol how is the video i linked, where he admits he is incapable of answering a question about whether or not there is a worldwide jewish conspiracy to control the world/media, not proof he might be a bit of a racist nazi. i thought in tyool2018 we were all capable of admitting that there just isn't a worldwide jewish conspiracy.
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Jul 7, 2018 18:26
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Subjunctive posted:That is an enviable intellect there. e: like in the sense of deep-seated unquestioned cultural ideas, not, like, Persona dungeons Nessus has issued a correction as of 18:40 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Jul 7, 2018 18:38
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also, witches live in little cottages in the woods, not swamps.
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Jul 7, 2018 18:39
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Nessus posted:If J-Petes is trying to make the point that ideas and stories and images exist as abstract concepts which can often deeply inform people's perspectives, he's absolutely right, but you would think that a professional academic would have at least sat down to workshop a fifty-word summary of a big idea at some point. Youd think someone whose career is made up of explaining concepts to people wouldnt sound like he was 3 mickeys in while being interviewed in a context where he can freely pause.
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Jul 7, 2018 18:42
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Nessus posted:If J-Petes is trying to make the point that ideas and stories and images exist as abstract concepts which can often deeply inform people's perspectives, he's absolutely right, but you would think that a professional academic would have at least sat down to workshop a fifty-word summary of a big idea at some point. persona dungeons at least call people out on their bullshit
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Jul 7, 2018 18:47
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Stand up straight with your shoulders back Most importantly, always wear sunscreen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI quote:If I could offer you only one tip for the future,
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Jul 7, 2018 18:48
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ekuNNN posted:also, witches live in little cottages in the woods, not swamps. Hey sometimes they live in Bubbles or castles.
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Jul 7, 2018 18:57
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ekuNNN posted:also, witches live in little cottages in the woods, not swamps. What about that one witch with a house that walks around on giant chicken legs? You gotta live in a swamp if you have a house like that, right?
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Jul 7, 2018 19:00
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Nah, Baba Yaga lives in the forest too
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Jul 7, 2018 19:03
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Office Commando posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbZZyVyEHGo It's also remarkable what a bad faith question that is. Yes we must hold the leadership of the USSR responsible for the Holodomor. You know, all those well-known Jewish leaders such as... Lenin. Secret Jew. Stalin? Secret Jew. Beria? Molotov? Oh you better believe thems some secret Jews. loving 
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Jul 7, 2018 19:04
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ekuNNN posted:Nah, Baba Yaga lives in the forest too Well, in that case she really missed a trick. My respect for John Wick has plummeted.
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Jul 7, 2018 19:09
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drat horror queefs posted:You know, all those well-known Jewish leaders such as... Lenin. Secret Jew. Well, his mom was Jewish before she converted. I assume that's enough for antisemites.
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Jul 7, 2018 19:09
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Man my eyes were rolling backwards by the half point of that guys question Someone comes into your house and right in front of you, while maintaining eye contact, they take a huge poo poo on your floor, and then they ask you what you think about that. Do you say "I'm not going to answer that" or something more along the lines of "what the gently caress is wrong with you, you're not welcome here, get the gently caress out" 
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Jul 7, 2018 19:14
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ekuNNN posted:Well, his mom was Jewish before she converted. I assume that's enough for antisemites. Yeah probably. I mean he had been dead for almost a decade by the time the Holodomor happened and Trotsky (the only actual Jew in the central committee) was deposed and exiled a few years before too but trifling details like facts are not JP's strong suit e: or his fans', in this case
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Jul 7, 2018 19:18
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I still think hes a good guy, I dont understand the hard on the internet has to hate him, his message is mostly good and nothing out of the ordinary for self help Here's a quick key to understanding the hate hard-on 1) He thinks women are a distraction to men in the workplace, and a net negative influence on productivity 2) He thinks increased racial diversity in various institutions is a negative phenomenon 3) He testified to defeat a trans rights bill on the grounds that someone would drag him to jail for not using the right pronouns 4) Climate change denial Serious question do you just not acknowledge this stuff, or is his self help message amazing enough to make his message "mostly good."
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Jul 7, 2018 19:26
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I dont think Petersons a Nazi but hes definitely enough of a scumbag grifter that he will take Nazi kickbacks. Basically, He doesn't support Nazis but he knows that because the Venn diagram circle of his supporters and Nazis looks like a target, he wont denounce them. Because of this he might as well be a Nazi. Like, " Im not a nazi! I just sell them the guns and the ammo and the torches" Just be like a regular person and be "hey if your a nazi or think other races or culture are less than your own, just stop coming to my things, your not welcome." But he already thinks women are less than men so its not a huge jump to believe he thinks the same of brown people.
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Jul 7, 2018 19:35
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Hihohe posted:But he already thinks women are less than men so its not a huge jump to believe he thinks the same of brown people. This whole deal kinda brings up why intersectionality is a thing in terms understanding prejudice and civil rights, because there's hardly going to be a person who supports a social hierarchy (with christian white males on top of course, nothing personal privilege for them to gain out of this system of course) and all the brutal disenfranchisement needed to maintain the artificial system of it but who will then say "Yeah, but I support equal rights for other people who aren't exactly like me". Just doesn't happen. There was a news article that was about the women in the neonazi movement complaining that the male neonazis were being extremely sexist to them, and I'm like "no poo poo."
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Jul 7, 2018 20:22
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Also the Canadian government had to step in and say, "No you're not correct about bill C-16, scooby plz"
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 Update, July 6, 2018: One day after being exposed as a member of a violent white supremacist group, Michael Miselis (with arms raised) has lost his job as an aerospace engineer. In an email, company spokesman Tim Paynter told ProPublica and FRONTLINE that Miselis is no longer an employee of Northrop Grumman. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/major-defense-contractor-to-investigate-violent-white-supremacist-on-its-staff#utm_source=Partner
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Jul 7, 2018 20:50
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Northrop definitely wouldnt want to employ a violent war enabling fascist.
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Jul 7, 2018 20:58
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Kibayasu posted:Northrop definitely wouldnt want to be known to employ a violent war enabling fascist. Appearances is everything in politics, more than actuality. NG would hire every fascist if it increased production and profit threefold, but they can't be seen doing it. Hell, half the reason the military budget is so big is because nobody wants to get the flashlight and the helmet and go budget spelunking to find out who's buying what and for how much. Also, they're not in the business of using weapons, just selling them impartially. Any bias on that front would give clients reason to turn away.
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Jul 7, 2018 21:33
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Comfy Fleece Sweater is a gimmick account, ignore them.
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Jul 7, 2018 21:53
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Are you sure, because there's no shortage of unironic alt righters and Jorp fans here in GBS.
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MoreLikeTen posted:Here's a quick key to understanding the hate hard-on Got any links to check out for these accusations? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Comfy Fleece Sweater has issued a correction as of 02:13 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Already heard of the first, totally unsurprised at the second, the third is the punch line lol. Verisimilidude posted:He also says a lot of dumb poo poo about women I've noticed his apologists around here are very quick to distance and play down any accusations of racism, but when the sexism comes up they just kinda shrug and go "meh". Grape has issued a correction as of 22:05 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Jul 7, 2018 22:02
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Got any links to check out for these accusations? Here's a video, please watch the whole thing so you have the correct context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf7NbRFyg3Y
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Jul 7, 2018 22:05
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Jordan Peterson is not even subtle about being a Nazi at this point so I don't understand why his fans try to maintain the charade
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Jul 7, 2018 22:38
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He is on the record as being a misogynist, transphobe, racist, and basically every kind of poo poo a person can be. Like, Google it
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CheesyDog posted:Here's a video, please watch the whole thing so you have the correct context 
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Got any links to check out for these accusations? Yeah, plenty. Tried to use the good professor's own words where possible 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LedAxZkjQc0 2) https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1006981616176992256 3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Bill_C-16 4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZZLSWbY3g&t=310s
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Man my eyes were rolling backwards by the half point of that guys question He doesn't refuse to acknowledge it, he refuses to answer it. There's a massive difference between "I can't say the words you want me to say, [e: and furthermore will not say why in public]" and "I refuse to acknowledge that question because it is founded entirely on lies, and anyone who believes otherwise is a zealot who is not welcome in my lecture hall. Get out." And that difference is thus: Being famous is more important to him than being right. And as an academic that is one of the worst sins you can possibly accomplish. Somfin has issued a correction as of 00:56 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I still think hes a good guy, I dont understand the hard on the internet has to hate him, his message is mostly good and nothing out of the ordinary for self help To say Peterson himself has any interest in following these rules is laughable on its face. e:especially that last one drat, avoiding that is like his whole shtick
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