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yeah this show will make a good conclusion in a super robot wars someday, we'll always have that
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Endorph posted:yeah this show will make a good conclusion in a super robot wars someday, we'll always have that It will be profoundly beautiful
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Jul 8, 2018 04:16
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E: ^^ gain Looking fwd to the school au ova as predicted by the ending.
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Jul 8, 2018 04:17
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but what about that giant hand tho If they released all the minds that Virm had in the Virmatrix when they blew up that planet, and also Hiro and 02 flew back to Earth and reincarnated, does that mean that all the old adults that Virm uploaded are also going to reincarnate? If it works that way, it would solve the issue of, "but what body is that soul even flying back to".
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Jul 8, 2018 05:30
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wow that loving sucked, why did I start watching this halfway through. a second series starring an out-of-water old rear end rich dude that got uploaded by VRIM and just came back into his body 300 years later could be funny though.
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Jul 8, 2018 05:35
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I want reincarnated Hir02 to get married and then have their happy lives destroyed by VRIM's third invasion. 
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Jul 8, 2018 05:50
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Maxwell Adams posted:but what about that giant hand tho The answer to all the reincarnation business is that it's some bullshit they pulled out of their asses because they didn't have the balls to just let Hiro and Zero Two die on their dumb solo suicide mission, so they decided to ape Gunbuster's welcome home extremely badly, but couldn't figure out how to do it without rewriting the final battle so they just handwaved some poo poo about reincarnation being a thing at the last moment so they could have a ~deep~ and ~meaningful~ scene with New Hiro and New Zero Two reconnecting, proving that ~true love~ is indomitable. Basically it's one final one shot thing that is substanceless and doesn't connect to the rest of the setting at all, so it's not worth pondering. Kanos fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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Jul 8, 2018 06:02
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Endorph posted:anyway this show got like half a dozen transphobes banned so its good It's a definite silver lining. Oh well. I didnt hate this show, but it kinda fell apart in the second half like I felt Kill La Kill did as well. Ikuno's ending was something, but it would have been nice to have her romance be a bit more blunt and less subtle. Also, boy oh boy were the last two episodes' action sequences.............bad.
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Jul 8, 2018 07:13
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sincx posted:You might want to tell that to Trigger. To be more specific, Trigger only did the animation. No major Trigger staff was involved in the actual writing and direction for this.
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Jul 8, 2018 07:44
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Xelkelvos posted:To be more specific, Trigger only did the animation. No major Trigger staff was involved in the actual writing and direction for this. Trigger had staff writing and directing a few episodes in the first half. They also were heavily involved in preproduction, if I remember right. ...Which helps explain the problems. It's Trigger's habits of overindulgence without their talent in the execution that sometimes lets things pull through anyway. Like trying to learn to play basketball by watching Curry's three point game. Some people can make the impossible work, and someone else trying to copy the same trick... can't.
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Jul 8, 2018 08:16
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AX revealing extremely important lore:
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Jul 8, 2018 09:39
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chiasaur11 posted:Trigger had staff writing and directing a few episodes in the first half. They also were heavily involved in preproduction, if I remember right. They had one relatively minor Trigger guy write the script for Episode 3 (under the supervision of Hayashi and Nishigori). Other than that, the main arrangement was that A-1 staff did the writing, while Trigger staff did the visuals (especially the action scenes). If the end product feels vaguely like a Trigger show in writing terms, that’s because of shared ancestry rather than direct involvement. Nishigori is a former Gainax animator who worked on most of their most famous shows, while Hayashi is a giant Gainax fsnboy.
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Jul 8, 2018 10:12
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im just happy they didnt do an ff7 and go "you know what would be a good alternative to soul power plants? coal  "
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Jul 8, 2018 11:51
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Endorph posted:yeah this show will make a good conclusion in a super robot wars someday, we'll always have that drat well better get paired with Diebuster. Diebuster Nono and Apus 02 can be buddies.
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Okay, I only just now finished this thing, and hooo boy. N-thing the impressions so far. This show sucks. It was pretty cool until the halfway mark or so, with genuinely cool mecha scenes (rocket spears!!!) and some intriguing setup. Also, selfish mean-spirited 02 is the most entertaining one. And then, nothing pays off! No actual rebellion takes place. Noone actually reacts to the revelations about the setting, most of which are covered almost as an aside in disaffectionate plotdumps. Hell, I think Zorome never even showed any reaction whatsoever to the old lady being extremely loving dead (did he even realize?!). All just... gone, unimportant. And the show then has the loving gall to end on a shot of the Earthside protagonists staring into the horizon, spouting some moral that has gently caress-all to do with the actual show. It just continues to ignore all its potential for... nothing, really. Also: - Now what the hell was the giant hand, even? Just a huge Klaxosaur who never appears again? A manifestation of the queen's power? What? - WHAT WAS THE POINT OF 02's FLASHBACK TO HER DEAD PARTNERS AND THE HAND?!?!?! - The action scenes in these last two episodes were almost entirely garbage. Literally just textures moving against each other, with some eventually replaced by expanding circles. THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M HERE FOR - VIRM continues to be disappointing. Not just their lame 2D texture representation, which looks like a goofy face from a distance, but mostly just lazy. The VIRM creatures themselves are also pretty much garbage. Just... random purple shapes. Nothing completely alien, as in the later half of TTGL, just generic monster shapes that might've been cannon fodder Klaxosaurs if you painted them blue. Eh concept, incredibly lame execution. What a pointless and disappointing show.
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Torquemadras posted:- Now what the hell was the giant hand, even? Just a huge Klaxosaur who never appears again? A manifestation of the queen's power? What? That was Star Entity. You know the thing that became Strelitzia Apus.
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Jul 8, 2018 20:55
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The biggest shame of this series is that it brought down the quality of the 4koma from outstanding to just great, because there wasn't even anything fun to make fun of anymore.
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Jul 8, 2018 20:56
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as someone who stopped watching after ep 1 it warms my cockles to see that it ended badly (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 8, 2018 21:17
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Relin posted:as someone who stopped watching after ep 1 it warms my cockles to see that it ended badly Stopped watching after ep 1 but still checks the thread until after it ends lol
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Jul 8, 2018 21:28
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Decent ending to a decent show IMO. Endorph posted:yeah this show will make a good conclusion in a super robot wars someday, we'll always have that
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Jul 8, 2018 22:43
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The character drama was fun when it wasn't Hiro and 02 past the halfway mark. Hell, I kinda wish the show hadn't focused them so loving hard by the end. Everything bad about the final episode was literally Hiro and Zero Two, with the most phoned in loving Diebuster + Jupiter Bomb final battle ever. Honestly though, as someone who came for the robot girls this show was incredibly disappointing. Me and my robot artist group are pretty annoyed by the whole thing, even if we ended up liking majority of the show.
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Jul 8, 2018 22:47
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Kashuno posted:Stopped watching after ep 1 but still checks the thread until after it ends lol Thats against the rules
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Jul 8, 2018 23:11
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To me this anime including the ending was just  .We're never going to have a Mech anime as awesome as TTGL was are we? 
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Jul 8, 2018 23:11
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spasticColon posted:To me this anime including the ending was just There've been a lot of mecha shows as good as or better than Gurren Lagann
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Jul 8, 2018 23:12
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spasticColon posted:To me this anime including the ending was just
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Jul 8, 2018 23:14
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for this reason, the climactic battle was weak, and the •Pray didn’t really land i liked the denouement though and this ending did not make me as laugh out loud furious as valvrave
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Jul 8, 2018 23:27
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Endorph posted:I think this show was never really going to be in the same vein as TTGL, it was at its best when it was doing character drama. If anything, the hard pivot into TTGL style high stakes action is when it started kinda sucking. My main complaint is that the show focused too much on character drama. To me it looks like they couldn't find a balance between the character drama and mecha action.
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Jul 8, 2018 23:27
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This was a romance/character drama show that just had it's setting in a mecha universe. Like we had a 4 episode stretch of the mechas not even being used. And yeah, the jump to aliens was a bit much, we could have just kept at the level of Papa being like, some rogue AI that decided HOOMANS were inefficient and still get a space fight finale attacking the space station, but whatever.
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Endorph posted:I think this show was never really going to be in the same vein as TTGL, it was at its best when it was doing character drama. If anything, the hard pivot into TTGL style high stakes action is when it started kinda sucking. Exactly this. The potentially good and interesting parts of this show were all tied to the characters and their development, and the show got worse when they tried to make things mega epic fate-of-the-world style stuff because that stuff was all occurring at a level that only peripherally involved the protagonists at best. The story of the Klaxxosaurs vs the VIRM could be an interesting story in a show all about that, maybe, except that's a story that really has nothing to do with the entire show's focus on the kids and their growth and development. spasticColon posted:My main complaint is that the show focused too much on character drama. To me it looks like they couldn't find a balance between the character drama and mecha action. The mecha stopped being a major focus of the show really early. For most of the series they were only used for the direct purpose of character development, and you had long stretches of episodes where the mecha either weren't used or were only shown for a brief moment to set up the conceit of the episode. I don't think they were ever trying to find a balance; for the majority of the runtime the characters clearly came first.
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spasticColon posted:My main complaint is that the show focused too much on character drama. To me it looks like they couldn't find a balance between the character drama and mecha action. I agree with that second part, at least. It felt like there were two very different creative visions for this show and it failed at both of them. The character drama failed because all of it was completely written off as soon as the action started, and the action failed because too much of it was weighed down by character drama that didn't tie into the action well, or exposition dumps that never paid off. It feels like what you'd get if you put the worst parts of EVA and Gurren Lagann together.
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IMO it reflects this show's splintered nature as a whole. It's a show with a lot of ties to Gainax's past, and a lot of blood from Trigger's future, but it's actually an A-1 show. It's a show about mecha action where the mechas are perfunctory for half the show. It's a sexy show that basically drops titties six episodes in. It's a character drama that refuses to let the main characters have any meaningful or elongated consequences. It's a show with gorgeous character design and animation that spends its finale stuck in a CG hellzone with characters only existing as cutaways to yelling faces. Remember the episode where the guys and girls drew a line in the midde of the dorms? That's kind of a metaphor for the show - two things that are ostensibly part of the same thing, but can never really bridge the gap, connect with or understand each other. This show had a few highlights, but it ultimately just feels like a waste. There were clearly a ton of talented people involved, but it just never felt like there was any one, unifying vision. Which would be fine, if this was a Space Dandy style scenario of the week thing, but it was theoretically a heavily plot-driven show. Ideally, a show like that shouldn't feel like everyone drew lots to decide what plot beats to put where.
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Jul 8, 2018 23:37
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in conclusion, i was right all along about godannar being better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NLVTFL1rvU BAN BAN GAN GAN GAN GAN HEARTBREAKER GAGAGAGANGANGAN
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Endorph posted:IMO it reflects this show's splintered nature as a whole. It's a show with a lot of ties to Gainax's past, and a lot of blood from Trigger's future, but it's actually an A-1 show. It's a show about mecha action where the mechas are perfunctory for half the show. It's a sexy show that basically drops titties six episodes in. It's a character drama that refuses to let the main characters have any meaningful or elongated consequences. It's a show with gorgeous character design and animation that spends its finale stuck in a CG hellzone with characters only existing as cutaways to yelling faces. I imagine this show will be studied for awhile as an example of how not to do something.
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If 02 had pegged Hiro on episode 3 or whatever we would have had kill la kill + TTGL and it would have been a better show for it. Non of this walking in the middle sort of poo poo, either go full crazy sexy giant robots or milktoast A1 character drama.
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Jul 8, 2018 23:47
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Endorph posted:in conclusion, i was right all along about godannar being better  For people in this thread who have a tolerance for some extremely dumb fanservice and want a show that blends mecha action and relationship drama a whole lot better than Franxx ended up doing, watch Godannar.
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Kanos posted:
they just got done watching a show about characters with butt handles and one time an enemy kinda just splooged on the mechas to make all the girls naked for no reason i think they're probably prepared
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Jul 8, 2018 23:53
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You know what was a good show? Vandread. I haven't seen it since 2004 so if it's actually bad don't yell at me.
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Jul 8, 2018 23:54
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Condiv posted:and one time an enemy kinda just splooged on the mechas to make all the girls naked for no reason There needs to be a reason? (Besides, wacky hijinks ensued. Wacky hijinks are worth a lot.)
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Guy Goodbody posted:You know what was a good show? Vandread. The first opening was pretty great, at least. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN9TD_Txy2k
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