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June Set 5 ==Beet catches Star Citizen Subreddit ban== Beet Wagon posted:"We're going to ban arguably the nicest critic on the subforum because someone else did something (which isn't against the rules) offsite." Beet Wagon posted:I'm just being amused by the fact that the entire mod team is ducking me to the point of logging off of their subreddit's discord because they know there's no good answer to the really simple question "What exactly was I banned for?" I guess it's easier to log off than to admit "Uhhhh we banned you for posting a screencap of reddit to Something Awful." Beet Wagon posted:
DapperDon posted:One thing we know as a known fact is that they are all hypocrites of the highest autistic order. Just like me and a few other goons that tested their rules to the point of them not caring anymore about them to just hit us with a ban. They are not equipped to deal with people like us. We were never supposed to be able to survive their "fair and balanced" sub rules or moderators and it ran their autism meters well into the red for a long time before they exploded. Their platform of faux discussion was a lie. They don't want debate, they don't want criticism except for how many chariots they can fit into another and then fantasize about space rape. They want a hugbox and that is exactly what they have. And glance into the comment section of websites that discuss Star Citizer shows they don't do well outside of their protected areas. They are broken headed children that need to be put in a playpen with adult supervision. Nothing more. No Scooby Hour mystery. They are just not people that can deal with a reality that does not shield them or enables their behavior. So when I think of all the money those idiots have shoveled up Chris and Sandi's nose, I laugh. I laugh my rear end off because there never will be a game. Never. \u\Beer4TheBeerGod posted:This subreddit has never been particularly respectful. It's a reflection of the Star Citizen community in general, who by design can't accommodate the possibility that the project that they've sunk money and energy into is destined to be a failure. Outside the echo chamber Star Citizen is a scam, Chris Roberts is a fraud, and the community is a cult. Inside the echo chamber Star Citizen is going fine, Chris Roberts is saving gaming, and the community is healthy. Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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June Set 6Spiderdrake posted:SC has entered the patreon paradox; they continue to receive money for not finishing, so they won't finish until they stop receiving money, but won't be able to finish without money. Bootcha posted:I'll preface this with IANAP. Beet Wagon posted:It will never not be funny that all guys pissing up the "SA is brigading us with thousands of reddit bots" tree on /r/starcitizen are the same dudes who spend 6 hours at a time astroturfing any Star Citizen post in /r/games, /r/pcgaming, /r/gaming, and any other community that has the misfortune to have to deal with them. TheAgent posted:you'll find that every high level backer is a goon, doing a reverse inverse concern pledge, sideways spite pledge troll TheAgent posted:haha I forgot about this holy poo poo SPECTRUM posted:We funded the game almost 6 years ago and blasted through the stretch goals and we almost trippled the ammount that was asked for (65 Million was the last stretch goal, we're at 187,954,483$ as of today, that's almost 100times more than what was asked for in the beginning! It should've been all funded with 2 Million $) Lord Stimperor posted:A long time has passed between 2012 and now and it's absolutely astounding how much has changed in my life while Star Citizen remained sort of a constant, if not one that has been prominent at all times in my life. I finished my Bachelor's Study, found a partner to share my life with, moved town, finished my Master's Degree, moved again, bought a house, got a dog, started and stopped taking flying lessons, got into sim flying instead, became a lovely woodworker, learned how to program microcontrollers to make custom keyboards and game controllers, got fat, got thin, became the uncle of two wonderful girls, and many other things. TheAgent posted:wow another ship sale Scruffpuff posted:I'm absolutely tickled with the E3 reaction to Star Citizen: no reaction at all, because it doesn't matter. When forcibly brought up, it gets a canned laugh track. ==New JPEG sale that looks like it may have been a tracing over an EvE Online ship== https://twitter.com/EveOnline/status/1007352147426594816 posted:r/starcitizen declares war on r/eve VictorianQueerLit posted:I was curious so I decided to do some math. The Star Citizen ship costs $120 for new money/$140 for store credit posted:Mining in the new Vulture posted:gently caress that dieing CCP game, fir they sought on milking hard longest of times and whise community is definitely not known for being open minded and welcoming. posted:"EVE is dying" doingitwrong posted:
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Zaphod42 posted:Watching ATV is really getting creepy, the cult-like way employees talk about a made up imaginary fairy land. ==EvE Responds Again== quote:PRESENTING THE VENTURE CAPITALIST SKIN BUNDLE! big nipples big life posted:
Cao Ni Ma posted:It takes a very special brain to think that CCP is trying to make a buck out of cig and not that they are taking a huge dump on them to the delight of their community posted:I spent thousands and no it doesn't make me mad, because it was play money and intended to throw away on meaningless things. Scruffpuff posted:Then the release of 3.whatever made backers panic from its sheer ineptitude. Every release from this bad joke of a game developer moves the "game" backwards and further away from the dream in trailers and early playable mockups (playable sections made by actual game development studios instead of CIG). Beet Wagon posted:We've got to be pretty close to peak theorycrafting here posted:I started wide eyed and excited. Then I started to realize this was not something that was coming right away, and I started to get frustrated. Then I realized, if someone asked me how long I would wait for a game like this, I would answer my life. I would wait my whole life to play my dream game. The Titanic posted:Right now CIG should be having a cornucopia of content pretty much orgasming onto people's computers every month or so. With as much as they promised, their 5-10% should be years away. They have to deliver such an enormous load that you can't even rub the surface without hitting tremendous content. Drunk Theory posted:War is peace, freedom is slavery, Star Citizen is good Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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June Set 7 ==CIG continues to tie themselves in knots over ship insurance== In one of their weekly youtube videos they say ship insurance will be in "real time" which confuses and alarms the citizenry. Its somewhat confusing and pointless. XK posted:Insurance time runs down 8 times faster while playing, because the game has an accelerated clock. The "vacation" clock runs real time. Something about "played time". The Saddest Robot posted:Why do you need an accelerated clock to make a fictional moon rotate 8 times in one day? Just say that the moon rotates at that rate. TheAgent posted:imagine four insurance claims on the edge of a cliff Toops posted:Two main reasons Star Citizen is 4 years late: Colostomy Bag posted:
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Ghostlight posted:"BRACE YOURSELF FOR GOOOOOOONNNNNSSWWWWWWWAAAAAAAARRRRRMMMMMM" warns Kazan to his apprentice, grasping the sides of his computer chair so tightly the colour flees his knuckles, and watching through teeth so tightly clenched only a sliver of enamel escapes them. His whole body rocks with the impact of the words -1 points appearing next to his name on the computer screen. ==Might be time to start thinking about expanding the Trophy room== big nipples big life posted:
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Tsed posted:I love that EVE is wasp's nest they chose to stick their dick in. SPECTRUM posted:Me and lot and lot of friends we put our money (lot of money) in this project because we trust in 2012 Chris Roberts words, a simulator for PC, but after years, lot of delay we are loosing faith. Zazz Razzamatazz posted:
Zaphod42 posted:CIG's spaceship shilling videos are weird, in that they don't sound like they're talking about ships in a videogame, not really. They're describing completely different game experiences, basically each its own completely different game. XK posted:For everything this game needs, here's what CIG will deliver: Pixelate posted:Captain's Log: 3.2 G0RF posted:Miku and Montoya both parrot this absurd lie that there are 5-10 ship artists in the 400 person company. Trilobite posted:
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==Possibility of selling company shares continues to brew== Dark Off posted:https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08815227/filing-history quote:remove the rights and there's no obstacle to offering to sell to outsiders quote:That's what I think, knowing nothing about any of this and reading that for 2mins. Change the articles of association to remove first dibs for shareholders and sell shares to whales Mattjpwns posted:
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June Set 8The Titanic posted:As a former employee of Love Pledge now that the company has been shifty disbanded in a shaded manner, I just want to go on record for this. The Titanic posted:Rule #1 of Star Citizen marketing is that Star Citizen is always exactly the game you want to have. SolusLunes posted:I found out that one of my friends has sunk ~500 pounds into this game. Scruffpuff posted:FPS design best-practice: posted:I watch Wing Commander on a yearly basis. It's still a good movie, all things considered. trucutru posted:The ship with the famous bathtube they were talking about was the Constelation Phoenix "A dedicated luxury spacecraft for the discerning space captain" (it also includes the Millennium Falcon's secret storage area), which was the first "luxury" ship and the reason CIG noticed that they could milk a shitload of extra money from a certain subset of morons. That lead to the 600i and 900 Jump, as well as to the Constellation Phoenix Emerald for the extra-dumb. I'll let it speak for itself Zaphod42 posted:I love how 99% of CIG's videos are just showing you dev tools. Toops posted:For a party system of acceptable fidelity, the server needs to send updates every single frame about : Scruffpuff posted:The CIG Scam Playbook Scruffpuff posted:Sometimes I'll spin up an old game, some as far back as the 90s, whatever I can get running. And any time I see anything happen in the game, no matter what it is, I think to myself "LOL Chris can't do this." TheAgent posted:hmm another star citizen partner being sued you say? stolen code you say? the same team that was cut from star citizen scrambled to make a buck you say? posted:Scruffpuff posted:People like to accuse people who understand what a hack Chris is as "haters" or "jealous of his success" but this doesn't track. There are countless game devs out there who are far more successful than Chris - why aren't we piling on all of them this hard? Garriott just release a complete failing turd, and we're giving him well-deserved poo poo over it, but we still recognize him for what he's accomplished. Tokamak posted:
==Elite Dangerous is detailing additional mining mechanics which angers Star Citizens== Quavers posted:
G0RF posted:There are at least 3 kinds. Beet Wagon posted:https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SkinnyDampGrison-mobile.mp4 tuo posted:
Scruffpuff posted:In a sane world, this project would be a parody of game development that everyone would agree is a parody, and everyone would have a good laugh, and that would be the end of it. posted:Basically, nothing is done that should be done by now, and the pace and approach they are taking means this is a permanent development project until funding cannot sustain it anymore... it's not a goal to finish and ship a product.
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I give this unto the thread... Because 'tier zero' is memeing right now.
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Pixelate posted:I give this unto the thread... What's the context for this?
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Terminally Bored posted:What's the context for this? Mining is poo poo, but they like it
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For whatever reason, they've finally decided to add some gameplay mechanics this year. My thinking is Chris is either feeling the pressure of getting an actual game out the door or he's so involved with this years bullshot that he doesn't have time to interrupt people so they can actually get some work done. 'tier zero implementation' is a new term that has been gaining traction since whenever they do add something, it either sucks or is very buggy (see mining) The commando recognizes that this is very different from what they've spent years imagining, so far off in fact that instead of recognizing it as a first pass, they opt to label it as an unfinished first attempt. This leaves their dreams of the future intact since everything will be perfect and fidelitous in the 20th implementation (Star Citizen has unlimited time you understand). For more critical citizens; it allows them to verbalize what they don't like about <insert feature> without implying that Star Citizen itself is bad, which it is. The term was probably coined on one of their youtube videos since they started pointing the camera at devs more; who have had to invent creative ways of explaining delays, broken builds, and lack of meaningful progress. Since I'm posting a not-exactly-recap response might as well fill it up. I was writing this for another thread but it's funny enough for this one too: ewe2 posted:Can someone dig up the origins of the citizen claims of 'fake refunds' in the refunds subreddit because by now it's being quoted in every passive-aggressive aside as if it never needed proof How I remember it... Part 1: Some backer comes into Derek Smart's discord and starts talking with the Markov Bot "FrogBear" (I think before Discord clearly marked bots as such) thinking it was a real person. This public channel is normally barren of conversation and a few people notice this idiot is looking for some kind of confirmation that Goons are photoshopping refund screenshots and sarcastically respond that they all take shifts creating reddit accounts and faking refunds. This guy grabs a few screenshots of the conversation and disconnects, pleased with himself that he's now got the goods on Goons and their fake refund posts. Star Citizen is good once more in his mind. Part 2: Some poster on the refund subreddit says his guild has successfully refunded $45k. This turns out to be fake, maybe. The reddit poster self deleted the account and CIG says they refunded $300, not $45k; CIG would never lie. The post and moderator response (Beet) can be found here. Part 3: Supposedly one or two of the extra special citizens have posted fake refunds proving somehow to themselves that all posts there aren't genuine. Part 4: That's it. Long ago Goons trying to trigger a "refund cascade" may have been a real thing and the idea that some/all refunds are fake is convenient to the narrative that everyone still loves Star Citizen and CIG would never bend to dirty unbeliever wishes. https://twitter.com/iq_derek/status/843376023521628161 Commonly linked "proof" images: lol Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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Thanks as ever VC. Are those crazy strings of photoshops made by shitizens (I assume so)? And what did Behaviour do on SC?
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Virtual Captain posted:Mommy, where do fake refunds come from? It's actually even more complicated than that. Early on in the life of /r/starcitizen_refunds, a bunch of the weirdos at /r/dereksmart postulated that making a bunch of fake refund posts would sink the subreddit by destroying our credibility or whatever. IDK, their plan doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me even now. We banned bunches of them for making fakes and then talking about it in other subs (weirdly there was never a "haha I got you" moment in /refunds, where you'd think it would do the most "damage"). In addition to this, goons thought it was super funny they thought all the refunds were part of some grand conspiracy, and one of the dudes who was on Derek's discord (/u/Hater115) thought it would be funny to take "incriminating screenshots" of the discord and post them to /r/dereksmart. That's where the famous nawledgelambo "folder full of fake refunds" post comes from. Hater even showed them the screenshot of him asking goons to say the most incriminating things they could think of, but the brain trust at /r/dereksmart refused to accept that they'd been had and the joke continues to this day. The $45k dude was just some crazy person who genuinely "got" us until he deleted all his accounts and disappeared. No idea who he was, but afaik he wasn't affiliated with either goons or derek smart murder fantasy guys. Pure coincidence, but the timing of it all really bolstered the whole "folder full of fakes" thing which was p hilarious. Beet Wagon fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jun 26, 2018 |
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Beet Wagon posted:It's actually even more complicated than that. Early on in the life of /r/starcitizen_refunds, a bunch of the weirdos at /r/dereksmart postulated that making a bunch of fake refund posts would sink the subreddit by destroying our credibility or whatever. IDK, their plan doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me even now. We banned bunches of them for making fakes and then talking about it in other subs (weirdly there was never a "haha I got you" moment in /refunds, where you'd think it would do the most "damage"). The level of stupidity this brings out in people over a video game never ceases to amaze me, and thank you for this story Beet Wagon, but I am assuming that getting refunds from CIG are much more difficult these days then in years past?
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ChickenBuckets posted:The level of stupidity this brings out in people over a video game never ceases to amaze me, and thank you for this story Beet Wagon, but I am assuming that getting refunds from CIG are much more difficult these days then in years past? They've essentially dried up, yes. CIG can't legally deny them in some countries, so what they do is tell you that you have to wait for a "refund specialist" who never really shows up. There have been only a handful of actual refunds since I think January, and most of those have some kind of special circumstance. They've gone from "no refunds" to "gently caress, I guess we have to" to "actually if we just make you wait forever..." lol e: it's also worth mentioning in regards to Virtual Captain's post that some reddit idiots still believe forums poster 'The Agent' is a collaborative work of fiction that we all take turns posting as lol Beet Wagon fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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As someone who doesn't follow Star Citizen beyond the superficial (also never put money into it) I got into an argument with someone on a discord the other day because some copyright lawyer said that the arguments raised by Crytek / Cryteks legal team had no merit, whereas my argument was "dude, did you even loving read the statement of claims - if even half of them are accurate then they're up a creek without a paddle" he then linked me a playlist of three videos that said "answered all of my questions" which I promptly did not watch. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
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tithin posted:As someone who doesn't follow Star Citizen beyond the superficial (also never put money into it) I got into an argument with someone on a discord the other day because some copyright lawyer said that the arguments raised by Crytek / Cryteks legal team had no merit, whereas my argument was "dude, did you even loving read the statement of claims - if even half of them are accurate then they're up a creek without a paddle" If it takes three videos worth of content to answer a pretty straightforward series of claims I don't think you are going to see very robust defense from most firms. I love this thread and I love watching SC from the sidelines. I have been following it from a long distance for a looong time. I still can't believe it is still going.
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tithin posted:As someone who doesn't follow Star Citizen beyond the superficial (also never put money into it) I got into an argument with someone on a discord the other day because some copyright lawyer said that the arguments raised by Crytek / Cryteks legal team had no merit, whereas my argument was "dude, did you even loving read the statement of claims - if even half of them are accurate then they're up a creek without a paddle" Best thing about online lawyers is their legal advice is generally as good as you pay for, and they're entirely overlooking the fact that they have to convince a judge, not a bunch of gamers on youtube. Skadden have laid down a case that manages to get them coming and going, something I expect the judge to try and qualify, and it's really going to be a 'wait and see'. If CiG don't attempt a settlement before the scheduling hearing, I'd be surprised, because discovery could be bad for them considering the claims. I actually typed out everything they were asking for in discovery and it's amazeballs. quote:1) All COMMUNICATIONS between CRYTEK and DEFENDANTS, whether by e-mail, private messaging, or forum posts, exchange of media, or file transfer protocol, and all DOCUMENTS incorporating or referencing those COMMUNICATIONS, including but not limited to e-mail chains forwarding those COMMUNICATIONS in whole or in part or commenting on those COMMUNICATIONS.
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Cloud Imperium Games Corp.; Roberts Space Industries Corp.; Cloud Imperium Games, LLC; Cloud Imperium LLC; Cloud Imperium Rights, LLC, Roberts Space Industries LLC, Cloud Imperium Services, LLC, Cloud Imperium Games Texas LLC, Cloud Imperium Games UK Limited, Cloud Imperium Rights LLC, Foundry 42 Limited, Gemini 42 Entertainment LLC, Gemini 42 Productions, LLC, Roberts Space Industries International Ltd., and Twin Bros. GmbH, including but not limited to organizational charts. It's a well known fact that up and coming video game companies establish no fewer than 15 shell corporations to help make their breakout games. (See CDPR and The Witcher series, Blizzard Entertainment and the Warcraft series) e: sorry, meant for main thread. The joke which is CiG still stands. Tinfoil Papercut fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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Beet Wagon posted:e: it's also worth mentioning in regards to Virtual Captain's post that some reddit idiots still believe forums poster 'The Agent' is a collaborative work of fiction that we all take turns posting as lol
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Hav posted:I actually typed out everything they were asking for in discovery and it's amazeballs.
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TheAgent posted:well that's one rumor that's 100% true Please keep disclosures like this to the CLEARED GOONS ONLY THREAD #16
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Didn't some court document give away that CIG already asked how much they'd have to settle for, and got a very deliberate non-answer? I thought it was the part where Skadden were putting some kind of proceedings schedule together, and CIG's contribution was "But why are we even being sued? We don't get it!"
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Yeah, but iirc it was more that they couldn't understand why skadden hadn't said 'we are suing you for $300'. They might be more open to settlement once they've got CIG good and terrified, but so far they seem too stupid to realise how hosed they are.
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what's the deal with the bizarre and hilarious photoshops that one guy always posts?
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juggalo baby coffin posted:what's the deal with the bizarre and hilarious photoshops that one guy always posts? A national treasure in short. We don't ask, yet he provides.
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TheDarkFlame posted:Didn't some court document give away that CIG already asked how much they'd have to settle for, and got a very deliberate non-answer? I thought it was the part where Skadden were putting some kind of proceedings schedule together, and CIG's contribution was "But why are we even being sued? We don't get it!" They tried the clueless defense and the judge told them to knock it off and figure it out before the scheduling hearing. They also attempted to get a summary judgement in opposition to Skadden looking for a jury trial, which also hadn't happened, because the judge told them it was a bit premature. All in all it's not been that great for CiG so far. As far as settlement terms, you tend to go through the motions of discovery, then have a hearing to discuss things like how much cash to make everything go away. This doesn't preclude a private contact to make things go away, but nobody low-balls the first offer, and this is Skadden, who made serious gently caress-you money from the Oculus thing. Given the language of the suit and the amount of marbles they appear to be going for (all of them), I doubt any settlement will be requested by Skadden. They pulled some of the more tinfoily arguments regarding Ortwin's ethics, but they do appear to be leaning in hard on the contract agreement and the 'intent' of CiG to simply forget obligations. We're just waiting on the next stage to drop, which is in the next month or so. Disclaimer: IANAL, merely a legal enthusiast, but anyone who says they know how this is going to go doesn't.
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June Set 9G0RF posted:YOUTUBE: GamerMax really wishes he hadn’t looked at the Roadmap... Pixelate posted:This SnoopSnoo site is dangerous... #doxxersanonymous #notalldoxxers no_recall posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJgzlnUkrbw Pixelate posted:Star Citizen: Tinfoil Papercut posted:Leonard "J" Crabs glared with intent at the scene behind the one-way mirror. He was surrounded by police officers which would normally cramp his style, but they had fallen for his ruse and granted him access to the interrogation. All it took was a $2.00 toy FBI badge from Amazon and a few feminine hygiene jokes. Leonard hadn't set foot in a police station since that pesky incident with that Thai girl - but now he was grateful for the firepower if things went sideways. The Titanic posted:Outside of all of these little tiny options for griefing, there will be nothing more exciting to people than blowing up ships people actually spend hundreds of dollars on. Beet Wagon posted:
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Jobbo_Fett posted:The story of the Khartu-Al is a bitter pill for backers to swallow. Usually they just wait for you to lose interest or get distracted so they can chuck it into a nearby garbage can or brush. juggalo baby coffin posted:Chris Roberts is using the classic Benjamin button game dev approach quote:An Analysis Of Jibo: What Went Wrong? posted:Ok, I think it is time I ask for a refund /u/OldSchoolCmdr posted:It's too late to get a refund. However, you should still go through the motions of filing for a refund, getting everything recorded, saved etc. The reason is that, I believe that there is going to be govt. legal action stemming from this project very soon. Zaphod42 posted:
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Jun Set 10 ==G0RF with a kickass trailer and video== G0RF posted:YOUTUBE: Star Citizen - A Chris Roberts Game G0RF posted:I made a thing. <<<<----- Worth Clicking (video: A Brief History of Lying with Chris Roberts playing himself) ==Kids on AtV== For some reason Chris and Sandi's kids are included in one of the weekly of the youtube videos posted:Bootcha posted:Life imitates art. ==Chris on live RtV== Daztek posted:Chris just confirmed on RtV: No Squadron 42 this year Spatial posted:Transcript: Dark Off posted:Timestamps for various stuff waiting for transcription. SCSUcksDealwithit posted:I'm disgusted by you all, still harping on that SC is great, everything is cool etc. colonelwest posted:I finally got to watch all of the recent ATV, and it was some quality entertainment. It was shockingly bad even by CIG standards, but also strangely the most honest I've ever seen Chris. I think we are reaching a threshold were the constant cavalcade of broken promises, failure and sleazy marketing coming out of CIG are finally taking their inevitable toll on a large portion of the remaining backers. The wider game community has written off SC as vaporware and/or a laughable scam, and even Spectrum and the SC subreddit contain unprecedented levels of negativity. It seems like Chris is finally starting to realize this, though of course he will never take responsibility for it and "absolve" himself by claiming to be too optimistic and too visionary for us plebes to understand. posted:I think that, and other comment about AI player comrades coming next year, sets a reasonable expectation of SQ42 sometime in 2020 and beyond. Colostomy Bag posted:Good god that RtV is a dumpster fire that can be seen from space. Roberts is sweating like some farm animal. G0RF posted:Man, I’m watching through the RTV for real now — I’m actually kind of wondering if he did see the video right beforehand? XK posted:Oh, great, now G0RF is also a god-tier video editor. TheAgent posted:just lol at that whole interview Tokamak posted:A rare opportunity for Chris to spend an hour answering the big questions... Beet Wagon posted:A Project Manager: "I'm not the best person at estimating my time or other peoples' time..." G0RF posted:“I absolve myself of that.” Dooguk posted:First he brings his kids into a video. Now he tries to tell everyone "Look at me I am only human and I make mistakes" I get the feeling this is the start of slowly bringing the backers down to earth, to get them ready for a huge disappointment. posted:This was a good old Chris back from Kickstarter days. Still some bullshit, but just a little big
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June Set 11Beexoffel posted:
Aramoro posted:I'm going to try this at work. Scruffpuff posted:People try to be edgy and call people "sheeple" and all that other silly horseshit. XK posted:
Hobold posted:That is one thing that will never cease to be hilarious. Spiderdrake posted:Step 1 Don't spend >100 million on making GBS threads out "transparent development" marketing and/or mocap and/or whatever other wasteful poo poo Rectal Death Adept posted:This is perfectly fine and normal in the industry. The pipelines have already been built over the past six years and CIG not only gets the benefit of the senior programmer's extensive knowledge in getting the game almost ready to ship, but now they also get the fresh eyes of a talented new programmer ready to polish the ready to use pipelines even more. We are actually going to get an even better game because of this. Scruffpuff posted:What pisses me off the most about people insisting that Chris has "vision" or that "the technology isn't ready for his vision" like he's some kind of loving futurist. Spiderdrake posted:How much do you have to diminish the scope for there to be an actual finished "game" at this point? We're at -88% progress with a mountain of toxic assets floating on an ocean of technical debt. Every time someone talks about "voted to expand the scope" I just feel like they're farting in different sized rooms. Whether the bear farts on you in a convention hall, a conference room or a smaller face to face contract signing you're still just getting a blast of stinky hot air condensed into a smaller or larger space. Zazz Razzamatazz posted:https://giant.gfycat.com/ImperturbableFlashyHochstettersfrog.mp4 space-X-chicken posted:my live is a trainwreck. and thats why i love star citizen. it's a giant one, my live cannot compare to this. The Titanic posted:Star Citizen is years late and has no hope of coming out. Chris doesn't know what to ask for. When he sees the results, he's unhappy with it because it's not what he "knows" it should be. He's probably wasted thousands and thousands of hours of programming time churning out unusable poo poo because he's asking for the dumbest things and wanting them built in the exact opposite method of how they should be done in a game engine. Pixelate posted:VentureBeat: Star Citizen adds mining with its ambitious Alpha 3.2 quarterly patch Mr Fronts posted:
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PederP posted:Much less ambitious: They were promising the holograms would be the target object rendered into a texture and then projected onto a surface "locally". Like how mirrors and in-game cameras have been done for decades in other games. Somehow, a lot of backers were really impressed by this. Colostomy Bag posted:
Bofast posted:Pretty sure anyone who has ever been to any other kind of company which serves food, or seen almost any one movie or TV show ever made or even just played some old videogames should be able to design a better bar than this. Zazz Razzamatazz posted:My favorite is the distance between the feet and the floor. Tinfoil Papercut posted:George: Look at this Jerry! I never believed I would be in a space bar. I've always wanted to be in a space bar some day. Ever since I was a little boy, I've always wanted to be in one of these. Floating through space, sipping a drink. It's amazing Jerry! Sarsapariller posted:Hahaha looks like the scaling issues are back. Love that his feet don't even touch the floor. doingitwrong posted:Ah gently caress, this is so good. Scruffpuff posted:
Gort posted:We're going to have an entire planet in our space game! no_recall posted:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-2-0m-ptu-794284-patch-notes Koil posted:It is my sad duty to inform you that Sarsapariller posted:
SomethingJones posted:Posted today: SCSUcksDealwithit posted:None of the idiots on reddit are catching onto this. SomethingJones posted:It's like the Titanic, except they robbed everyone on board and then sunk before they even reached the iceberg. Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jul 9, 2018 |
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Space titanic clipped into the iceberg and got stuck. They started spinning around each other then shot off into the sky.
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July Set 1tuo posted:A: "can you build me a nice house? I have some money, and I'd really like a nice house" G0RF posted:TWITCH: AstroPub takes on the World’s Deadliest Fetch Quest Ghostlight posted:
Hyper Crab Tank posted:Is Star Citizen is going to be a game, a product for people to buy? It's not. It's salvation itself! It's the promised land that Christ Roberts will lead the faithful to! And when that day comes, like a vengeful Lord trampling unbelievers on judgment day, he will raise his hand to the heretics and deny them paradise. posted:This is all legitimately sad. I wish they could just admit they're in trouble. Virtual Captain posted:
Mr Fronts posted:DISPUTE ALL THE CLAIM Scruffpuff posted:
Scruffpuff posted:Interestingly, this might be the key to figuring out what's actually happening with CIG. Since Chris Roberts pretty much only lies, we just extrapolate from that. Take everything he's ever said, and come up with a scenario that's 100% opposed to it, and we should have a pretty good picture of what's going on inside CIG. PederP posted:It's the catch-22 of being a whale in an online game - if your whale status buys you anything significant, the game will never be popular with mainstream gamers - if the plebs can get what you bought, then you're a laughing stock for spending whale amounts of money on content accessible by anyone. Scruffpuff posted:
SomethingJones posted:Store Citizer: Around the loving Verse SelenicMartian posted:I bear free bear-free gifs Amazing Zimmo posted:From CIG's latest monthly studio update. Hyper Crab Tank posted:It seems to me that Chris Roberts approaches game design the same way he might, say, writing a book or a movie script. If you can imagine it, it's there; all it takes to build a world is to formulate the picture in your head, and off you go. Sure, someone has to write the words (or code and graphics, as the case may be), but that can be offloaded. The creative vision is what makes the story, after all. When you're writing a book, there's no real limit to what you can imagine. You want a story set in a world with infinitely fidelitous spaceships and factories and space pirates? Sure, knock yourself out. You can have that. Scruffpuff posted:I think it's closer to this: he said it, so it's true. Like you, I've worked for people like this. They're "in charge" so if they say something exists that doesn't exist to them it's not lying - they're just ahead of the curve. The very statement that a thing exists will eventually be true when said thing is brought into existence once the order is handed down, so they're not lying, they're just anticipating the truth and calling it in advance. It's that certainty that makes it reality - they think they're making things through sheer willpower and "leadership." Zazz Razzamatazz posted:So I've been in the SC trades reddit (don't ask why) and you'd think it was citizens with a ship or 2 to sell but there are a ton of people there with hundreds of ships each. Blue On Blue posted:Some people made a good chunk of change off the initial 'rush' into SC
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July Set 2colonelwest posted:Great job GORF. I like how you let Chris speak for himself this time. I think that's the central point in the SC meta game. If you just give it a little time, CIG will always just bury itself in its own lies, greed and incompetence. quote:FailureToReport: Star Citizen - 3.2 - I Was Incorrect, My Bad A Commando posted:I think we need to start a support group. I am a former whale of SC. Handle not revealed because of risk but I've spent $7500. Started March of 2014 and ended July of 2017. When I started seeing Christ Roberts was selling everyone their own dream is when I popped smoke. It was a startling realization this game hadn't been figured out and until it did I was out. Funny thing. I had gone through some interview courses at the time. Part of the class was to watch politicians and interviews with known or suspected criminals and how to detect their deceit. I remember watching his 10 for the chairmen through those new eyes. This whale walked away. Blue On Blue posted:
Scruffpuff posted:I've said this before, but after seeing the rear end Pirate Vessel above I have to reiterate. Chris Roberts is absolutely the worst. He's so, so bad at everything he does. And his poo poo isn't "Plan 9 From Outer Space" bad, it's "childhood leukemia" bad. Scruffpuff posted:I think part of it is that starting a cult isn't always some well-thought out master plan. Certain people seem to be hard-wired to be professional followers. They're always on the lookout for someone to give their undying loyalty to in return for money, appreciation, status, safety, or some such. There seem to be a very large number of middle-class white males who just don't command any respect in real life, but feel it's something they're owed, for whatever reason. The love of Star Citizen is basically a tacit admission that not only have they failed in real life, but also that they know they'll never succeed. Look at Miku, who craves constant appreciation and attention for what he's accomplished, in the form of constant Tweets to reiterate how much disposable income he has and how he has a wife too. I imagine that's aimed at the phantoms of his past, the kids who made fun of him for years, and someday "he'd show them" not quite fully embracing that nobody gives a gently caress because everyone's got enough on their plate trying to keep their own poo poo together. Scruffpuff posted:
Virtual Captain posted:I think you're onto something here. But I don't think he's against shortcuts because he wants to delay the final release. I think what may be going on is sees Star Wars, he sees other open world games; and totally fails to understand how the ADMITTEDLY LIMITED screentime and gameplay systems work in harmony to deliver a great experience. "Wouldn't it be great if you could go visit the moon in Grand Theft Auto?" he thinks to himself, "How cool would it be if every NPC walked home at night?" Uhh what would the player even do on the moon Chris? Wouldn't stalking NPCs around get super boring after the first time? He doesn't ask himself these questions. Instead, he has another go at The Chris Roberts Theory of Everything. Colostomy Bag posted:CIG's dynamic missions in a nutshell: ==Group of players are greifwalling access to the recently added mining== Beet Wagon posted:
Wise Learned Man posted:And shitizens thought goons refunded our fleet. Scruffpuff posted:It will never stop being funny to me that we started making fun of Star Citizen's Jesus Patch years ago, and when we joked about it we'd exaggerate by setting the patch number way ahead. Even when joking back then about it, none of us went as far ahead as 3.3. A Commando posted:I can't [stream] another month like this, I just can't afford to
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Beautiful All of it
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I keep thinking 'nope, staying away from this thread, it's just gonna be SC eating it's own tail forever' but it keeps managing to find new ways to do it. Eating it's own fail.
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July Set 3BexGu posted:Some one made a flow chart of possible outcomes of Star Citizen and in all of them it turns out Goonswarm wins. G0RF posted:YOUTUBE: GamerMax throws down! Tinfoil Papercut posted:*Chris Roberts finishes swearing in and seats himself on the witness stand. The courtroom is packed with a mix of CryTek lawyers, CiG backers, Goons, and media. The jury looks on at the proceedings, fascinated with what this man might say.* trucutru posted:
AbstractNapper posted:We're laughing at a trainwreck in slow motion. We laugh at the red flags, wonder how people still support this, mock the shills for their 180 turns and their "you don't know anything about game development" and "still in pre-alpha but better than any AAA" defense. Quavers posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWWM3jWpUz0&t=2080s IcarusUpHigh posted:Theory crafting still, 6 years into the project. Holy poo poo, I can't even posted:
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Loxbourne posted:Can confirm. I have occasional periods of hankering for model trains myself, and the communities there can be exactly like the Star Citizen one in both good and bad ways. That kind of high-fidelity community is great when you need tech support or a spare part or an obscure model of vehicle that only operated for three weeks at a logging camp in Pasadena. And you'd better believe there are vicious slapfights and weird outbreaks of authoritarianism. Nicholas posted:in the time its taken star citizen to be developed i've doingitwrong posted:Star Citizen is an easy cult to leave. You just … stop. posted:Had a SC skeptic visit my house.. Scruffpuff posted:
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Re: the last scrufflepuff post, it is worth repeating that anybody who thinks "I'm really strong in X", where X is rationality, ability to spot scams etc, is typically an easy mark for those things. The people who are actually are good at these things are humble - they think "I can make mistakes/be taken in by scams - which is why it is important to know what a scam looks like, or have steps to confirm or deny the truth of statements." It's why on Glenn Beck's old show there were ads for "survival seeds" at a million percent markup
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July Set 4Dongsturm posted:These guys aren't gamers, they are grognards. Gamers want instant gratification, so they show up, devour the game like the content locusts that they are, then move on. Grognards spend hundreds of hours painting figurines for a 2-hour game that everyone agrees is actually not a lot of fun. quote:colonelwest posted:We live in the age of identity, in fact we're drowning in it. Everyone is constantly Balkanized on dozens of levels, based on superficial things from race and gender to PC vs console gaming. It creates atomized humans with the belief that identity is a zero sum struggle, there is always the ominous other out to destroy them as a bisexual black female or a straight white conservative male. It's a nebulous struggle for the expression of identity in the public sphere, producing only a vague anger and fear from which no concrete or actionable understanding of the world and power structures that govern it can ever be formed, leaving people isolated and powerless. Nyast posted:
kw0134 posted:Star Citizen is whatever it needs to be at any given moment in time. It's a AAAA pre-alpha game that has already delivered all of its promises that cannot be judged until it's fully released that has more content than any other game on the market. It's all these things at the same time. A Commando posted:The trials of Alpha The Titanic posted:This is a problem with CR and his ideas. EightAce posted:
==$4500 Backer taking CIG to small claims court lost== Beet Wagon posted:
G0RF posted:YOUTUBE: Update on the Star Citizen Backer's Lawsuit A Commando posted:I backed it and also convinced some of my friends to back it. Given the state the game is in now I don't mind so much that I threw my own money away but I also sent my friends cash to refund them, because I felt guilty about talking them into something that will probably never happen. A Commando posted:I hope it’s not a scam, but I am always amazed at people defending this game. Whenever a developer talks about about f2p or GAAS or monetization, it’s always met with a lot of negativity (often understandably). XK posted:CIG sure did win that legal case. All the news stories about them denying refunds is good for SC. Scruffpuff posted:I'm personally amazed that CIG took this stance. Most customer-oriented companies would catch it hot from their CEO if a dissatisfied customer had to go to loving court to get a refund on an undelivered product, if only for PR reasons. Scruffpuff posted:I've been following this for some time, and I don't think this is a "butthurt" type move. If Sandi were calling the shots maybe, but this has the stench of an Ortwin gambit. He knows what Chris is, and has since the beginning. Of all the people at CIG, he's the one that put all his chips on Chris loving this up like he's hosed up everything before, and he laid his plans accordingly. They can't make the game, but they're drat well going to keep the cash. TheAgent posted:it's a calculated move by people with a lot of money to lose MedicineHut posted:http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/20/9180067/star-citizen-backers-claiming-refunds-are-getting-their-money-back Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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quote:Requirements: Subtle, CIG.
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