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Dude McAwesome: Sep 30, 2004; Still better than a Ponytar

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Barnaby is tweeting about QandA

He just couldn't lay low and stay out of the public eye while on leave, the loving idiot. Dude's hosed in the head.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 13:58

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# ? May 29, 2024 06:44

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Dude McAwesome posted:

That Murdoch article from Richard Cooke is extremely pro-click if it's the one he wrote for The Monthly. Absolutely fantastic summary of the first 60 or so years of Moloch's 100 year reign.

Yeah, it is.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 14:25

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Zenithe posted:

Lauren Southern has been denied an Australian Visa.

Good.

She filled in the form incorrectly, seems to be a trend in the hot take art community.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 14:32

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Dude McAwesome posted:

Aunty has fallen so, so far. I rarely check the ABC for news any more.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 14:45

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

JBP posted:

She filled in the form incorrectly, seems to be a trend in the hot take art community.

I wonder how long it will take me to find someone blaming this on (((deep state globalists))) that secretly run the world.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 21:17

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-09/hanson-young-crowdfunding-leyonhjelm-defamation-action/9960540

quote:

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young has launched a crowdfunding campaign to help cover the legal costs in her defamation action against fellow senator David Leyonhjelm.

I guess a parliamentary salary just isn't enough to get by

https://www.gofundme.com/SarahHansonYoung-LegalFund
$25,140 of $1 goal
Raised by 787 people in 2 days

https://www.gofundme.com/fight-the-greens
$9,855 of $100,000 goal
Raised by 209 people in 3 days

This is a little bit silly

# ? Jul 9, 2018 21:39

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-10/mark-latham-considers-return-to-politics-unsure-with-which-party/9961924

He should start a new party for incels.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 21:52

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1016319277526237185

# ? Jul 9, 2018 22:02

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

CrazyTolradi posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-10/mark-latham-considers-return-to-politics-unsure-with-which-party/9961924

He should start a new party for incels.

No, he should definitely join ON. Pauline would love to share the limelight. There is no way that would end disastrously.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 22:10

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Zenithe posted:

I wonder how long it will take me to find someone blaming this on (((deep state globalists))) that secretly run the world.

Hey if it's good enough for yassmin.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 22:57

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Jonah Galtberg posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-09/why-we-should-be-slow-to-point-the-finger-at-bankers/9949742

Lol social psychology

Maybe they can have a study which replicates one day

# ? Jul 9, 2018 23:07

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Also my actual problem with the pop psychology article is that it�s intellectually dishonest, rather than social psychology.txt

# ? Jul 9, 2018 23:17

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Angry viewers have led a boycott of Seven's Sunday Night around the hashtag #NotMyAustralia, over a segment about African gangs "wreaking havoc" in Victoria.

The Sunday Night story was described as "racist propaganda" by online commenters, with some even shaming corporate advertisers who aired commercials during the segment.

The episode focused on Elaine French, an accountant at a Melbourne jewellery store who claimed she'd been left traumatised after being robbed twice by "armed African criminals".

"Barely a week goes by when they're not in the news. African gangs running riot, terrorising, robbing, wreaking havoc," went presenter Alex Cullen's fiery opening, blaming "political correctness" for police reluctance to "admit there's a problem".

The episode, which saw French calling on her attackers to "be deported to where they came from", ended on an attempt at harmony, with French sitting face to face with Torit Chol Bol, a rapper and reformed convict who recounted the racism he faced in Australia after arriving as a refugee from war-torn South Sudan.
Anger at the segment first erupted over a promo Seven shared ahead of Sunday's broadcast, which featured the words "African Gangs" over cobbled footage of armed robberies and street riots.
"Their crimes are sending chills across Australia, leaving lives devastated," a forceful voiceover said in the promo.
The clip sparked an immediate backlash online, with Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane among those criticising Seven.
"The promotion of this smacks of fear-mongering and racial hysteria," he wrote in a Twitter post. "Disappointing to see this kind of approach – it's a recipe for division and racial profiling."

South Sudanese-Australian lawyer Maker Mayek, who led the boycott of the episode, thanked online followers on Sunday for helping #NotMyAustralia trend on Twitter.

"It proves this country is way better than this hatred we see more often in the media," he wrote in a post.

When Fairfax Media reached out to Seven for comment, the network stated it was happy with how the show came across. "Sunday Night stands by every element of the story published in last night's program," the statement read.

The episode drew 555,000 viewers across the five major cities to finish ninth amid Sunday's ratings, behind its timeslot rivals Nine's 60 Minutes (618,000) and ABC's Jack Irish (723,000), but more or less in line with its numbers in recent weeks.

Seven's Sunday Night is no stranger to negative attention.

In May, the current affairs show was criticised for paying a reported $150,000 to Barnaby Joyce and Vikki Campion for an exclusive interview. It has also faced claims of rehashing stories previously aired on Nine's 60 Minutes.

# ? Jul 9, 2018 23:29

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

We seriously need some pushback against this "African Gangs" poo poo. Normal non propagandized people are starting to spout it off because it's being thrown at them so often.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 00:12

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

hooman posted:

We seriously need some pushback against this "African Gangs" poo poo. Normal non propagandized people are starting to spout it off because it's being thrown at them so often.

Amidst all the "woe is Aunty" posting here Media Watch is still great, and called out Seven last time this came around for using footage from other countries they've scraped from YouTube. I missed it last night but I'm sure they'll be looking at that episode as well.

Haven't seen the show, and never will, but the ad during the footy was utterly shameless. Showing a gormless cop not answering (because they didn't show his answers) gotcha questions interspersed with grainy footage of Africans causing trouble which could've come from anywhere.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 00:38

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

"I was bitterly disappointed they didn't kill each other."

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/richo-vs-latham-stink/

# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:25

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Aunty ABC posted:

Young people are deserting private hospital insurance by the thousands — and their decisions will have ramifications for all of us.
The decision to take out private hospital cover is a complex one but as costs rise Australians, and in particular young people, are coming down on the side of opting out.
Almost 37,000 fewer people have private hospital cover than a year ago.
In contrast, the proportion of the population with extras-only cover, for things like physiotherapy and dental work, is rising.
But it is hospital visits that have the greatest financial impact — on government hospital expenditure, on insurance industry pay-outs and on personal health expenses.
On a population basis, an ABC News analysis shows it is young people who are rejecting private health insurance at the highest rate, suggesting that current policy settings designed to attract them into the private system are no longer working.
Hospital insurance coverage reached its high point in 2014, when 47.3 per cent of the population was covered, according to APRA data. That has now fallen to 45.5 per cent, the lowest proportion since 2010.
The proportion of people with hospital insurance fell in all age groups under 70 in the year to December 2017.
The biggest falls were in the Generation Z age group (20 to 29 year olds) and millennials aged 30 to 39.
Together, there are now 49,000 fewer people in these age groups who have hospital insurance than there were a year ago.

Private system needs the young and healthy

Geoff Summerhayes, an executive board member of the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority, has suggested the proportion of the population covered by private health insurance is likely to fall further and less young people insured will push up premiums.

"The prospect of a shrinking, ageing and less healthy population of health insurance policyholders raises questions for APRA about the industry's long-term sustainability."

It is not hard to see why — with medium singles hospital insurance costing $1,711 on average, young people typically pay more in premiums than they claim.
The maximum age you can be a dependant on your parent's insurance policy is 25, so the falling coverage for millennials points to this group not signing up to hospital insurance when they come off their parents' cover.

Incentives are losing their impact

So what about encouraging millennials to have hospital cover?
A Medicare Levy Surcharge of 1 per cent of taxable income on high income taxpayers who don't have private hospital cover kicks in at $90,000 for singles.
But few people between the age of 30 and 39 earn that much — the latest Census data showed that 80 per cent earn less than $90,000.
The Government's other incentive, the Lifetime Health Cover loading, is designed to get young people to buy hospital insurance.
Anyone who does not have hospital cover on the July 1 immediately after their 31st birthday pays an extra 2 per cent for insurance for every year over age 30, if and when they sign up for insurance, capped at 70 per cent.
The penalty disappears after paying insurance for 10 years.
The chart below shows the cumulative effect of delaying insurance for a single person who turned 31 before July 1 this year.
Delaying by 10 years saves $14,510.
Effect of delaying taking up hospital insurance
Dr Duckett says although the savings are large, most people who opt out wouldn't put the money in the bank.
"It's about current income versus future costs. I think for that reason, many people aren't able to make those trade-offs," he said.

Would a discount work?

The most recent measure is a discountof up to 10 per cent that insurers will be able to offer to under 30s from April 1 next year.
Insurers will be able to offer them discounts up to 2 per cent a year up to a maximum of 10 per cent, phased out by age 41.
Stephen Duckett, health program director at the Grattan Institute, wrote in The Conversation that 25-year-olds with insurance will certainly benefit from the discount, but few Australians were in this category.
"And whether a 10 per cent discount is enough to increase health insurance uptake by young people, many of whom are in precarious employment arrangements or unemployed, is a question for the marketeers."

Not 'running for cover'

When the Lifetime Health Cover Loading was introduced in 2000, the government-subsidised advertising campaign encouraged people to "Run for cover".
It had an immediate effect — the proportion of people with hospital insurance leapt from 31 per cent to 45 per cent in a year.
Lesley Russell, adjunct Associate Professor at the Menzies Centre for Health Policy at the University of Sydney, says the "Run for cover" campaign drove people to private health insurance but their decision was not necessarily based on economic reasoning.

"It's an enticement that's not evidence-based to persuade people to buy a product that they don't really want and perhaps don't even really need."

The fall in the number of insured millennials suggests that turning 31 is no longer the incentive it once was. Or it might simply be that escalating insurance premiums have overtaken concerns about paying more later in life.
Professor Russell calls this group the "young invincibles" — they're out of university, starting jobs, unmarried and more interested in getting on the property ladder.
She says they may no longer be prioritising health cover.
"It may be that they are smart enough to know that the financial numbers might mean they are actually better off self-insuring," she says.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:32

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Cartoon posted:

"I was bitterly disappointed they didn't kill each other."

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/07/richo-vs-latham-stink/

This owns, when old mate on the camera phone turned up the volume I laughed out loud.

e: gently caress Pauline pops up on the TV in the background, this is a masterclass in pub drama.

JBP fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jul 10, 2018

# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:44

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

Maybe it's because it's a complete waste of money.

We had it and iajwife broke her wrist badly being surgery. We went in as a private patient and she got surgery and a few nights in hospital. At the end we still had a bill for several thousand dollars.

We asked the hospital and if we'd said we were public it would have been the exact same treatment but free. Strangely we decided that spending thousands a year on cover that still left us paying unnecessary thousands later on was a bit of a stupid decision.

When we had iaJunior we went in the private system paying out of pocket. Our friends who went through the same exact process got a few hundred back on insurance but still paid a few thousand all up.

Complete scam.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:49

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Millennials Aren't buying Private Health Insurance: That's A Problem For Baby Boomers

# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:49

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

iajanus posted:

Maybe it's because it's a complete waste of money.

We had it and iajwife broke her wrist badly being surgery. We went in as a private patient and she got surgery and a few nights in hospital. At the end we still had a bill for several thousand dollars.

We asked the hospital and if we'd said we were public it would have been the exact same treatment but free. Strangely we decided that spending thousands a year on cover that still left us paying unnecessary thousands later on was a bit of a stupid decision.

When we had iaJunior we went in the private system paying out of pocket. Our friends who went through the same exact process got a few hundred back on insurance but still paid a few thousand all up.

Complete scam.

My mate had a blood clot that could have killed him. He was asked if he wanted to go in public or private on admission, in return he asked "what's the difference" and was told it will "save the hospital some money". So he obviously said public.

The following day a hospital administrator came down to bully him into switching to private lmao.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:52

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

JBP posted:

My mate had a blood clot that could have killed him. He was asked if he wanted to go in public or private on admission, in return he asked "what's the difference" and was told it will "save the hospital some money". So he obviously said public.

The following day a hospital administrator came down to bully him into switching to private lmao.

I can't imagine how big a "gently caress off" I would give that person.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:00

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

iajanus posted:

I can't imagine how big a "gently caress off" I would give that person.

The administrator did not have a fun time trying to convince an angry brick shithouse from Ocean Grove to spend money.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:01

put both hands in: Nov 28, 2007; FYFE

I canceled my private health recently. I had it for close to 5 years and didn't use it once. They keep increasing the premiums so gently caress em. The only benefit I see for it is bypassing the waiting lists if you need elective surgery. As I'm young(ish) and healthy that's not a concern.

I broke my foot a few years ago. I went through public as it was free (apart from like $30 for crutches). If I claimed it on private I would have had to spend a heap of money

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:06

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

drat, I knew I was being scammed when I signed up. Report private health industry to the ACCC.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:10

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

it would seem that private health insurance is an industry entirely propped up by the government, and if it weren't for government intervention, likely wouldn't survive

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:11

Intoluene: Jul 6, 2011; Activating self-destruct sequence!; Fun Shoe

There's pretty much no benefit to going private in a public hospital. Hospital gets a bit more cash and you can choose your specialist but that's it. Private insurance is more about elective surgeries.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:12

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Intoluene posted:

There's pretty much no benefit to going private in a public hospital. Hospital gets a bit more cash and you can choose your specialist but that's it. Private insurance is more about elective surgeries.

tbh you're better off paying what you would be paying in premiums into a bank account. I've worked out that in order to get a surgery I need on private, I'll have to pay for top tier insurance for a year to wait out the waiting period (about 4-5k) and then also be subject to a bunch of out of pocket expenses anyway or dig into my super to afford it.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:20

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Recoome posted:

it would seem that private health insurance is an industry entirely propped up by the government, and if it weren't for government intervention, likely wouldn't survive

A bit like most private schools. Makes ya think

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:24

simmyb: Sep 29, 2005

3 years ago when my premiums were ~$90/mo I worked out that if I got my teeth check/cleaned twice a year and used all the optical, the claims were only about $100 short of premiums, so it was almost worth it.

Although it was an insurance company dental clinic so wouldn't be surprised if the list prices were inflated.

I've been away for a while now, do I get stung with some bullshit levy if I don't get private insurance again now I'm over 30?

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:29

Big Willy Style: Feb 11, 2007; How many Astartes do you know that roll like this?

Only if you're on 90k a year. And I think you had to be 31 by July for it to apply.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:32

trunkh: Jan 31, 2011

The Before Times posted:

tbh you're better off paying what you would be paying in premiums into a bank account. I've worked out that in order to get a surgery I need on private, I'll have to pay for top tier insurance for a year to wait out the waiting period (about 4-5k) and then also be subject to a bunch of out of pocket expenses anyway or dig into my super to afford it.

^ This

Aunty even ran an article that lets you confirm it recently.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-09/private-health-insurance-do-i-need-it/9633430

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:35

Ten Becquerels: Apr 17, 2012; My Little Tony: Leadership is Magic

Anidav posted:

Or it might simply be that escalating insurance premiums have overtaken concerns about paying more later in life.

Hmmm people whose wages are failing to rise to keep pace with escalating costs of living are unable to buy private health cover :thunk:

Nah they must just think they're invincible

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:39

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Make sure you buy ambulance cover for $100 a year or whatever tho, that's where they get you eventually.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:40

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

JBP posted:

Make sure you buy ambulance cover for $100 a year or whatever tho, that's where they get you eventually.

Or move to Queensland where it's free

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:43

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants_oz/status/1016426872358359040

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:45

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

iajanus posted:

Or move to Queensland where it's free

It's not free; you just pay for it through your power bill.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:50

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants_oz/status/1016426872358359040

lol the free market almost worked.

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:51

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

The Before Times posted:

It's not free; you just pay for it through your power bill.

Ok, effectively free.

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# ? May 29, 2024 06:44

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

iajanus posted:

Or move to Queensland where it's free

gross

# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:52

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