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Lurdiak posted:Evil Sabertooth was always written so inconsistently anyway. In one story he'd be a heartless merc who'll do anything for money, in another he'll be a wild animal obsessed with revenge, and in yet another he's basically just Carnage. All they could agree on is that he's a dick. I remember on Jay and Miles explain the X-Men that around the time of the Mutant Massacre Sinister had a bunch of clones of the marauders so maybe the inconsistent Sabretooth were clones. They weren't but they could have been
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Madkal posted:I remember on Jay and Miles explain the X-Men that around the time of the Mutant Massacre Sinister had a bunch of clones of the marauders so maybe the inconsistent Sabretooth were clones. They weren't but they could have been Although to muddy that, I seem to recall that Sabertooth was his one Marauder Sinister didn't clone. (And I guess Malice too, who I don't think had a physical form.)
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Jul 10, 2018 01:48
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I may be mis remembering but the Birdy story was after he got spiked through his brain and was kind a mindless doof for a while there. Once his memories came back he went full on murder murder murder again.
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Rhyno posted:I may be mis remembering but the Birdy story was after he got spiked through his brain and was kind a mindless doof for a while there. Once his memories came back he went full on murder murder murder again. Yeah. Although don't forget the X-Men trying to tame him for a while (complete with, like, Boom-Boom bringing him milk in his cage) until he went 'psych!' and carved up Psylocke. (Again.) Which gave us that Crimson Dawn stuff, if I remember right.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah. Although don't forget the X-Men trying to tame him for a while (complete with, like, Boom-Boom bringing him milk in his cage) until he went 'psych!' and carved up Psylocke. (Again.) Which gave us that Crimson Dawn stuff, if I remember right. Yeah that tracks with what I recall. I think he actually was a blank state/feral for a while.
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Jul 10, 2018 02:49
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Sabretooth was killed repeatedly in the late Claremont era of X-Men and was definitely cloned by Sinister. Birdy first shows up in the brief Lee-without-Claremont run of X-Men where they sort of revamp Sabretooth in a slick merc with a girlfriend or whatever. The whole "Birdy gives him The Glow to keep him from being a psychopath" bit was introduced I think in post-Lee Lobdell era X-Men, and she's killed in the 1994 Sabretooth mini-series. All of this is before the big fight immediately before Age of Apocalypse, where Wolverine lobotimizes him with his claw. Then during Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth basically plays the Wolverine role as "noble warrior fighting to contain his berserker rage" and I think a series of X-Men trading cards spoil that Sabretooth will reform after counselling from Xavier to join the X-Men. *Then* you get the whole "ha ha he's faking it and he's super evil" reveal. But they still make him reluctantly team up with the X-Men in the Phalanx Covenant. Then he's forced to join X-Factor with a bomb collar, Suicide Squad style. And I think after that they gave up on trying to make him part of an X-Team for a decade or two. There was also a stint pre-Onslaught where I swear that the X-Men had anywhere between 3 and 5 people in their basement in comas at any given time, they could have formed a team out of them.
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Jul 10, 2018 02:55
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I think during that run where Bachalo was doing art on some X-men book (really specific, I know) and something was going on with Changelings, he was briefly teamed up with the X-men again, so that happened. I think that culminated with him turning on them when Cable's Island Retreat exploded and ruined Cable and Deadpool.
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Jul 10, 2018 02:59
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Lurdiak posted:I think during that run where Bachalo was doing art on some X-men book (really specific, I know) and something was going on with Changelings, he was briefly teamed up with the X-men again, so that happened. I think that culminated with him turning on them when Cable's Island Retreat exploded and ruined Cable and Deadpool. That was Mike Carey's run where Iceman hooks up with Mystique briefly before she betrays everyone, because of course she does, it's loving Mystique. She can look like anything she wants and her favorite outfit has a belt that's tiny skulls on it.
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Jul 10, 2018 03:13
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Whenever I try to remember X-men storylines I just get a lancing pain in my brain stem so I'll have to take your word for it. I remember Rogue wearing a ridiculous trenchcoat... and... something about space.
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Jul 10, 2018 03:35
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Lurdiak posted:Whenever I try to remember X-men storylines I just get a lancing pain in my brain stem so I'll have to take your word for it. Mike Carey's run was good, the space stuff was Brubaker which wasn't up to what I'd expect from Brubaker but ties into the post Annihilation cosmic stuff (War of Kings specifically) so kinda worth reading if you're into that.
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site posted:Talking about good and bad sabertooth reminded me of this recent thread and it had me pretty I'd never heard of the first story. Which one was it? Claire Temple, Harmony Young, or someone else? Presumably not Jessica Jones. edit: NM, it was Harmony. Which is kind of a sucky thing to do to basically a comedy character, but hey, comics! Selachian fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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Edge & Christian posted:There was also a stint pre-Onslaught where I swear that the X-Men had anywhere between 3 and 5 people in their basement in comas at any given time, they could have formed a team out of them. Oh, right. They kept Emma Frost down there too, and she bodyjacked Bobby for an issue. It was yet another 'man you don't know how powerful you are Bobby' issue. I forget why she was comatose. She also woke up in time to start Generation X happily(?).
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Tony went through the Siege Perilous off-panel, that's why he's no longer inverted.
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Dawgstar posted:Oh, right. They kept Emma Frost down there too, and she bodyjacked Bobby for an issue. It was yet another 'man you don't know how powerful you are Bobby' issue. I forget why she was comatose. She also woke up in time to start Generation X happily(?). Fritzgerald whats his face the Bishop badguy masscered all the Hellions infront of her, then a dying Jean Grey mindjacked her which either left her in a coma. Jean Grey got better, Emma didn't for a year or two
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Fritzgerald whats his face the Bishop badguy masscered all the Hellions infront of her, then a dying Jean Grey mindjacked her which either left her in a coma. Jean Grey got better, Emma didn't for a year or two Oh, right! Trevor Fitzroy! I haven't thought about him in ages because literally no one has, but that would have bothered me not knowing otherwise, so thnaks.
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Jul 10, 2018 16:16
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Are there any characters that have had numerous origin retcons?
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Jul 10, 2018 16:49
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Donna Troy and Power Girl, right? That's just off the top of my head.
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Halloween Jack posted:Donna Troy and Power Girl, right? That's just off the top of my head. I was thinking of Donna Troy when I wrote the question, I just read up on her and sweet Christmas that's a mess. What about Power Girl?
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bessantj posted:I was thinking of Donna Troy when I wrote the question, I just read up on her and sweet Christmas that's a mess. What about Power Girl? PG's not quite as bad as Donna, but she's been retconned a couple of times, going from being Earth-Two's version of Supergirl to a magical descendant of Arion of Atlantis and back. Also, no discussion of messy origins is complete without Hawkman and Hawkgirl/woman. They're reincarnations of ancient Egyptians! They're alien space cops (who have either been on Earth a while, or have just arrived)! They're both, somehow! Selachian fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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bessantj posted:Are there any characters that have had numerous origin retcons? Legion Of superhero’s
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I've been reading All-New Wolverine, and Angel appears to have wings that are made of metal and fire now? When/How did that happen?
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Jul 10, 2018 17:28
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I used to read X-comics a lot. I picked up one recently and it heartens me to know that like 10+ years of not keeping up hasn't made me appreciably more confused than I was when I had subs.
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Patrick Spens posted:I've been reading All-New Wolverine, and Angel appears to have wings that are made of metal and fire now? When/How did that happen? The Black Vortex crossover with Guardians of the Galaxy back in 2015.
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X-O posted:The Black Vortex crossover with Guardians of the Galaxy back in 2015. It might be the only thing that anybody remembers from it.
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bessantj posted:Are there any characters that have had numerous origin retcons? The Joker.
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Does the Riddler still have an origin where he cheated to find the answer to a riddle? That always seemed off.
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bessantj posted:Are there any characters that have had numerous origin retcons? Wolverine.
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Dawgstar posted:It might be the only thing that anybody remembers from it. I remember it pissing me off since it was the final issue of the Cyclops series I had been enjoying up until then. Also there's currently two Angels: young Angel who was taken forward in time and got laser wings, and old (Arch)Angel who can transform between regular wings Angel and metal wings Archangel, and had his evil genes suppressed.
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Endless Mike posted:I remember it pissing me off since it was the final issue of the Cyclops series I had been enjoying up until then. That's two too many
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Jul 10, 2018 19:04
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If you're doing power girl you gotta do huntress as well. Swamp thing. Black canary. Star Lord kinda
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ecavalli posted:Wolverine. Didn't know he'd been retconned a bunch of times.
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bessantj posted:Didn't know he'd been retconned a bunch of times. His real name was Logan, and then it was Howlett, I never read the series where that happened, but I think it also contradicted a bunch of other previously known facts.
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Batman and Superman's origin stories have never changed have they? I mean in main continuity.
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Jul 10, 2018 20:07
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bessantj posted:Batman and Superman's origin stories have never changed have they? I mean in main continuity. Superman's has in the details quite a bit, though it remains similar in broad strokes.
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Ma and Pa Kent are themselves retcons. The original Superman grew up in an orphanage.
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So him being the last survivor of an exploding krypton (except for perhaps his cousin, a dog, a horse, a monkey and several other Kryptonians) has stayed true? How did they Bring Supergirl back after Crisis on Infinite Earths (was that the right one?)
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Supergirl was changed to be from a planet near krypton I think? One that was under the same sun so she'd get the same powers from yellow sunlight. And then she was a goo angel for a while I think.
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bessantj posted:So him being the last survivor of an exploding krypton (except for perhaps his cousin, a dog, a horse, a monkey and several other Kryptonians) has stayed true? How did they Bring Supergirl back after Crisis on Infinite Earths (was that the right one?) Shapeshifter from a paralel dimension
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purple death ray posted:Supergirl was changed to be from a planet near krypton I think? One that was under the same sun so she'd get the same powers from yellow sunlight. And then she was a goo angel for a while I think. Goo Angel? OK sounds like a porn site. Is she still lie this or did Rebirth bring her back?
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bessantj posted:Goo Angel? OK sounds like a porn site. Is she still lie this or did Rebirth bring her back? In the second arc of Jeph Loeb's Batman/Superman book another Supergirl appears that's her cousin from Krypton's sister planet, similar origin to the Supergirl in the DCAU cartoon. I think the post New 52 Supergirl has a similar origin too.
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