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Shugojin posted:Mesa rectifier allowed to be maximum flubby This but with a wah wah.
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Wark Say posted:So, I have a question for you, Goons: What would you consider is the ultimate "Butt Rock" Guitar tone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fMKPsERsA "Now, um, I got the pitch a little wrong and the tone a little wrong but that's basically what he does!  "
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Jason Sextro posted:The ADA MP-1 preamp, or anything made with that. The stock MP-1 is about as 80's butt rock as it gets. source: Owned one for over a decade.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Not guitar tone, but thanks i hate it
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Wark Say posted:So, I have a question for you, Goons: What would you consider is the ultimate "Butt Rock" Guitar tone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0d_1U_GgE
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You're all terrible loving people, and I couldn't love you more if they paid me. 
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Does anyone know an antidote for excessive tone chasing/GAS? I ask here because this seems like a place where the superstition and quackery surrounding *tone magic,* and the excesses of unskilled suburban dorks with ludicrously expensive gear are rightly mocked. I'm able to get tones in the neighborhood of what I would consider ideal, enough so that any changes for the better would necessarily be pretty subtle. Intellectually I know this. I know that more time spent practicing and learning does far more for how good I sound than any piece of gear possibly could. But man, I have to fight it all the time. It's not that I'm constantly buying stuff or blowing tons of money, I'm really not. it's more that I carry around this really stupid anxiety about what if that perfect tone really is attainable and I've just got the wrong gear? What if my tone would be tighter with more defined attack if I had a maple fretboard instead of rosewood? What if my amp is too boomy and I need a different one? What if I really need a j-bass to help me cut through more or a stingray to give me more tight punch? What if my stock pickup is inferior and I need to replace it? If I don't try every compressor on earth, how will I know if I'm living my best bass life? And so on and so forth. This is made worse because I'm very bad at sensing how something is going to sound at full rehearsal/performance volume in a band mix based on how it sounds on its own at a reasonable level. So even though I can go try out some of these things at a store, it's not all that informative when I do.
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i'm a bass player and no one cares about how the bass sounds
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Thermos H Christ posted:Does anyone know an antidote for excessive tone chasing/GAS? I ask here because this seems like a place where the superstition and quackery surrounding *tone magic,* and the excesses of unskilled suburban dorks with ludicrously expensive gear are rightly mocked. You can’t escape it. Let it run through your mind and body until you die.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Does anyone know an antidote for excessive tone chasing/GAS? I ask here because this seems like a place where the superstition and quackery surrounding *tone magic,* and the excesses of unskilled suburban dorks with ludicrously expensive gear are rightly mocked. If you can't quantify "boomy," "punchy" or "tighter," you're not going to be able to fix it with dollars.
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Wark Say posted:So, I have a question for you, Goons: What would you consider is the ultimate "Butt Rock" Guitar tone? Fender Frontman 15G with the drive on and the gain control turned up to 10
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Thermos H Christ posted:
No one does. Its all super dependant on volume, genre and the gear the other band members are using. Stuff that sounds great at bedroom often sounds like complete poo poo live and vice versa. Its worth considering that there is no such thing as 'good tone' in a vacuum. There are times when a 'poo poo tone' might be exactly what the song calls for, in my experience you know you've found the right tone when you play that particular part of the song and your gut goes "yes, that is exactly what that particular part needed". I spent a while time playing in a noise rocky art punk band with a barking, midrangey plexi type tone because thats what "good tone" typically means to guitar nerds. When I switched to a buzzy metal pedal style tone the band sounded way more like that kind of music "should" sound though. Gear and tone matters, but what you're trying to capture with it in the big picture of making music is 'feel' or 'attitude' or 'mood' and the tone is just an aspect of that. Thats something that needs to be discovered situationally and from the gut. I say, buy whatever stupid piece of crap you wanna buy, write some music with it, sell it. Keep doing that as long as you're not too poor. as long as youre actually making music with it who gives a poo poo what your method is. just dont try to plan it out too much. massive spider fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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Thermos H Christ posted:Does anyone know an antidote for excessive tone chasing/GAS? being poor
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Jul 10, 2018 20:59
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Find a band of blues lawyers and make yourself sit through the whole gig
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Thermos H Christ posted:Does anyone know an antidote for excessive tone chasing/GAS? I say this with 100% sincerity: get an Axe-Fx. I bought an Axe-Fx Ultra in 2009, then sold it in 2012 to get an Axe-Fx II, which I then sold early this year to get an Axe-Fx III. They're expensive as poo poo up front but getting an Axe-Fx was easily the best gear decision I’ve ever made. I can literally dial in every single tone I’ve ever had even the most passing interest in, and I’m 100% satisfied. I’ve have had virtually zero GAS for the last 10 years or so, other than wanting to upgrade my Axe-Fx when a new one comes out. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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Learning about amp circuits and pedal circuits has mostly cured me of that because now I have a much better handle on what is true and what is marketing bullshit. On the other hand, you realize how great certain other things are and become fixated on them. 
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Learning about amp circuits and pedal circuits has mostly cured me of that because now I have a much better handle on what is true and what is marketing bullshit. On the other hand, you realize how great certain other things are and become fixated on them. I wish I didn’t give up on the boost I was making. I just find it incredibly tedious and difficult to learn pedal making. There aren’t enough well written guides in existence
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CheesyDog posted:Find a band of blues lawyers and make yourself sit through the whole gig
 That show also made me give up on buying any other PRS guitar unless it's either used or another of the Korean SE's. If you can sound like dogshit with a rig that's like flirting with the 50k budget, you need to analyze your life choices.
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Isn't the AC/DC sound literally just "plug a Gibson into a Plexi and turn it all the way up"? How do you gently caress that up?
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Anime Reference posted:Isn't the AC/DC sound literally just "plug a Gibson into a Plexi and turn it all the way up"? How do you gently caress that up? Not to defend a bunch of blues lawyers, but if you plugged a Gibson into a Plexi and turned it up loud enough to get the AC/DC sound, you'd probably take the paint off the venue's walls and kill half the audience.
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GreatGreen posted:Not to defend a bunch of blues lawyers, but if you plugged a Gibson into a Plexi and turned it up loud enough to get the AC/DC sound, you'd probably take the paint off the venue's walls and kill half the audience. Fair enough, but Plexi sound at non-lethal volume seems like a pretty solved problem in TYOOL 2018.
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The antidote is shut up and playGreatGreen posted:I say this with 100% sincerity: get an Axe-Fx. This might save him/her money in the long run but it's just going to increase the hours spent tweaking stuff tenfold
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Concatenation posted:This might save him/her money in the long run but it's just going to increase the hours spent tweaking stuff tenfold It easily can, yeah. But it doesn't have to. An Axe-Fx is meant to be approached sort of like an encyclopedia. You kind of need to know what you want before you start or else you can sit down for days before you look up again, never having come up with anything useful. The closer you are to knowing what you want to do though, the less time you'll need to spend tweaking. Either way though, if I had to waste some time with guitar and not playing, I'd rather spend it turning knobs and learning what happens than just sort of vaguely wondering about what mysterious and elusive piece of gear I might get next that will totally change my sound for real this time. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jul 10, 2018 |
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I’m glad I find 99% of modeling amp stuff to be painfully boring because the option paralysis would literally ruin my life.
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Wark Say posted:If you can sound like dogshit with a rig that's like flirting with the 50k budget, you need to analyze your life choices. that would basically kill the entire musical instrument industry at this point
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also still worth chuckling mildly at how comparatively cheap it is to get into guitar vs just about any other instrument a ten top prs runs like what 10-11 grand and that's rightly considered ludicrous and obscene for a production instrument whereas that's basically a down payment on a professional orchestra instrument
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Wark Say posted:So, I have a question for you, Goons: What would you consider is the ultimate "Butt Rock" Guitar tone? I’m not sure but it definitely involves a stock Boss ds-1. Probably into a dual rectifier.
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Kilometers Davis posted:I wish I didn’t give up on the boost I was making. I just find it incredibly tedious and difficult to learn pedal making. There aren’t enough well written guides in existence The Wampler guide to modding pedals is a great intro (if you can mod a pedal you can make a kit) and is available for free from the DIY facebook group.
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Step 1 to modding pedals: learning how to solder. Step 2: learning how to unsolder because you hosed up. Step 3: learning how amazon returns work.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:The Wampler guide to modding pedals is a great intro (if you can mod a pedal you can make a kit) and is available for free from the DIY facebook group. I think he’s re releasing that too with updates. It does seem like a good start. I might track down the free one.
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Kilometers Davis posted:I’m glad I find 99% of modeling amp stuff to be painfully boring because the option paralysis would literally ruin my life. Yeah, when I first got the thing, every minute of my free time was basically a pattern of playing two or three chords and a few extra notes after that, twist a couple knobs, repeat. This went on for weeks. It eventually got better, but if any of you guys do decide to get one of the major modelers, just be prepared to set aside some serious time to get used to having basically infinite options.
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GreatGreen posted:Either way though, if I had to waste some time with guitar and not playing, I'd rather spend it turning knobs and learning what happens than just sort of vaguely wondering about what mysterious and elusive piece of gear I might get next that will totally change my sound for real this time. Oh, I tweak knobs plenty hunting for the perfect combination of eq and pedal settings. But that's the whole thing, I don't even want to totally change my sound, I just want to enhance and perfect the sound I'm already getting. If it was cooking instead of music, it'd be like if I wanted to make fettucini alfredo and I've made some and I'm enjoying it. It's good, and I'm certainly not tempted to throw the whole thing out and try to make spaghetti with marinara instead. But I let myself get weirdly fixated on how maybe my fettucini would be even better if the sauce was just a little bit thicker and I used a parmesan that was just a little bit sharper and there was a just hint of basil, and some fresh cracked pepper... What I have is totally good, hitting the spot even, but what if it could be tweaked ever so slightly here and there to become exquisite, you know? And oh poo poo now I've put my money and my time into making this merely good fettucini, what if I could have been eating the fettucini of my dreams at this very moment but I failed to buy all of the exact right ingredients and now I'm missing out? So I read a bunch of people's opinions online about what really puts fettucini over the top and I end up wondering if maybe I really do need to just shell out for a little bottle of expensive truffle oil and that's going to make it all come together for me. Oh, and also an axe-fx costs more than all my current gear put together. So that's kind of like buying an industrial stove and a bunch of expensive chef's knives when really I'm just trying to figure out how to tweak my fettucini recipe to get it just so. Thermos H Christ fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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Anime Reference posted:Isn't the AC/DC sound literally just "plug a Gibson into a Plexi and turn it all the way up"? How do you gently caress that up? I think nowadays Angus and Stevie (covering for Malcolm) are a bit more "traditional", but otherwise, the AC/DC sound is literally this:   And when we rehearsed, it worked fine. Even through the earplugs or in the control room, everything sounded fairly rad. I honestly don't know how they hosed it up. I should've just rented them those two heads and be done with it. GreatGreen posted:Not to defend a bunch of blues lawyers, but if you plugged a Gibson into a Plexi and turned it up loud enough to get the AC/DC sound, you'd probably take the paint off the venue's walls and kill half the audience. Concatenation posted:The antidote is shut up and play  I do most of my practicing on a Yamaha THR10x and that gives me plenty of idea juices flowing.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Does anyone know an antidote for excessive tone chasing/GAS? I ask here because this seems like a place where the superstition and quackery surrounding *tone magic,* and the excesses of unskilled suburban dorks with ludicrously expensive gear are rightly mocked. Start a noisecore band.
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ITS A GRETSCH YOU CLOWNS, MALCOLM PLAYED ALL THE GOOD RIFFS ANGUS JUST WENT WIDDLY WIDDLY FFS
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GreatGreen posted:Yeah, when I first got the thing, every minute of my free time was basically a pattern of playing two or three chords and a few extra notes after that, twist a couple knobs, repeat. This went on for weeks. I was really close to buying one on a few occasions. Then I realized how much I love being limited by my gear and having a variety of different pedals and whatnot while still being boxed in.
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Thermos, I'm gonna give you one piece of advice that Jack Endino gave me (and that I've heard from at least two other producers/engineers): Whatever piece of gear you have? gently caress with it. Now, by "gently caress with it", I don't mean damage it. You don't like how it currently sounds? Search for a sound you might like from what you have. Let those limits force you to get creative. I've seen it hundreds, if not thousands, of times. Hell, it has happened to me: Sometimes when pushed to a corner, a musician finds stuff that works, even with "subpar" gear. Not the best example, but one time, the footswitch for my old Mark IV took a poo poo and died literally in the middle of a song. Thank goodness my oldest, bestest friend and guitar tech/traveling mad scientist took it out of the equation and set me up with a sound to finish the song in like less than 10 seconds. Afterwards, we took a short break before the next song and he set my sound up so that I had to control the gain/volume via my guitar's volume control, so no bullshit security net of switching to the "clean" channel. Afterwards, I started to try and wean myself off from the Volume/Expression pedal and footswitches for live situations. To this day, I still try to never use more than 4 or 5 pedals, if possible. Hell, that's why with two out of my 3 regular bands, I normally just use my POD HD for guitar. With just two or three patches per band. Chrpno posted:ITS A GRETSCH YOU CLOWNS, MALCOLM PLAYED ALL THE GOOD RIFFS ANGUS JUST WENT WIDDLY WIDDLY FFS 
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Haha so TC released a Satchel from Steel Panther toneprint called the pussy melter and there was a big twitter meltdown until it was removed I mean, I’m a huge loving leftist and HATE the misogyny throughout the music industry but come onnnn. It’s Steel Panther. It’s the most harmless thing in the universe and people are acting like it’s the most evil thing ever created. There are a million real tangible problematic things to tackle right now but I guess we’re gonna get angry at a joke band embracing their meme. Also lol that it’s reported as a “pedal” and not a named downloading setting. Kilometers Davis fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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Thermos H Christ posted:Oh, I tweak knobs plenty hunting for the perfect combination of eq and pedal settings. But that's the whole thing, I don't even want to totally change my sound, I just want to enhance and perfect the sound I'm already getting. I see what you mean. The neat thing about digital stuff though is that you really don't ever have to wonder about the unknown anymore even if it comes up. If you do find yourself wondering what that extra fancy truffle oil is like, you can try it real quick and decide for yourself. That's the thing. For people who can make the decision to be happy with what they've got, that's awesome. But for neurotic weirdos like me who always wonder if the grass is greener or for crazy chefs wondering whether the fettuccine is richer elsewhere, modeling basically tells you the answer instantly so you can either tweak the recipe or not. But either way you can stop obsessing and go on about your life afterwards. As for enhancing what you've got to perfect it, I get that too. I've spent plenty of time trying to find the perfect tone for this or that purpose. And I don't mean hopping from one amp to another and then another after that forever, reinventing the wheel every 5 minutes. I mean I take a pretty good base sound I like and really deep dive into it. For example, here's a few screenshots from the Axe-Fx's PC editor. These are all of the editable parameters for the Amp emulation only:          That's an overwhelming amount of poo poo to mess with and I don't know what a good percentage of it even does. But if I'm ever curious, it's all sitting right there to try out. Contrary to a lot of people's beliefs, these things aren't so much purpose built to give you a kajillion sounds (I mean, they could do that if you really wanted them to, but you'll kill yourself trying to find them all) but they're built more for establishing a small handful of sounds and making them perfect. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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