Morphix posted:

Exactly that, you can't tell me like 90% of games are basically dressed up skinner boxes at this point. Everything has been gamified and turned into an addictive loop.

Overwatch is fun but it's nothing I havn't been playing since TFC days. The only thing that's really different is there is an ever expanding reminder to buy more skins.


Playing Fear 1/2 was a new and momorable experince. Playing Halo for the first time on consoles was amazing, here was the PC experience for consoles, a not too dumbed down experience.

Like what does another Uncharted game do that God of War didn't do a decade plus ago. The loving story telling has gotten waaaay worse overall, I mean part of it is multiplayers are more important, but ya, I'm confused on how you can defend what the industry has turned into, loving gambling addiction for children machines.


The only thing I'm really wanting to try in Vr is Elite, everything else I've tried is basically those 90s arcade machines where you controlled a turret in 360, except the 'presence' or whatever you call it is better. It's neat, but let's not pretend that there is anything new in terms of gameplay experiences.


loving exactly, new game devs are just copying what worked in the past, I mean don't get me wrong I like another metriodvania was the next guy, but we're basically remixing our experiences from the 90s and early 2000s over and over and over. I really struggle to think of a new interesting gaming experience I've had. Like Smash Bros was the first new interesting fighting game I had played in a long time, that was fun. Let me know when someone creates a new Smash type game that redefines fighters. Or someone does a game like Deus Ex that redefines what FPS games are (prey tried but stumbled, despite two decades of industry suppposed growth)

Call me a grump, but new games are poo poo for the most part compared to the 90s-2003ish.


he said it better. and ya hollywood movies have also gotten shittier, they're much better produced but the overall quality is dumber and stupider, everything in culture has. to say that it hasn't is to be living in some sort of weird bubble.


little stuff like Rimworld fill me with happiness because it's like, drat what a wonderful little game. but most indie is also poo poo, everyone is turning into a job, it used to be something you had fun doing, most of the early pioneers were just doing it for fun, now ever devry loving grad knows how to monetize their game before a single drawing is made.

TheAgent posted:

but almost every iteration of assassins creed has refined gameplay, added new gameplay features, eras and storylines

like I get its just "another dumb asscreed game" but origins plays a shitload different than black flag, which is a lot different than 2, which is a lot different than 1

DapperDon posted:

I got you fam!

Hav posted:

Can anyone recommend video-fooling-with software? Is after effects still kidney level money?

Morphix posted:

The only thing I'm really wanting to try in Vr is Elite, everything else I've tried is basically those 90s arcade machines where you controlled a turret in 360, except the 'presence' or whatever you call it is better. It's neat, but let's not pretend that there is anything new in terms of gameplay experiences.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Most of every commercial product is poo poo, but the poo poo stuff gets forgotten and the brilliant stuff gets remembered.

We think of 1941 as the year Citizen Kane and The Maltese Falcon came out, but there were literally hundreds of lovely Westerns starring people you've never heard of that also came out of Hollywood that year.

Morphix posted:

/\/\
but tell me how you really feel


so loving what, are you really about to tell me I should be more impressed by the 'iteration' as you say in some asscreeds game compared to say, like Valve putting out the original Half Life? like you're out of your mind and your tastes are awful if you're trying to argue there is anything interesting about asscreed, like cmon on son

Spiderdrake posted:

I will say living through the era of lovely monetization is a trip though. Like holy gently caress is blizzard ever disgraceful for a company making as much money as they do. The blizzard launcher just slams you with ads, ads for ads, ads for your free lootboxes and your discounted lootboxes and all for games I don't play and don't own. Other companies are worse, of course, but Blizzard is decades old, highly successful and as carny gently caress as they can get away with.

Beet Wagon posted:

Yeah man, it's basically all just Beach Head 2000 over here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdZJvg7rNRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pmV2mwAV9k

TheAgent posted:

I also like star wars

please tell me your opinion on the last jedi

AlbieQuirky posted:

Most of every commercial product is poo poo, but the poo poo stuff gets forgotten and the brilliant stuff gets remembered.

We think of 1941 as the year Citizen Kane and The Maltese Falcon came out, but there were literally hundreds of lovely Westerns starring people you've never heard of that also came out of Hollywood that year.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Most of every commercial product is poo poo, but the poo poo stuff gets forgotten and the brilliant stuff gets remembered.

We think of 1941 as the year Citizen Kane and The Maltese Falcon came out, but there were literally hundreds of lovely Westerns starring people you've never heard of that also came out of Hollywood that year.

Beet Wagon posted:

Ah so we’ve moved from “VR is basically all turret simulators like those arcade games” to “well yeah VR games have interesting mechanics and incredibly refined motion controls but they all feature overused rehashed mechanics like ‘moving around’ or ‘being a guy’ and that makes me upset.”

Lmao you fuckin suck so hard

What can you tell us about ship customisation?

SINCLAIR: Warframe is all about customisation, so yeah, you'll be able to deck out your ship however you want. We're a looter shooter, which means we have progression curves in everything, so what kind of reactor do you have [in your ship]? What kind of weapons systems do you have and do you swap them out or upgrade them? Do you want to paint your ship a different colour? All of those things are in development for sure.

We're also planning to have different classes of ship, but the tricky thing is we don't want to ask players to deeply invest in one thing and then say, ‘Here's another one’. Warframes do that, where you upgrade them and you put the Forma in and mod them - we want to do that [in Railjack], but it took a hell of a lot of effort to get this one ship. Initially, we're going to say there's a lot of customisation [for this one ship], more than there is in a game like Star Citizen where it's about all of the different classes of ship there are.

Well, Star Citizen’s model also costs a fortune…

SINCLAIR: (Laughs) That's true, we are still a free-to-play game.

The creative director for Warframe also mentioned Star Citizen when he was discussing the concept for this gameplay on stream awhile ago.

"Turning into Star Citizen? I suppose. They certainly don't have a trademark on that concept though, do they? I think it's the fantasy of anyone who grew up watching Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Battlestar Galactica, right?"

He also explains how they solved the "physics grid" problem- simply by keeping your current physics area in one place and moving everything else around it, so you don't have to worry about falling out of the ship or anything (hint CIG please take another look at the Starfarer!). And somehow they got it working so that you can use this system even with multiple ships in the same instance.

Spiderdrake posted:

I'm waiting for him to tear off his mask and reveal Star Citizen is going to save gaming!

Morphix posted:

only if they can get VR working, and only than!

think I'm just turning into a grump. or growing out of really enjoying gaming as a medium beyond just a handful of multiplayer games that give me a nice sense of competition without getting off my rear end.

e- if I think about it, to me what makes gaming interesting at it's absolute best is being like the best choose your own adventure book. You get lost in the experience the the graphics, the whatever all fall away and it's you and this universe, in control. It's why Max Payne was awesome because it was really the first 3d experience where to me you felt like a Matrix like badass, you were john loving woo directing your own personal action flick.

G0RF posted:

If you need to rediscover the lost joys of gaming, I know a guy...

Morphix posted:

the first game is max payne but this time from a different perspective and arcade, to me this doesn't seem like anything we're going to be talking about decades down the line, the second game actually looks like it's incorporating VR into the experience in a new way, and not just burger making simulator. Neither look particularly ground breaking in the same way Super Mario 64 redefined an entire genre.

Where are the genre defining games? Iteration while neat isn't that for me.


star wars is okay, it's great if you're a child but anyone still talking about the greatness of the original star wars compared to whatever new poo poo is out now is a delusional fanboy. the kind of person I'm imagining who shares star wars reaction videos with people to get them hyped before the newest adventure.


Soo if we're sticking with the movie analogy, how do you not see a difference between the movies produced in the 90s vs the 70s, and similarly how do you not see a difference of movies produced in the 80s vs the 2010s. I'm talking strictly hollywood commercial movies. You'd have to ignore what happend to the studio system in the 60s not to see how it affected the movie maker in the 70s. And sure there was a lot of poo poo too, and only a few we remember, but there was much more experimentation, because the system allowed for it. Because nobody really knew what worked anymore.

Games to me are in a similar funk right now, indie was supposed to be the savior but once they got a taste of the money it turned to poo poo quickly. Now look at like 99% of indie titles on steam and tell me about some new gaming revivial. The market is bigger sure, but quality wise it's shittier. It's like the old floppy disk demos of yesteryear, the jazz jackrabbit knock offs, but times infinity.

Morphix posted:

Games to me are in a similar funk right now

Colostomy Bag posted:

I remember loading games with punch cards.

Foo Diddley posted:

I remember typing them in from the backs of computer magazines

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The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences nominated Half-Life for its 1998 "Outstanding Achievement in Character or Story Development" award, although the game lost to Pokémon Red and Blue.

Amazing Zimmo posted:

And then having them fail to run because you made a single typo that you can't find.

Morphix posted:

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but tell me how you really feel


so loving what, are you really about to tell me I should be more impressed by the 'iteration' as you say in some asscreeds game compared to say, like Valve putting out the original Half Life? like you're out of your mind and your tastes are awful if you're trying to argue there is anything interesting about asscreed, like cmon on son