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I'm disapointed to hear this about white wolf, I liked their game worlds. Especially weird considering the Exalted team is/was trying to give their game more representation for marginalized groups There is a twisted business logic to market to the reactionary shitheads that infest the tabletop rpg community
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At least I'll have posthuman studios, who's anarchist writers repeatably trigger the chuds. Most recently by stating that Eclipse Phase's Ultimates faction was going to be overtly fascist in the new edition
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Jul 11, 2018 00:10
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twoday posted:Besides the people that produce it, what sort of oversight are you expecting? Theoretically someone in the chain at white wolf had to sign off on that title besides the team that put it together
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Jul 11, 2018 00:11
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Battletech is the only good tabletop game in you need to know absolutely zero of the lore to enjoy it
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Dreddout posted:I'm disapointed to hear this about white wolf, I liked their game worlds. Especially weird considering the Exalted team is/was trying to give their game more representation for marginalized groups There is a twisted business logic to market to the reactionary shitheads that infest the tabletop rpg community Onyx Path is still okay and you can support them minus beast But the guy who made beast got outed as a straight up rapist soooooo
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Jul 11, 2018 00:11
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the two dumbest ideas in tabletop rpgdom being bad for the opposite reason from each other is legit interesting, imo. the gypsies book makes for a pretty neat set of adventure hooks! if you didn't know that the romani were real people, and not some kind of loving orc put on the face of the planet to be murdered for loot, it could fit in pretty much any fantasy setting. it's a very Woke Brands brand of hideous: real-world horrors being thrown through the corporate meat grinder to produce some delicious current-events-flavored Content(tm) by comparison the holocaust one treats its subject matter with the seriousness it is due. no secret vampire wizard satan bullshit behind Auschwitz or Birkenau. just pure man's inhumanity to man, and a great raw wound in our self-conception as civilised peoples that's still red and ragged today. SO WHO WANTS TO PLAY PRETEND ABOUT IT, GANG!
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Jul 11, 2018 00:14
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Dreddout posted:I'm disapointed to hear this about white wolf, I liked their game worlds. Especially weird considering the Exalted team is/was trying to give their game more representation for marginalized groups There is a twisted business logic to market to the reactionary shitheads that infest the tabletop rpg community well the business side of things is rough too, since Onyx Path (who do Exalted along with the new Chronicles of Darkness stuff, planned reboots of Trinity & Scion, etc.) is very much a separate team from the new White Wolf that Swededracula bought out with his videogame money, but all of their important IPs are licensed from White Wolf otoh they did put out the game about being a super-cool self-justifying supernatural abuser fighting off perfidious normies that turned out to be written by a child molester
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LGD posted:well the business side of things is rough too, since Onyx Path (who do Exalted along with the new Chronicles of Darkness stuff, planned reboots of Trinity & Scion, etc.) is very much a separate team from the new White Wolf that Swededracula bought out with his videogame money, but all of their important IPs are licensed from White Wolf They don't seem to be continuing to support beast at least
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Jul 11, 2018 00:15
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Plus the next line is about being a mad science experiment
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Onyx Path is still okay and you can support them minus beast I didn't like beast anyway, but of loving course the dude who writes a book pandering to otherkin is a sex offender What's the distinction between white wolf and onyx path nowadays?
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Jul 11, 2018 00:16
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Also we have a few OPP people who post on SA and none of them seem to be a fan pf beast
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Plus the next line is about being a mad science experiment I'm mad about that game mad that it hasn't come out yet
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Jul 11, 2018 00:17
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beast should have been publicly disavowed and recalled from whichever stores still had dusty copies on their shelves
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Jul 11, 2018 00:18
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Subjunctive posted:beast should have been publicly disavowed and recalled from whichever stores still had dusty copies on their shelves none of them because they dont use that business model anymore they sell hardcovers to kickstarter backers, and PDFs and print on demand paperbacks on drive thru rpg
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Jul 11, 2018 00:21
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:none of them because they dont use that business model anymore I thought they were still using FLGSs when Beast went out in 2015 or whatever. I guess they could pull from DTRPG then.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Also we have a few OPP people who post on SA and none of them seem to be a fan pf beast so you’re saying they’re not down with it?
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Dreddout posted:I didn't like beast anyway, but of loving course the dude who writes a book pandering to otherkin is a sex offender white wolf owns the WoD IP (and is owned by paradox) and is (very slowly) getting into making new oWoD stuff onyx path is a separate company that get to use the IP to mostly make Chronicles of Darkness stuff (which is just rebranded nWoD after paradox bought out white wolf and didn't want as much brand confusion over what 'new world of darkness' books would mean going forward)
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theflyingexecutive posted:so you’re saying they’re not down with it? yeah, you know them
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Taintrunner posted:Battletech is the only good tabletop game in you need to know absolutely zero of the lore to enjoy it lore is for children mechanics are why to play.
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Dreddout posted:I didn't like beast anyway, but of loving course the dude who writes a book pandering to otherkin is a sex offender white wolf is owned by the same company that owns paraox, and are basically some dudes passion project ot make more problematic RPGs onyx path is a bunch of freelancers who were licensing the new world of darkness stuff from white wolf/the people who owned white wolf and they renamed it to chronicles of darkness to avoid confusion
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Jul 11, 2018 01:12
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I don't get this, tabletop rpgs have been reactionary edgelord poo poo since the beginning. Is it really just adding loving frog that made people realize this poo poo is not woke? It's a genre made by and for "WW2" and "civil war" historical artifact collectors.
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OmanyteJackson posted:I don't get this, tabletop rpgs have been reactionary edgelord poo poo since the beginning. Is it really just adding loving frog that made people realize this poo poo is not woke? It's a genre made by and for "WW2" and "civil war" historical artifact collectors. I still like the 40k/fantasy stuff, yeah moron chuds like it for the wrong reasons because they are dumb fucks, but i find the lore interesting and humorous and i kinda like the direction its moving in.
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As someone whose only experience with warhammer is the fan art thread, what are the right reasons for liking 40k?
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OmanyteJackson posted:As someone whose only experience with warhammer is the fan art thread, what are the right reasons for liking 40k? staring into the abyss
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OmanyteJackson posted:As someone whose only experience with warhammer is the fan art thread, what are the right reasons for liking 40k? idk. i like the universe, everyone is amusingly lovely and awful and its giant pretty open universe with lots fun debates over lore poo poo and some of the books are weirdly legit good plus some good video games. the wrong reasons are mostly weird nazi types who unronicaly jerk off to chaos or the imperium of man and think that those are legit good ideas for the real world.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:idk. i like the universe, everyone is amusingly lovely and awful and its giant pretty open universe with lots fun debates over lore poo poo and some of the books are weirdly legit good plus some good video games. the wrong reasons are mostly weird nazi types who unronicaly jerk off to chaos or the imperium of man and think that those are legit good ideas for the real world. ok i guess ate poo poo on live tv posted:staring into the abyss SOLD!
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40k was satire for a long time but then I guess they realized fascism sells.
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OmanyteJackson posted:I don't get this, tabletop rpgs have been reactionary edgelord poo poo since the beginning. Is it really just adding loving frog that made people realize this poo poo is not woke? It's a genre made by and for "WW2" and "civil war" historical artifact collectors. white wolf's corpse is interesting in this regard because, bless them, they tried to push the limits in the way only a bunch of 90s kids could. where they were good, they went places that nobody else went and told very interesting stories about it. for example, the core concept of the gameline Exalted: "at any given time in this bronze-age-ish world, three hundred people who can reach Superman-level expertise in any given field of human achievement exist. the foundation of civilization is regularly finding and killing them before they have a chance to grow into their full powers. because before that was the case, there was not civilization. there were three hundred god-kings, and there were the inconveniently free-willed game pieces they used to play games with. you are one of the returning baby god-kings. the world wants you dead. surely, they are wrong to want this! you could help them against all the problems that beset them! IF ONLY YOU COULD MAKE THEM LISTEN TO YOU." it's an excellent setup! as a game about being ludicrously powerful, players inevitably move towards doing awful things in the name of accomplishing their goals because they can, and there's almost noone who can stop them! where they were bad, well, the phrase "competitive child gang-rape" appeared more than once. where they were good they were very very good, and where they were bad they justifiably put people off the hobby forever.
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cenotaph posted:40k was satire for a long time but then I guess they realized fascism sells. people who didnt realise it was satire became the people in charge
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i played the warhammer rts game with my friends for a bit and you get a unit thats a squad of like 9 grunts and you can build a commissar to attach to the squad who has a special ability where he executes one of the grunts "on charges of cowardice" and it makes the remaining 8 grunts get bonuses to fight better for a few seconds. it was a really good satire via a game mechanic implementation. another fun part of the story is that humanity has lost all knowledge of how basic electronics work because of religious fundamentalism or whatever and so the people who are charged with keeping the spaceships and other warmachines working are called "engin-seers" who commune with the "machine spirits"
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OmanyteJackson posted:I don't get this, tabletop rpgs have been reactionary edgelord poo poo since the beginning. Is it really just adding loving frog that made people realize this poo poo is not woke? It's a genre made by and for "WW2" and "civil war" historical artifact collectors. They really haven't been reactionary edgelord poo poo because they weren't pushing back against changing values until recently and even then there's plenty of things coming out that aren't by or for chuds
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Like even onyx Path poo poo is decidedly non chudly (minus beast) and that's derived from the game that's going full nazi now!
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how nazi is the non 40k warhammer with gobbos and waaagh
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got any sevens posted:how nazi is the non 40k warhammer with gobbos and waaagh Not particularly. For instance, while the empire is basically devoted to Sigmar, a human who attained godhood, it is still polytheistic and has heavy regional differences in culture as well as elf, dwarf, halfling, and ogre residents. As I understand it it's based loosely on the holy roman empire. There are human nation analogues for spain and italy where a particular goddess is revered, and Bretonnia is basically Arthurian stuff. You have more stuff like the races uniting to face off chaos incursions than the universal hate everyone shares for each other in 40k. There are witch hunters, though, as internal threats from chaos are a problem.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:They really haven't been reactionary edgelord poo poo because they weren't pushing back against changing values until recently and even then there's plenty of things coming out that aren't by or for chuds that's because Nazis became trendy for these guys back in 08. before that the big thing was Satan worship because it triggers politicians and the press the same way. it's the same kind of dudes, you could say the devil stuff is more harmless now but that's kind of the point.
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cenotaph posted:Not particularly. For instance, while the empire is basically devoted to Sigmar, a human who attained godhood, it is still polytheistic and has heavy regional differences in culture as well as elf, dwarf, halfling, and ogre residents. As I understand it it's based loosely on the holy roman empire. There are human nation analogues for spain and italy where a particular goddess is revered, and Bretonnia is basically Arthurian stuff. You have more stuff like the races uniting to face off chaos incursions than the universal hate everyone shares for each other in 40k. There are witch hunters, though, as internal threats from chaos are a problem. someone in c-spam had a really good take that the nazi faction aren't the empire, but the skaven a bunch of completely craven, narcissistic idiots that are only empowered in groups and constantly undermine each other. they're hellbent on genocide, but are too preoccupied with their harebrained schemes to rise to the top to actually implement them. most importantly, the empire refuses to acknowledge that they're a serious threat and pretends they don't exist, even thought they're breeding at a massive rate right under their feet when they blew up the warhammer world, iirc they even went up to the moon, which could be a very strained metaphor for operation paperclip
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re: 40k not being satire: reminder that the soccer hooligan, the orks, had nazis strapped to rockets as a unit and Margaret Thatcher as a special character (Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka)
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OmanyteJackson posted:that's because Nazis became trendy for these guys back in 08. before that the big thing was Satan worship because it triggers politicians and the press the same way. it's the same kind of dudes, you could say the devil stuff is more harmless now but that's kind of the point. nah
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OmanyteJackson posted:I don't get this, tabletop rpgs have been reactionary edgelord poo poo since the beginning. Is it really just adding loving frog that made people realize this poo poo is not woke? It's a genre made by and for "WW2" and "civil war" historical artifact collectors. I know vampire the masquerade had a lot of LGBT fans back in the 90's, because the theme of social alienation and having to hide from society spoke to them White Wolf, for it's many faults, used to make an effort to appeal to marginalized groups whether they wanted to be gay vampires or minority werewolves.
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cenotaph posted:Not particularly. For instance, while the empire is basically devoted to Sigmar, a human who attained godhood, it is still polytheistic and has heavy regional differences in culture as well as elf, dwarf, halfling, and ogre residents. As I understand it it's based loosely on the holy roman empire. There are human nation analogues for spain and italy where a particular goddess is revered, and Bretonnia is basically Arthurian stuff. You have more stuff like the races uniting to face off chaos incursions than the universal hate everyone shares for each other in 40k. There are witch hunters, though, as internal threats from chaos are a problem. Though they then burnt down the entire setting for an ill-advised reboot where everything now has legally distinct trademarkable names and they live in random elemental planes or something. Apparently at the moment they're trying to win back all the players they pissed off by establishing actual setting fluff and history again, and there's also soul-stealing sea elves who ride flying sharks and giant turtles.
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