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Liquid Communism posted:That is some of the best 'it is pointless to talk to you because you will misrepresent anything we discuss' I've seen implied in quite some time. That's a lot more than I got out of Tobias when I e-mailed him over a year ago about my concerns, which was a polite but essentially dismissive "thanks for writing" note sent from his iPhone, before just going and doubling down on defending Mr. Smith later publicly. Paradox decided to basically give White Wolf carte blanche to operate on its own, so they don't oversee them directly. That being said, that was still a decision they made and that they're responsible for, and it's one I hold them to. If they ever care about it, which seems unlikely, they can do something about it. That all being said, all you really need to do is not buy from White Wolf, and talk publicly about why you aren't buying White Wolf products. I don't see putting money into, say, Onyx Path products as a big deal, though I'm far warier than I was a year or two ago. Certainly, putting money into the Old World of Darkness would seem to set a bad precedent right now. In the end, the only thing that's really going to change anything is V5 and other One World of Darkness products flopping.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:33 |
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Maxwell Lord posted:My one data point for Paradox is that while the right likes to valorize the Crusades as good and just because it was against Muslims, Crusader Kings II accurately portrays them as a hopeless clusterfuck where the European nations score some early victories then blunder around the desert, withdrawing troops as soon as the Pope will let them. You’re supposed to join briefly then immediately quit in order to gain the Crusader trait, which will come in handy for when you bribe the pope to excommunicate your uncle.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 01:38 |
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Yeah basically it's, if you don't join you risk being excommunicated, but everyone has their own poo poo to do so they want their boys back as soon as possible.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:10 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:That's a lot more than I got out of Tobias when I e-mailed him over a year ago about my concerns, which was a polite but essentially dismissive "thanks for writing" note sent from his iPhone, before just going and doubling down on defending Mr. Smith later publicly. So Paradox Development Studios has no input or control over nuWW, but Paradox Interactive does.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 02:44 |
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Comrade Gorbash posted:So Paradox Development Studios has no input or control over nuWW, but Paradox Interactive does. I understand, it's just... last week, I went down the Paradox Bakery. And there were some great rolls, papillons, the kind of thing I'd usually expect. Most of it is made by the owner's son, Johan Paradox. And I noticed that some of the new cookies were labeled as lemon drop cookies, but that wasn't a lemony smell coming from them, but piss. So I ask Johan, "Who made these?", and he's like "Oh, that's my brother. That's Tobias." So I go to the owner, Fred Paradox, and I'm like "You know, Fred. I think there's piss in the lemon drop cookies that your son, Tobias Paradox is making." And Fred Paradox is like "Look, cooking is an art, and Tobias has his own art, I've just decided to let him cook whatever he wants." So I scratch my head, and am like, "Okay, I'll take it up with Tobias, maybe he has the recipe wrong." I go to Tobias and I'm like "You know you're putting piss in your cookies, right? I can't... really feel comfortable shopping in a place that serves pissy cookies. Could you maybe not have the piss in them?" And he's like "Oh, thank you for the feedback! That's definitely something to keep in mind!", and then kind of hurries me out. Now, the next day I poke my head in to see if he's fixed things, and I can only just... smell piss. It's like he's doubled the piss content of those cookies. I look to Tobias uncomfortably. He just smiles. "Man, can you smell piss? I can't! Have a cookie!" I hurriedly make my way out again. Johan makes great cookies! But can I really shop at a store where there's a man pissing in his baked goods? Even if they're not using the same oven? Shouldn't Fred do something about it? I mean, Johan isn't to blame, but... I haven't really been back.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 03:37 |
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Plutonis posted:The new expac will fix that though. The expac is going to give you 30+ new options to decapitate your own crusade and cripple christianity's control over the east as long as it humiliates a french king in the process.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 04:28 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:That's a lot more than I got out of Tobias when I e-mailed him over a year ago about my concerns, which was a polite but essentially dismissive "thanks for writing" note sent from his iPhone, before just going and doubling down on defending Mr. Smith later publicly. It seems like the same problem with Topps and CGL for Shadowrun. Rights owners don't seem to care how badly the licensee uses the property or hurts its reputation.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 04:30 |
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https://twitter.com/wwpublishing/status/1016548638695272448
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 07:47 |
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We could just change the numbers but now that we know what they mean we kind of want to keep them
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 10:30 |
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"so what if we were to post the hitler number just... jumbled up? would that work?"
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 10:53 |
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Serf posted:"so what if we were to post the hitler number just... jumbled up? would that work?" 88 backwards is still ... 88?!
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 11:02 |
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If you do the 14 words backwards, does that make it bizarro? White children securing the past for the non-aryan races? Now I want to play a game about time traveling woke kids fighting the slave trade.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 11:15 |
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This White Wolf thing has me astounded re: the number of people arguing that using "Build the wall" in your press release has nothing to do with the alt-right.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 12:06 |
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Well the original dogs with dice post appears to be deleted. Does anyone have it saved?
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 16:43 |
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It's still up on the Wayback Machine. I've saved a copy from there in case it becomes useful for some reason.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 16:55 |
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quote:Due to – What feminist gaming critic went off on the article?
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 17:27 |
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I'm guessing SApplecline.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 17:29 |
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Zak's reddit alt or the real guy?
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 17:33 |
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I mean some puppet account, if not the creep himself.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 17:46 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:What feminist gaming critic went off on the article? in order to distance ourselves from alt-right fuckheads and gamergaters, we should act like alt-right fuckheads and gamergaters it's perfect when you about it
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 18:10 |
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Sion posted:in order to distance ourselves from alt-right fuckheads and gamergaters, we should act like alt-right fuckheads and gamergaters it's perfect when you about it It's suddenly alt right to ask what people were publicly critical about the article? Or was it a private email the article's author got?
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:07 |
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I think he's questioning a hypothetical feminist's decision to bully the author into silence. Which, while that's questionable, it's way more likely some chud wrote him hate mail and signed it "a feminist."
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:14 |
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Ah yeah that'd make sense. It'd have to be a convincing fake of a popular game critic if it's called out like that though.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:22 |
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moths posted:I think he's questioning a hypothetical feminist's decision to bully the author into silence. without invoking false equivalency or taking a position on the validity of the claims, you're going down a very bad path if you start assuming people who are nominally aligned with your politics couldn't have possibly been ultra-lovely online and it therefore it must have been a false flag
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:29 |
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Yeah it was a bad post. Sorry. I am kind of livid about this whole thing though :/
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:32 |
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LGD posted:without invoking false equivalency or taking a position on the validity of the claims, you're going down a very bad path if you start assuming people who are nominally aligned with your politics couldn't have possibly been ultra-lovely online and it therefore it must have been a false flag Yeah. I would like to believe that no-one on the left would pull that poo poo... but I've been online long enough that I absolutely believe someone did.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:39 |
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moths posted:I think he's questioning a hypothetical feminist's decision to bully the author into silence.
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:46 |
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LGD posted:without invoking false equivalency or taking a position on the validity of the claims, you're going down a very bad path if you start assuming people who are nominally aligned with your politics couldn't have possibly been ultra-lovely online and it therefore it must have been a false flag You're absolutely correct, and I'd 100% agree with this under typical circumstances. What gives me pause here is that a specific, prominent rear end in a top hat attacking the article has demonstrated a history of both 1) falsely presenting himself as an ally and 2) sock-puppeting the gently caress out of conversations involving him. Without knowing all the facts, I'm just reading this all as "article was harassed into the ground."
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# ? Jul 10, 2018 19:58 |
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Sion posted:Yeah it was a bad post. Sorry. I am kind of livid about this whole thing though :/ It's cool. I guess on the plus side, the red flags that people have been worrying about with nuWhite Wolf for a few years now got pulled into a more public spotlight. Maybe it'll make WW reconsider some poo poo? At least it shows that if they don't, there will be some pretty nasty backlash when nerds not deep in internet tabletop gaming drama find out about it.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 04:01 |
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No, the article came down. They're busy unfurling the Mission Accomplished banner.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 04:21 |
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Harassment works!
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 04:43 |
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I know the article came down. I assume that's part of why Sion was mad
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 04:43 |
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moths posted:Harassment works! everyone go home, no moral!
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 05:19 |
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My bet was that it was an underhanded jab at Zak S, who after all bills himself as the True Sex-Positive Ally To Women Everywhere among other things. I'm honestly not sure who else it would have been.
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 08:42 |
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I just did some random twitter searches to check the current status of this debacle, and the CEO of Paradox Interactive, Fredrik Wester, is arguing it out with some person I've never heard of if they're involved with this at all? (Besides, you know, owning White Wolf, but for some reason they think it doesn't.) Also the CEO hasn't heard of any wrongdoing by White Wolf, because why would they? -_- https://twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/1016938203574661120 https://twitter.com/Inkfacefahz/status/1016950917411868674 gourdcaptain fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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Reene posted:My bet was that it was an underhanded jab at Zak S, who after all bills himself as the True Sex-Positive Ally To Women Everywhere among other things. that would be weird though, since the article called him out by name and cited specific reasons he's a shitheel - pulling it specifically because Zak S vitriolically complained under his own name would be weird, as would dancing around his identity (I mean for reasons other than avoiding nuisance defamation threats due to him acting through unverifiable sockpuppets) LGD fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Jul 11, 2018 |
# ? Jul 11, 2018 10:10 |
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Reene posted:My bet was that it was an underhanded jab at Zak S, who after all bills himself as the True Sex-Positive Ally To Women Everywhere among other things. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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MadScientistWorking posted:because you can very well make their lives worst. Isn't this who assholes want us to blame though? That harassment is an inevitability and when they get called out and lash out, it's someone else's fault? It's the point of their bullshit. E: dog with dice is no longer a blog this morning. moths fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jul 11, 2018 |
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moths posted:E: dog with dice is no longer a blog this morning. jesus if this industry has managed to harass yet another person out of the internet I swear to god
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# ? Jul 11, 2018 14:39 |
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moths posted:Isn't this who assholes want us to blame though? That harassment is an inevitability and when they get called out and lash out, it's someone else's fault?
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