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OwlFancier posted:"not knocked over by the CIA" really should count as a minor victory for any non US aligned country during the cold war. Considering how much bullshit the CIA and American military have gotten up to in South America that's an embarrassing defeat for the States. Cuba isn't perfect but resisting American bullshit for so long despite being right next door is nuts.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Considering how much bullshit the CIA and American military have gotten up to in South America that's an embarrassing defeat for the States. Cuba isn't perfect but resisting American bullshit for so long despite being right next door is nuts. It is, and it's something that nobody ever talks about, conveniently. The Cold War was two superpowers being equally large dicks for decades; there was no "good guy" there like in WW2. Massively harming weaker countries to fulfill profit motives is at the heart of global capitalism, but the US has done everything they can to make life miserable for every former Soviet bloc country seemingly out of spite. Cuba is no threat to the US economically, militarily or diplomatically, but the US has loved to be horrid to it for decades out of what I can only call ideological reasons. Kudos to Cuba for managing to do fairly well despite all of that, and thanks for all of the fine baseballers.
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Jul 11, 2018 19:23
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Cuba doing well with a non-capitalist economy is a real ideological threat to the US, so the embargo is entirely rational.
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Jul 11, 2018 19:29
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They were also close pals with Russia. There was a time where the court of public opinion in America would crucify you if somebody thought that you had maybe one time looked vaguely in the direction of a Russian.
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Jul 11, 2018 20:55
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Thankfully, anti-Russian paranoia is a thing of the past.
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Mr Interweb posted:But don't they drive cars that are no newer than ones from the 50s? Mr Interweb posted:Uh...having out of date automobiles can be quite problematic when we're talking things like maintainence, reliability, pollution output, etc. The thing you gotta remember is a lot of that stuff these days has been replaced inside and out with a lot of different parts. There are less than 75,000 pre-revolution cars left in the country and most of those have had major engine swaps or transmission swaps at the minimum. There are much larger amounts of Soviet era Russian and Eastern Bloc cars trundling about. And there's been a pretty steady stream of imports from South Korean and Japanese manufacturers since the 70s, with Chinese cars really picking up since the early 2000s. But managing to keep a classic American car going is quite a status symbol there and a huge tourist draw, so a lot of the places most tourists go will have them around in the majority. Even if the engine inside has been replaced with a diesel motor from the 90s because diesel is way cheaper than gasoline for import reasons. And like again Venezuela is full of modern cars, but you can barely buy food and the entire national economy continues to collapse because they continue to let their main industry fall apart. And some ignorant people will pretend this is because of evil American economic warfare but let's be real: Venezuela would collapse within days if the US seized Venezuela's primary source of refined oil products - their ownership of Citgo in the US and the ability to refine Venezuela's lovely oil at said Citgo facilities in the US plus some other US refineries. fishmech fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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The causes are contested, and the government stance is supported by the fact that fresh produce is generally abundant to consumers, while corn flour and cooking oil are not.
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Halloween Jack posted:Thankfully, anti-Russian paranoia is a thing of the past. Kinda, yeah. The right doesn't give a poo poo that Trump is besties with Putin and the left would be rightfully yelling about election tampering regardless of which foreign government was doing it
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Jul 12, 2018 06:48
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JustJeff88 posted:It is, and it's something that nobody ever talks about, conveniently. The Cold War was two superpowers being equally large dicks for decades; there was no "good guy" there like in WW2. actually there was. Halloween Jack posted:Can you recommend some opposing viewpoints? I really, really don't want to read Romanian newspapers. i haven't forgotten this btw. am looking for the people who go into detail on the extremely basic translation error that informs the entirety of myers' thesis.
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Jul 12, 2018 08:36
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Yeah, I sort of feel like if we get to be the unambiguous Good Guy of World War 2 despite committing a series of crimes against humanity, then it's awfully hard to disqualify the communists as the right side of the Cold War.
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Mornacale posted:Yeah, I sort of feel like if we get to be the unambiguous Good Guy of World War 2 despite committing a series of crimes against humanity, then it's awfully hard to disqualify the communists as the right side of the Cold War. It's really not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes#Soviet_Union
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Ah, the part where capitalists pretend that deaths attributable to their ideology are simply the unavoidable state of nature.
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R. Guyovich posted:actually there was. 
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Mornacale posted:Ah, the part where capitalists pretend that deaths attributable to their ideology are simply the unavoidable state of nature. I think you're barking up the wrong three here.
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JustJeff88 posted:It is, and it's something that nobody ever talks about, conveniently. The Cold War was two superpowers being equally large dicks for decades; there was no "good guy" there like in WW2. Massively harming weaker countries to fulfill profit motives is at the heart of global capitalism, but the US has done everything they can to make life miserable for every former Soviet bloc country seemingly out of spite. Cuba is no threat to the US economically, militarily or diplomatically, but the US has loved to be horrid to it for decades out of what I can only call ideological reasons. Kudos to Cuba for managing to do fairly well despite all of that, and thanks for all of the fine baseballers. I'm not sure who you're preaching to, because I'm pretty certain the thread is in agreement that McCarthyism is bad?
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R. Guyovich posted:i haven't forgotten this btw. am looking for the people who go into detail on the extremely basic translation error that informs the entirety of myers' thesis.
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Juche is less relevant than Posadism, frankly.
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I mean, juche has a country that follows it. Is there a country where I can hang out with uplifted dolphins and watch the UFOs go by?
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Goon Danton posted:I mean, juche has a country that follows it. quote:Is there a country where I can hang out with uplifted dolphins and watch the UFOs go by? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 16:54
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Goon Danton posted:I mean, juche has a country that follows it. Is there a country where I can hang out with uplifted dolphins and watch the UFOs go by? Literally America if my understanding of it via fplus documents is correct. https://thefpl.us/episode/65
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Goon Danton posted:I mean, juche has a country that follows it. Is there a country where I can hang out with uplifted dolphins and watch the UFOs go by? Florida comes pretty close.
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Halloween Jack posted:To say that the DPRK is still guided by juche, you'd have to define what you mean by that. The position Guyovich and I are debating is that there are several different things called Juche both officially and unofficially sold to different groups, and to some people "Juche" is used to describe any DPRK propaganda. So like an internal microcosm of "communism"
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Goon Danton posted:I mean, juche has a country that follows it. Is there a country where I can hang out with uplifted dolphins and watch the UFOs go by? No it does not. North Korea abandoned juche as the guiding principle during the 90s as par tof the transition into Kim Jong Il being fully in charge and the reaction to the massive famine. In as much as juche was anything, there's been a pretty serious break in how things are administered and run from then to now. The songun military-first thing was initially a minor principle of governance and policy from the 60s under Kim Il Sung, but Kim Jong Il pushed it very heavily to the front once he gained full power, and really leaned into it after the famine. Edit: And also like, there's pretty massive amounts of private enterprise allowed these days that would not have been allowed under Kim Il Sung's juche idea. Kim Jong Un has only continued to lean in on that once his dad got that stuff really started. fishmech fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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I often wonder if not an international pariah if north korea could transition to a state-capitalist "success story" along the lines of China. You don't need human rights or democracy or even consistent rule of law to get rich off capitalism.
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Possibly; that's why I'm skeptical of anyone who says that the solution to the North Korea Problem is just economic engagement. Like KJU sucks but I don't want to see the DPRK transform into a sweatshop colony.
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This is tangentially related to this thread at best, which I hope that you will forgive, but I wanted to say: OwlFancier, you have the patience of a bloody saint. I've been trying to read the "Lesser of Two Evils" voting thread, speaking as someone who is totally politically disaffected, and I am not being hyperbolic in the slightest when I say that it might be the worst thread I have ever read on any topic. OwlFancier has somehow been able to be a calm, rational, dignified person who tries to argue in good faith despite being surrounded by the most vindictive, childish and insufferable people I've ever met, and for that he deserves a medal. Top hole, good show, God Save the Queen etc.
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Those of you who remember quote:Sorry, you're the dumb one. I'm sure it will shock precisely zero of you to know that the man responsible for it, who as I've previously pointed out, went by the name 'forensicator' appears to have not been simply mistaken, but to have fabricated basically all of the above information. The article is pretty long winded, but the gist is that a british developer/hacker for some reason decided to start spreading conspiracy theories that Seth Rich was responsible for the hacking. He did this by obfuscating his identity under several layers of anonymity (fake names as well as internet handles), and creating websites/publishing his theories online. Eventually he seems to have received an 'anonymous tip' (almost certainly from the GRU) that told him how to unlock a tranche of files released by Guccifer in london. The allegation was that the metadata in the files showed that they couldn't have been downloaded online, and could only have been stolen from the inside. The hacker in question then appears to have pretended that this 'anonymous tip' was his own work, rather than something he received anonymously, and published it under the 'forensicator' name. Well yeah, the anonymous information from Jrod is totally from russian intelligence. They had 'Guccifer' release a series of files in London that they'd manipulated the timestamp on by running through 7zip and an old version of WinRAR. Then this british guy, who really feels like he might be a GRU stooge, releases their 'analysis' of the files that they released showing that they totally couldn't have been downloaded that fast. Just wanted to post the article because it is interesting and it is delightful to know that, once again, Jrodfeld has been duped by the most obvious poo poo.
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Caros posted:running through 7zip and an old version of WinRAR something about this phrase just makes me giggle like a lunatic
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theshim posted:I might be a brokebrain but this is the funniest part to me Nah, I got a chuckle out of that too. Though it was a sad chuckle.
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JustJeff88 posted:This is tangentially related to this thread at best, which I hope that you will forgive, but I wanted to say: OwlFancier, you have the patience of a bloody saint. I've been trying to read the "Lesser of Two Evils" voting thread, speaking as someone who is totally politically disaffected, and I am not being hyperbolic in the slightest when I say that it might be the worst thread I have ever read on any topic. OwlFancier has somehow been able to be a calm, rational, dignified person who tries to argue in good faith despite being surrounded by the most vindictive, childish and insufferable people I've ever met, and for that he deserves a medal. Top hole, good show, God Save the Queen etc. Now I need a link, my blood pressure's been a bit low lately.
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Discendo Vox posted:Now I need a link, my blood pressure's been a bit low lately. You asked for this; upon your own head be it.
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fwiw I'm just shitposting but I appreciate it might come off as smart when the apparent opposition is "what if we ran donald trump's campaign and pulled off the lucha mask at the end to reveal we were actually commies"
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OwlFancier posted:fwiw I'm just shitposting but I appreciate it might come off as smart when the apparent opposition is "what if we ran donald trump's campaign and pulled off the lucha mask at the end to reveal we were actually commies" I mean... if that worked I'm not complaining 
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I wouldn't say no to running an actual luchadore, though; those guys are awesome.
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The biggest pro wrestling show in history (in terms of attendance) happened in North Korea, when Antonio Inoki worked international politics to promote a show.
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OwlFancier posted:It's possibly one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard though. I won't lie; as a resident of the Deep South I've wondered how viable it would be to run and talk as a bible thumping R but then vote 100% leftist and never acknowledge the discrepancy or invent right wing arguments to defend it.
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The republican party would notice and immediately bury you.
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Rhjamiz posted:I won't lie; as a resident of the Deep South I've wondered how viable it would be to run and talk as a bible thumping R but then vote 100% leftist and never acknowledge the discrepancy or invent right wing arguments to defend it. This is not Chuck Schumer we're dealing with here. They'd gove you one warning to get with the program and then fill the airwaves with how a three-time divorcee drunkard loved god and hates darkies far more than you.
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Sephyr posted:This is not Chuck Schumer we're dealing with here. Yeah that does sound about right. It would be funny though.
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