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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again: Good Rye Whiskey is loving delicious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHKKq7kMF8w
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Naked Bear posted:Sometimes I wonder if we've already been found by extraterrestrials, but who, after observing humans, decided to give Earth a hard pass. Here's my theory: The time from the first dinosaur to the last was was greater than the span of time from the last dino to now. The aliens billed earth as a dino hunting planet, but when the asteroid hit they wrote "dead" and they haven't bothered to come back since. That or they see the number of movies we make about wanting to kill aliens and realized we're a bit too eager to say hello.
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Jul 9, 2018 01:45
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As Nero Danced posted:
And if they saw our porn they'd be worried about the survivors ending up in an alien sex dungeon. The outer space kind. The other kind is already a thing.
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Jul 9, 2018 18:35
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Pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4
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Jul 12, 2018 04:25
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Don't have time to watch that now, but that era is pretty crazy. Mysterious people just show up, multiple cultures don't even have normal names for them and call them variations of Sea People, then governments topple and cultures scatter. It's bonkers.
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Jul 12, 2018 04:29
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Awe poo poo did someone say Sea People’s? That whole time period is dope. Since we only have so much info a lot of it is theorizing, which is fun I’ll dig it up later, think it’s on wiki, but there’s a spooky account found on an old tablet of an Egyptian managing an area or w/e writing for military support and help: “these people came from the sea and have done unspeakable things send help pls” Some say they’re refugees of Troy? Founded early Rome? Wait is that Etruscans? Idk just eerie that here humanity seems to be flourishing and then there’s some huge calamity and then things go to poo poo. But seemingly being on the move and having woman and children in tow cements that idea a bit I believe there’s a theory, with a real geographical basis, that a volcano had erupted in Iceland at the time, which would have been powerful enough to have ruined the crops of the region they came from, leading them to fleeing. gently caress history is rad Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 04:47
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Yeah, the Etruscans were pre-Rome. The guy does float the Sea People out there because they are definitely a symptom (though likely not the sole cause) of the events described, along with possible, even probable, connections to who they were and/or became. The etymology of their names gives huge, almost obvious clues as to their identity, but doesn't quite establish their timeline. We may never know exactly how poo poo went down, but as time goes on we'll find more clues, come up with new theories and refine existing ones.
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Jul 12, 2018 05:07
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Yeah that’s extremely up my alley and please post poo poo like that all the time. Don’t think I can get to it today but I’m excited to have a look
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Jul 12, 2018 05:11
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Hi,Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Awe poo poo did someone say Sea People’s? That whole time period is dope. Since we only have so much info a lot of it is theorizing, which is fun You might be thinking of the funerary reliefs for Ramesses III, in particular about the Battle of Djahy. The Sea Peoples also turn up in the Amarna Letters and I think some Hittite scripts as well quote:The foreign countries (i.e. Sea Peoples) made a conspiracy in their islands. All at once the lands were removed and scattered in the fray. No land could stand before their arms: from Hatti, Qode, Carchemish, Arzawa and Alashiya on, being cut off (i.e. destroyed) at one time. A camp was set up in Amurru. They desolated its people, and its land was like that which has never come into being. They were coming forward toward Egypt, while the flame was prepared before them. Their confederation was the Peleset, Tjeker, Shekelesh, Denyen and Weshesh, lands united. They laid their hands upon the land as far as the circuit of the earth, their hearts confident and trusting: 'Our plans will succeed![2] "The past is an alien planet." bonus historical content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlNvdfv76WA
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Maybe I missed it, had a cursory glance of the link, but I think it’s different. I swear it was on the sea people’s wiki but I’m on mobile and no clever googling is finding it. I first saw it in an ask/tell thread I did see a handful of articles from 2017 about some deciphering https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...c-a7992141.html
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Awe poo poo did someone say Sea People’s? That whole time period is dope. Since we only have so much info a lot of it is theorizing, which is fun The Romans claimed to be descended from Trojan refugees. The Etruscans were already in Italy, neighboring newly founded Rome, and were one of the first cultures Edit: One of the nicknames used in history journals about the collapse of Mediterranean bronze age everything is the Cataclysm. Badass.
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Maybe I missed it, had a cursory glance of the link, but I think it’s different. I swear it was on the sea people’s wiki but I’m on mobile and no clever googling is finding it. I first saw it in an ask/tell thread Oh wait, quote:My father, behold, the enemy's ships came (here); my cities(?) were burned, and they did evil things in my country. Does not my father know that all my troops and chariots(?) are in the Land of Hatti, and all my ships are in the Land of Lukka? ... Thus, the country is abandoned to itself. May my father know it: the seven ships of the enemy that came here inflicted much damage upon us.[86] Letters at Ugarit maybe. The scholarship is always in flux on this stuff which is awesome. The Sea Peoples being Trojans gone a' viking would be all kinds of interesting.
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Jul 12, 2018 06:33
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Ah yeah that’s the one! Thanks much!
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Jul 12, 2018 06:41
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Heh, I sent that video to my buddy who's studying for his PhD in ancient Greek history, and he just sends me back a screenshot of his Kindle library with that guy's book half read in it. Should have guessed he'd have beat me to it.
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Man that poo poo makes me want to go take some random history classes.
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poo poo gets me hard I couldn’t have cared less before. Had a class at the local JC: “earliest civilizations to 1,500 AD” or something of that sort. Class blew my mind. Professor is probably dead now but the dude was pushing closer to 80 or so long-since retired but taught that class for funsies. Had his own book for said class. Absolutely credit him for lighting that flame. He was an eloquent story teller and knew the ins and outs of every detail. Always wore a suit looking fly and dapper as hell. Before that it was a broken record: Native Americans, slavery, patriotism, slaves, gently caress the British. Then of course towards high school ya hit Vietnam and WW2 poo poo non-stop. I had the same teacher for world and US history in HS so it was pretty much the same class twice. Dude had a boner for Vietnam and Hitler. Yes these things are important areas to study—probably shoulda prefaced that. Took that class and my mind was blown. I had no idea as to the “other side” of history. The stories of the non-victors, the taboo things, mother loving raw poo poo bro. I guess I’m a hobbyist of some sort. I’ve honesty learned heaps over the years in ask/tell and such. Some good threads in there. I also ‘bout near idolize Dan Carlin. Anyway that’s a whole lotta words for nothing. I just wanted to say that he really changed my life and I should probably reach out to him in some way if he’s still around. I only wish we could somehow instill that piqued interest and curiosity at a much younger age. I know I’m opening up a debate with that last bit—but I really was such an angsty “ugh why do we gotta learn history” regular kid. Just spice things up a bit, you don’t even have to embellish anything at all. Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 08:02
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History owns, it’s always been one of my favorite courses of study. But yeah public school history classes are a loving joke and repeat themselves endlessly after elementary school, which makes most people not give a poo poo about it, sadly.
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Jul 12, 2018 12:52
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Oh poo poo we talking sea people?
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Our resident seabee has a degree in anthropology, and despite all of the spiders already having names I'm curious his thoughts on this.
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That lecture owns. Reminds me of a prof in history of the ancient world that has the published theory attributing original civilization to the creation of beer in the tigris and euphrates valley circa 5000 bc iirc.
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I remember reading that somewhere and it honestly seems like the most plausible explanation for humans settling down beyond simply "agriculture."
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:Oh poo poo we talking sea people? get in here dude Terrible Robot posted:History owns, it’s always been one of my favorite courses of study. But yeah public school history classes are a loving joke and repeat themselves endlessly after elementary school, which makes most people not give a poo poo about it, sadly. It seems cliche to say but that’s honestly the reality. I’m curious how much the tune of history classes changes when you get closer to the south. It’s like gently caress, just talk about some of the grim and taboo poo poo. It’s so exciting. Not this Middle Ages mindset where everyone that came before were just uncivilized orgy having war mongering heathens. Mr. Nice! posted:That lecture owns. Reminds me of a prof in history of the ancient world that has the published theory attributing original civilization to the creation of beer in the tigris and euphrates valley circa 5000 bc iirc. Oh drat I thought I remember reading Sumer and it possibly being a woman but it seems they were around closer to 4,000 BC Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Naked Bear posted:I remember reading that somewhere and it honestly seems like the most plausible explanation for humans settling down beyond simply "agriculture." Well sure, but just the act of "settling down" is a huge and complicated thing. So is inventing something like agriculture. Or writing.
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Godholio posted:Well sure, but just the act of "settling down" is a huge and complicated thing. So is inventing something like agriculture. Or writing. Nah that’s like turn 1-5 of CIV.
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Had his own book for said class. Wow! They got him?! Mr. Nice! posted:creation of beer in the tigris legit thought this said tgirls. lol history was way more dope for a sec
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Victor Vermis posted:Wow! They got him?! idgi Was the joke that anyone can publish their own book?
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And that professors have a financial incentive for making it required for the course. But in this case, it sounds like it's probably legit.
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Oh right, yeah, that’s some lame poo poo.
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For bronze age stuff here's a relatively recent thing from the Tollense River.quote:In 1996, an amateur archaeologist found a single upper arm bone sticking out of the steep riverbank—the first clue that the Tollense Valley, about 120 kilometers north of Berlin, concealed a gruesome secret. A flint arrowhead was firmly embedded in one end of the bone, prompting archaeologists to dig a small test excavation that yielded more bones, a bashed-in skull, and a 73-centimeter club resembling a baseball bat. The artifacts all were radiocarbon-dated to about 1250 B.C.E., suggesting they stemmed from a single episode during Europe’s Bronze Age. poo poo went down. Article is on the sensationalist side but still...lot of history out there that just kind of gets blipped out of existence till dirt shifts just so. Need to find more.
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Bronze Age history is utterly fascinating because there's so much we don't know for poo poo. Rome is awesome because it's a great mix of things we know because they wrote it down (and the writings survived) and gaps where the information just doesn't seem to exist anymore. I wish I'd leaned more heavily into archaeology like I almost did as an undergrad. It would've served me a lot better than my eventual major. 
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Yeah those Roman’s sure loved record keeping didn’t they? Throughout history classes I was led to believe it was largely out of pride and being full of themselves, how true is that? You of course gotta wonder what’s accurate and what’s not. I mean all history is embellished. With their obsession with, for example, erasing Carthage: I’m curious how we can still put so much together about what happened. Man could you imagine if the Library of Alexandria didn’t get torched?
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Yeah those Roman’s sure loved record keeping didn’t they? Throughout history classes I was led to believe it was largely out of pride and being full of themselves, how true is that? You of course gotta wonder what’s accurate and what’s not. I mean all history is embellished. What if they burned down the building... BUT ALL THE BOOKS WERE CHECKED OUT???
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Need a bronze age survival game. Have the big bad be THE SEA PEOPLES
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Godholio posted:Bronze Age history is utterly fascinating because there's so much we don't know for poo poo. Rome is awesome because it's a great mix of things we know because they wrote it down (and the writings survived) and gaps where the information just doesn't seem to exist anymore. I really wish I'd taken more classics and antiquities classes than I did as well, I ended up with all this depressing poo poo about the 20th century and the cold war in particular. I will say if anyone wants to study it more you'll notice that more often than not "Yeah, that sounds about right" is enough for a theory to gain acceptance. Bronze age stuff is a bit fuzzy but really cool. We still don't know what the Minoans wrote (or the Indus valley folks for that matter). Hell we don't even know what they called themselves, we called them Minoans because "Hey that building foundation looks like a labyrinth! It musta been where Minos lived!" edit: Also if anyone wants some books about and from the ancient greeks to read (or things to put on the book case to make you look smart) get the Landmark series edited by Robert Strassler. Bunch of Greek historians' works (Sadly the Xenophon book doesn't have the anabasis, but that's really cool too), and one with Caesar's writings. One thing I love about these is that Strassler put notes in the margins to explain stuff rather than have a huge appendix in the back or at the end of the chapters. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Yeah those Roman’s sure loved record keeping didn’t they? Throughout history classes I was led to believe it was largely out of pride and being full of themselves, how true is that? You of course gotta wonder what’s accurate and what’s not. I mean all history is embellished. They definitely took pride in documenting their success, and the failures that led to their comebacks. But for a lot of events we have the Roman documentation, and also records from others. There are ways to validate authors' works, or to figure out their biases and take them into account, too. This is one of a hundred reasons that history is never really "solved."
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:poo poo gets me hard What's the book?
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I think I have it buried in my garage, I’ll have a look later. To be clear, it was more individual chronological pages on x civilization with major bullet points, and he’d expand on each one. Not highly detailed at all. Still fun to skim through.
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Good piece of more modern (and contentious) history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unBdquVfnug
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