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I appreciate how absolute and black and white Punisher is. Stories like his The End out Six Hours To Kill where his response to being put in a dilemma of "but now you can't kill me" is to kill them anyway. I'm positive that if you sat Frank down and managed to honestly convince him that what he was doing was wrong, he'd just say "oh okay" and shoot himself right there.
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There was an interesting story where he inspired a bunch of copycats but they each had totally different targets and were generally not behaving. One guy was shooting up executives in boardrooms due to their unethical antics, one of them was a neo-nazi who was killing those he saw as bringing down the property values in his neighbourhood and I can't remember the last one. There was an interesting scene where the Punisher confronts the first one, and gives him a name that he is unfamiliar with - the name of a custodial worker in one of the offices he hit, who a stray bullet from his rampage hit after going through a wall. His sloppiness put her in a coma.
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Jul 11, 2018 12:55
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Perestroika posted:That was also an rather off-putting thing in American Sniper, where the guy and his unit were proudly displaying the Punisher skull on their uniforms and vehicles, which they'd also done in real life. That was just 100% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU Not just the army 
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Jul 11, 2018 13:05
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Baron von Eevl posted:I appreciate how absolute and black and white Punisher is. Stories like his The End out Six Hours To Kill where his response to being put in a dilemma of "but now you can't kill me" is to kill them anyway. I'm positive that if you sat Frank down and managed to honestly convince him that what he was doing was wrong, he'd just say "oh okay" and shoot himself right there. At least the Punisher in the max comics is so far gone that he wouldn't be convinced by that. He already knows that what he's doing is wrong but he no longer cares.
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Jul 11, 2018 13:10
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I do like that it's pretty consistent how all the real heroes in Marvel hate the Punisher, especially the other street level New York guys like Spidey and Daredevil.
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Jul 11, 2018 13:21
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Aphrodite posted:I do like that it's pretty consistent how all the real heroes in Marvel hate the Punisher, especially the other street level New York guys like Spidey and Daredevil. That is literally every single day of the regular continutiuy Punisher's life; there is no way he should be out of jail or alive at any given moment depending on whether the last person he encountered was Armadillo or The Beetle.
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NorgLyle posted:Which is also the thing that makes me crazy about the Punisher. There's a scene on the mostly forgettable Dark Reign storyline where Bullseye, masquerading as one of the Avengers, encounters one of the literal hundreds of C-list superheroes who wander around the greater New York City area in the Marvel universe and gets his rear end summarily kicked because, ultimately, he's a guy with no actual superpowers in a world where real powers are absurdly common. Realizing that you don't have to follow the rules is a superpower all it's own. Which reminds me of the Malvo character in the Fargo TV series who essentially has superpowers because he just doesn't care about consequences and will straight up murder you. Also, always have a plan.
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Alhazred posted:At least the Punisher in the max comics is so far gone that he wouldn't be convinced by that. He already knows that what he's doing is wrong but he no longer cares. I liked the (as far as I'm aware) end of the line where Frank dies and that Nick Fury goes to his final hideout and after reading his war journals decide to burn everything because Frank was a Monster. Which is saying a lot because the Max Fury is also a monster albeit a different kind.
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BioEnchanted posted:There was an interesting story where he inspired a bunch of copycats but they each had totally different targets and were generally not behaving. One guy was shooting up executives in boardrooms due to their unethical antics, one of them was a neo-nazi who was killing those he saw as bringing down the property values in his neighbourhood and I can't remember the last one. There was an interesting scene where the Punisher confronts the first one, and gives him a name that he is unfamiliar with - the name of a custodial worker in one of the offices he hit, who a stray bullet from his rampage hit after going through a wall. His sloppiness put her in a coma. The last one was a priest killing the unrighteous, IIRC.
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Jul 11, 2018 14:34
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Let us not forget the very brief moment Frank Castle was Captain America after Steve Rogers was killed. If here was ever a prescient image of what America would become, this is it.
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Jul 11, 2018 15:32
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Jedit posted:The last one was a priest killing the unrighteous, IIRC. Yep, he was taking an axe to people that came to confess their sins. The Punisher called him out in a hypocritical way. 
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Jul 11, 2018 16:42
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Polka_Rapper posted:Yep, he was taking an axe to people that came to confess their sins. The Punisher called him out in a hypocritical way. What’s a skinny Jesse Custer with slicked down hair doing there? Steve Dillon face
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Jul 11, 2018 17:05
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I read a comic where the punisher went after captain America but now it turns out cap is a nazi so I’m firmly behind punisher. God bless you punisher, kill all the people you want because chances are they’ve said or done something wrong at some point
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Jul 11, 2018 19:34
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I enjoy reading some of the punisher stories, but man, he is just a terrible character in general
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Jul 11, 2018 19:42
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The Sexual Shiite posted:What’s a skinny Jesse Custer with slicked down hair doing there? By the end of Punisher Max Frank is Jesse Custer.
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Jul 12, 2018 02:19
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The Punisher is such a perfect example of the kind of lovely edgelord characters that plagued comics in the 80s and 90s, I was very surprised to learn he was created in 1974.
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Jul 12, 2018 02:52
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Vigilantes were a very popular figure in fiction in the 70s. I mean yeah they still are but the 70s had films like Dirty Harry, Taxi Driver and Death Wish, among hundreds of trashy grindhouse films.. People were disgruntled with percieved ineffectiveness of the police and the idea of vigilantes doing their jobs really got into the public consciousness.
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Jul 12, 2018 02:57
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And amazingly enough the recent Punisher series (including his bits in S2 of Daredevil) are really good and contain actual nuance. S1 ends with Frank going to a support group for veterans with PTSD. Highly recommended, it's probably the best of the Marvel/Netflix series so far.
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Jul 12, 2018 03:23
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Krispy Wafer posted:Realizing that you don't have to follow the rules is a superpower all it's own. Supervillain types I figure avoid the Punisher specifically because the Punisher is a terrifyingly competent murder machine who has even odds of catching them with a bullet to the head as they do of blasting his head off or dropping a building on him or whatever. Like Batman who's willing to kill. IIRC, wasn't the Punisher's first appearance (or at least a prominent one) him showing up in a Spider-man comic as a gun-toting vigilante who was going after Spider-man for yet another wrongful accusation? And being a dude with a bunch of guns he still put up a pretty good fight against Spider-man, who has one of the most versatile and effective powersets of mid-range superheroes.
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Jul 12, 2018 04:18
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His first appearance is as a vigilante hunting Spider-Man - because he's being manipulated by the Jackal who resembles a furry gremlin of sorts. Comics are weird/great
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Supervillain types I figure avoid the Punisher specifically because the Punisher is a terrifyingly competent murder machine who has even odds of catching them with a bullet to the head as they do of blasting his head off or dropping a building on him or whatever. Like Batman who's willing to kill. spider-man is the strongest hero
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scary ghost dog posted:spider-man is the strongest hero Squirrel-Girl could take him
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Jul 12, 2018 05:46
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Get outta here with your slash fic fantasies
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Jul 12, 2018 07:48
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Just a little thing I liked in Small Soldiers... 
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Jul 12, 2018 07:55
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Is that a piranha on the desk?
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Milo and POTUS posted:Is that a piranha on the desk? Yes
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There's a Twitter thread going around of small movie moments. My personal favorite, and one don't actually think I noticed when watching: https://twitter.com/cordialwombat/status/1017229921037488128 Cleretic has a new favorite as of 10:02 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:Realizing that you don't have to follow the rules is a superpower all it's own. 
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Jul 12, 2018 12:06
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Dillonface is one thing, but that colouring brings out the worst of it.
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Jul 12, 2018 12:11
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Aw man. I thought that looked a lot like Preacher. I hate Dillonface. The art in The Punisher Max made up for the thinly veiled racism. The few times they changed artists it wasn't nearly as good.
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Jul 12, 2018 12:18
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Krispy Wafer posted:The art in The Punisher Max made up for the thinly veiled racism 
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Jul 12, 2018 12:20
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I like the people who argue that Batman should be killing criminals.
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Jul 12, 2018 12:30
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I mean, technically the Punisher killed people of all creeds and religions. It's just the way representation works they seemed to show more good White people to offset the bad White people they killed and maybe not enough good minorities to balance out the bad ones. Also if the Punisher was Black the comic would not be anywhere near as popular with White teenagers and cops.
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Jul 12, 2018 12:54
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Krispy Wafer posted:Also if the Punisher was Black the comic would not be anywhere near as popular with White teenagers and cops.  Comics! They even made his logo black 
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Jul 12, 2018 13:22
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Some prominent Punisher arcs have been about murdering Klansmen, slavers and crooked cops, I'm pretty sure. Murdering bad people still makes you a murderer.
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Jul 12, 2018 13:24
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Krispy Wafer posted:I mean, technically the Punisher killed people of all creeds and religions. It's just the way representation works they seemed to show more good White people to offset the bad White people they killed and maybe not enough good minorities to balance out the bad ones. I con honestly think of more good black characters than good white characters in punisher max. On the top of my head there's Yorkie's colleague, the two black cops, the black woman from social services and the general. Meanwhile the only two prominent black villains are McGinty and Barracuda.
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Alhazred posted:I con honestly think of more good black characters than good white characters in punisher max. On the top of my head there's Yorkie's colleague, the two black cops, the black woman from social services and the general. Meanwhile the only two prominent black villains are McGinty and Barracuda. I remember the general and Yorkie's colleague and I'll have to take your word on all the others. So maybe I was the intolerant one all along.
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Jul 12, 2018 15:20
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Punisher's one of the biggest cases where most of a character's 'fans' know him from reputation and adaptations rather than the actual comics, basically. Fake geek reactionaries.
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Jul 12, 2018 15:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Punisher's one of the biggest cases where most of a character's 'fans' know him from
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All I want is Terry Crews as the happiest, most horrific villain... Barracuda. Preferably in his own series.
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