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rabidsquid posted:its not ideal but if you can get enough bar with noctis to be using his SSB often you can use full charge as a pseudo omega drive. I don't have Noct's SSB, he does Armiger Omega Drives.
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Sorry guys, looks like Torments are cancelled due to weather. Everyone pack up and head home.
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That was surreal. Somehow the new Torments won't work on my phone or my tablet, but they will work just fine on my emulator. Note the present tense there - even after walking through the cutscene and the realm-specific blurb on the emulator, the icon still won't show up on my phone. Not even entering the dungeon and waiting right outside the boss encounter fixes the problem.
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If you want to access New Torments, you have to set your phone's time zone to Tokyo time. I'm not joking.
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Fister Roboto posted:If you want to access New Torments, you have to set your phone's time zone to Tokyo time. If they're gonna put us on Japan time, they better give us Japan daily draws with that update.
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Jul 12, 2018 03:47
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 My first attempt at DWhale. Not bad considering what I had to work with. Healing wasn't as rough as I thought it would be with just Enkidu and Alma BSB, especially considering that I, like an idiot, threw away all my poison resist accessories.
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Jul 12, 2018 05:41
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Hey Google, show me the opposite of fun. *Brings up Ruby Weapon fight*
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 Type-0 time! Jack joins the cast as a Fire Samurai focus, and Ace gets a curious twist on the Brave mode USBs. Everything new is on Banner 1. Legend Materia posted:Jack LM1: PHY Damage +10% Banner 1 posted:Ace's Draconic Deck [AOSB, +10 MAG] - 20 single-target Fire magic attacks & single-target Fire Overflow magic attack Banner 2 posted:King's Outsiders [USB, +10 ATK] - 12 single-target Lightning/NE ranged physical attacks, En-Lightning, ATK & DEF +30% and Machinist Ability Double to user Hogama fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Ace BUSB seems good. It’s an odd one for sure but we can break it down to parts. Enfire Damage boost ”Three uses of a 4 hit chase” and Quickcast 2 Five turns seems about as much as you’d get from an EX mode anyway. The +blk is better than +mag boosts. Then it has the heal on top. Heal’s good too, kind of a weird choice since you’d like to run him in a party of mages and most of his other stuff screams front row. This one doesn’t. It’s not super pushed but seems a bit better than our current stuff. Jack’s is just a Decil clone in fire it seems. Not into it, lacks the glint to reapply bubble though admittably you don’t hurt yourself with samurai skills. Rem USB2 is revolting Deuce USB2 is great RS healing but nothing special in 2018 thanks for the fire relics DeNA. Thanks for the JP relic posts Hogama, this time without sarcasm.
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Neutral Zone Trap posted:Jack’s is just a Decil clone in fire it seems. Not into it, lacks the glint to reapply bubble though admittably you don’t hurt yourself with samurai skills. Deuce USB2 is just a clone of Ovelia USB, albeit on a character with Doublecast White LM2. It's not quite top tier now and in six months it'll basically be "good" instead of great. Definitely not a bad choice with her LMR, though, since you can alternate USB2+BSB. Rem USB2 is trash what the gently caress. Why the gently caress does DeNA keep trying to push reraise. Jack USB is pretty obviously intended to lead into his LM2 and trigger the trance mode, but that gimmick sure as hell won't work on high-end bosses looking to poo poo out damage, and unlike Machina, he doesn't even have a lovely backup source of stoneskin to MAYBE keep running. Fire Flametasy Refried Kindling. Who cares about other elements, we need more Fire and Wind and Holy. fridge corn posted:Struggling to stay interested in this game This is the path of all gacha games, hemorrhaging players as they start to travel deep into their own assholes in a frantic attempt to lure in bigger whales.
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KataraniSword posted:This is the path of all gacha games, hemorrhaging players as they start to travel deep into their own assholes in a frantic attempt to lure in bigger whales. I do have to wonder if they'd make more doing once-monthly 500-gem-with-choice banners. Personally speaking the price point of 11 pulls is just way too high. Like five times what I'd consider reasonable. I'm sure there's reams and reams of market analysis at work trying to find the sweet spot where the multiplier of "people buying" intersects "price" with the maximum result, but I'm also thoroughly unconvinced this is it.
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KataraniSword posted:This is the path of all gacha games, hemorrhaging players as they start to travel deep into their own assholes in a frantic attempt to lure in bigger whales. Also it would be cool to see some (some) of these design concepts iterated and thoroughly polished into a standalone product, but I doubt that's financially viable. NGDBSS fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Jul 12, 2018 11:02
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NGDBSS posted:How long do most gacha games last? Or, to speak more generally, how long do most free-to-play games last? Currently FFRK is at three years, and having never given a care about the market before I dunno where that is in the standard life cycle. (I also used to play Warframe several years ago, and while that's still going very strong I assume it's a fortunate aberration for Digital Extremes.) Most last two years or less, but that's because the market is absolutely flooded with them and most aren't very good. Square-Enix has experience failing miserably at mobile games (America may not have ever heard of Final Fantasy Tactics S or Pictologica Final Fantasy, but they sure as hell heard about All The Bravest and Justice Monsters 5, and technically Heavenstrike Heroes came out over here, too) so they've more or less refined their design/sales techniques for the long haul with the Record Keeper/Brave Exvius/Mobius trifecta. Puzzle and Dragons is probably the oldest-living gacha around and it's only from 2012; some particularly evergreen longrunners like Granblue Fantasy, Brave Frontier, and Summoner's War are from 2013-2014, though at least the latter two of those are basically limping along at this point and may not be keeping afloat much longer. Unfortunately, FFRK has limitations that PAD doesn't - it has to try to stick to the "feeling" of Final Fantasy, which means capping out players at Lv99, using mostly familiar spells/SBs, and minimizing promotional crossovers. I don't know my optimism about it lasting to 2020 as a gacha. That's not to say I'm not optimistic about its chances of survival, quite the opposite - I'm kind of seeing Record Dungeons as being the direction they're trying to take the game in for a possible future "completed" release sort of like Final Fantasy Dimensions 2 had. I'd sure as hell pay for a game that let me just build teams through record dungeons in ways that were more like puzzles and less like DPS races. MarquiseMindfang posted:I do have to wonder if they'd make more doing once-monthly 500-gem-with-choice banners. Personally speaking the price point of 11 pulls is just way too high. Like five times what I'd consider reasonable. The reason the whale terminology came around is because of the sheer, absurdist scope of how much some people spend on f2p gacha games. Some people need to not just have every item on every banner, but need to have it maxed out, at its highest rarity, and have to have their entire teams maxed out too, and so forth. There are people who pay five digits worth of money on mobile games a month. You'd need to get ten thousand people paying $5 to match the power of luring in that one person foolish enough to blow $50k a month. A lot of companies focus less on optimizing profits - which is something PAD has managed to find the sweet spot of quite effectively, I might note - and more about minimizing effort for maximum gain. Why work ten times as hard to get two times as much money?
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KataraniSword posted:The reason the whale terminology came around is because of the sheer, absurdist scope of how much some people spend on f2p gacha games. Some people need to not just have every item on every banner, but need to have it maxed out, at its highest rarity, and have to have their entire teams maxed out too, and so forth. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit mobile game dev monetisation strategies are something I firmly abjured learning about because I was adamant that I didn't want to develop that kind of game.
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Here's what I'm throwing at the FFT Torment I scored the TGC kit during the fest so that's obviously fantastic I did a full LD on Delita after getting his BSB and USB cause I thought it would be a good idea for magicite. It wasn't, but it might work well here. Has +Lightning boost on realm sword and armor, which is nice The bad news is I don't have a healer burst here but I have Alma's USB, which is perfectly fine to get the fight started. The astra blocks the first Slow; can't imagine reraise doing a lot here. I've got a few options with Ramza. I could use his BSB2 with CMD1, just straight support/entrust or wrathing up his USB for instant casts I went with Gaffgarion with his USB because his chase is a drain and healing is gonna be a problem, the en-dark with help a lot and I put him in the 5th slot since he gets doomed immediately and that pairs well with Reaping Scythe. I had 2 poison resist accessories and bought a third from the Gyshal Shop so it looks like I missed/trashed one along the way
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So last night with a bit of remembering things I'd read and things I have I realised I had a great potential setup. Basically Relm BSB and then get Vivi and Terra to blow themselves up into Trance. Hidon got entirely hosed and I want to try this out against Sealion I think Had five torments left in the end. One of those is XIII so it doesn't count because gently caress Barthandelus. Who's idea was that, it'd be like having the IV Torment be Rubicant
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Philouza posted:Here's what I'm throwing at the FFT Torment a heads up that just to see what all the fuss about i gave the first floor of the new torment a shot, with roughly the same party composition/equipment and made it through under 30 seconds but feel like i probably wouldn't be able to do the second floor. the lack of an actual group heal on alma's usb meant the constant group magic attacks were just outpacing what i could put out with single curadas, and i assume that gets worse on the next difficulty and up. i'm not going to bother trying though because i'm lazy, maybe you'll blow it away!
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Philouza posted:I went with Gaffgarion with his USB because his chase is a drain and healing is gonna be a problem, the en-dark with help a lot and I put him in the 5th slot since he gets doomed immediately and that pairs well with Reaping Scythe. i just use crimson cross. the chase easily heals the self-damage with hp to spare.
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ah i didn't read the part about how gafgarrion has a self heal either, i didn't have that with me. edit: also i don't have magicites so that's probably important too Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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fridge corn posted:Struggling to stay interested in this game Take a break and come back in a month or two, or maybe not at all. It's just a mobile gacha game 
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Prav posted:i just use crimson cross. the chase easily heals the self-damage with hp to spare. I normally would but I honed up Reaping Scythe for TGC to murder holy magicites and not himself Edit: Oh also I'm dumb and I just realized that Dread Weapon is 4 hits...I thought it was two Philouza fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jul 12, 2018 |
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Philouza posted:I normally would but I honed up Reaping Scythe for TGC to murder holy magicites and not himself Physical darkness abilities are really cool in that they have a really nice gradient on how risky you want to play. You've got Dread Weapon for maximum defensiveness, then Reaping Scythe which is neutral but does a little more damage (with the downside that you need to have a source of doom), then Sanguine Cross for a little more damage at the cost of a little HP, then Crimson Cross for maximum risk/reward. Dwindling Spirit and Mark of Darkness are garbage though.
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i've got r3 sanguine and crimson and r1 of the others. y'all darknessing wrong
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i've got shadow's usb so all my darkness comes from ancestral reflection and shadow embodied
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there's one I have to remember not to put on Cid otherwise he kills himself with it really fast when he's usbing
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I'm gonna need to level about 60 people to do these torments. How often do we get new ones? I take it these are permanent.
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How does the realm chain interact with regular chains? And any thoughts how punishing briging one or two non-syhergy chars would be for the second difficulty? First one was easy but not getting anywhere on the second sticking with tactics - Alma alone just can’t heal enough even with bsb.
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You can only have one chain active at a time. https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/8tqjdm/tyranny_of_the_impure_fft_torment_dungeon/ <--exact numbers for torment synergy For D280 you can get by with 1 or 2 non-realm characters. For DWhale you absolutely need a full realm party though.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:I'm gonna need to level about 60 people to do these torments. Twice a month. In order so far: Tactics - Cúchulainn V - Gilgamesh XII - Zodiark VII - JENOVA Synthesis VI - Wrexsoul VIII - Gerogero IV - Calcabrina XIII - Dahaka XV - Deadeye X - Yunalesca XIV - Ultima Weapon IX - Meltigemini III - Ahriman Type-0 - Nox Suzaku Just I, II, and XI left. XI should be next in Japan as they're getting an event early August.
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I wonder how far I could get with just Ramza endlessly Entrusting TGC his USB.
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Jul 12, 2018 20:07
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Did Discord die really hard just now? EDIT: To keep this in topic, I'm actually considering diving MARACH for a clear on DWhale Nutorment. This is dead real.
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Jul 12, 2018 20:16
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pichupal posted:VIII - Gerogero that seems like an odd choice
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Parasol Waddle Dee posted:Did Discord die really hard just now? That sounds good. Exactly the reason for a legend dive - to help you clear something you otherwise wouldn't be able to. If you want to beat that content and diving Marach gets you there, go for it. The more common legend dive criteria of "have good relic, will dive" is a good place to start but I'd look at the bigger picture to avoid eventually having fifteen dived fire users.
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Cowcaster posted:a heads up that just to see what all the fuss about i gave the first floor of the new torment a shot, with roughly the same party composition/equipment and made it through under 30 seconds but feel like i probably wouldn't be able to do the second floor. the lack of an actual group heal on alma's usb meant the constant group magic attacks were just outpacing what i could put out with single curadas, and i assume that gets worse on the next difficulty and up. i'm not going to bother trying though because i'm lazy, maybe you'll blow it away! I ended up blowing D280 away in 22 seconds. For healing, I also had Enkidu as my main magicite, which was needed after either the gravity or dark magic attack, can't remember which it was. It makes a huge difference to speed through the phases and skip the AOE slow attack Excited to grab a new 6* ability, probably going with the Fire-Earth spellblade since lightning is the first 5* magicite and Bartz likes both of those elements.
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One thing I thought of while working on DWhale: you really need to think about your damage per ability use, rather than just damage per turn. The main limiting factor for actually beating the fight is going to be ability uses, so you need to make sure you're getting the best bang for your buck. Here's an example: I'm doing a fire team because I have Mustadio and Delita's USBs. For my third character I'm bringing Orlandeau, but what abilities should I give him? My options for fire are either Blazing Quadstrike (3.20 potency) or Warring Flame (3.00 potency, +50% crit with retaliate, so 3.75 potency on average). At first glance it looks like I'd want Warring Flame, but to get the crit bonus I'd need some way of getting retaliate status (Smoldering Moon, 2.00 potency). So if I had one copy of WF with 6 uses and one copy of SM with 6 uses, I'd have a total of 34.5 potency on average. But if I instead had two copies of BQ with 6 uses each, I'd have 38.4. Blazing Quadstrike wins, unless I can end the fight before I run out of hones (not likely). e: you'd also only get a total of 36 hits out of WF+SM, while 2xBQ would get you 48. That's important for the realm chain. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Some good news for the A++ Elmdore fight is that his Ultimate Blinding Darkness doesn't remove Wall. While it is a -DEF/-RES AoE, it applies each debuff separately (as status IDs 604 and 607, respectively) rather than as a group (as status ID 608, more commonly Wall). So with that I managed to shove out a CM win...even if it did involve returning to that old cheesing strategy of hit-and-run. At least doing so gave me the leeway to dump SB gauge into Lettie and Celia so I wasn't facing a relentless pile of AoEs and status effects before smacking Elmdore himself. (My only FFT medica is Ovelia SSB - the very first realm medica I got.)
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MarquiseMindfang posted:I wonder how far I could get with just Ramza endlessly Entrusting TGC his USB. I was curious too, and the answer is not far at all. I had Ramza and Meliadoul entrusting, Alma and Ovelia healing, and TGC OSB, USB, and Guardbringing when he didn't have gauge. I was at high health and slowly chipping away at him, but then the DPS check at the end of a phase that auto kills your party happened. Maybe I could be a bit more efficient, but I don't think you can do enough damage with just TGC fast enough to skip all of them. Maybe you could get to 50% this way, maybe. Just thinking about it though, this guy has 2 million HP, so that's at least 20 OSBs. USBs were doing like 40k damage, but you need his EX mode to get the OSBs capping, so 25-30ish soul breaks: I think we are finally at the stage where you can't cheese stuff with solo DPS.
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I got the second fight to the 60% mark with Orleandu osb, and support, might be able to last longer with poison res accesories but for damage I’d probably need Orleandu usb or something - strange that isn’t on our current tactics banners. Should I keep red gems for abilies? Cause I still need some bard motes too but noone seems to know when we’ll get more naturally.
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